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11th June 2015, 07:37 AM | #41 |
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11th June 2015, 08:39 AM | #43 |
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Haha, I feel much better about this now:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...&postcount=479 Because this: http://www.internationalskeptics.com...3&postcount=29 I guess we both need to be more explicit when posting comical links |
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11th June 2015, 09:01 AM | #45 |
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11th June 2015, 10:10 AM | #48 |
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I don't think it's about marriage per se, but about creating a precedent by officially approving a deviation from the norm. They're afraid that when they're forced to give gay people equal rights, other groups will demand their rights too, and monogamous heterosexual marriage will no longer be the (only) norm. And being forced to question your own identity scares people, so they'd rather keep the status quo and avoid that.
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I would have no issue it Stella stopped brewing right now.
It would be a stupid decision, but since I don't drink lagers it affects me not a jot. Much the same way that SSM doesn't affect me and I don't care of same sex people choose to marry or not - I won't stop people from drinking lager and I won't stop adults from getting married. |
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11th June 2015, 03:57 PM | #56 |
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Redefinition is the usual excuse made. Once you "redefine" marriage, all bets are off, especially if you first redefine redefinition. It does not even have to be marriage. During the civil union debate here in Vermont there were people convinced that the consequence of civil unions would be that people could marry their cats. Mee-owch!
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Since my state redefined marriage a couple of years ago, I decided I should plural marriage our cats for tax purposes. They said no.
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Sounds like they're looking for an excuse, to me.
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"to have and to hold, from this day forward, for better, for worse, for richer, for poorer, in sickness and in health, until death do us part.............................................. ... Or those god darn gay people can get married and then your a gonner"
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Nicely stated. That person is in an unenviably difficult position.
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This couple is in Australia? What are the laws governing divorce there? I think I saw something about Australia having some pretty stringent rules that would basically make it not possible for this couple to get divorced without perjuring themselves. You can't have lived together in twelve months, you have to say that the marriage is completely severed, etc. This guy, Nick, has stated that they would continue to live together, attempt to have children together, etc. If the laws are what I'm thinking, there's really no way they'll be able to actually get divorced... ammiright?
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I feel for Soren's predicament. It must not be easy to, on the one hand, love your brother and on the other hand, see him pull such a stupid stunt and see it backfire enormously. Overall, a well-written piece, but I have a couple of criticisms.
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And if you read the comments section, where Soren has also responded to reactions, it becomes clear that Nick in his discussions with his brother has used the canard that marriage is somehow a Christian invention, and that Soren has fallen for that lie. Lastly, what the Mutha said: Nick's divorce threat is an empty threat. With his open letter, he'll have a really hard time to argue before a judge that his marriage is severed. I think you can argue that someone who makes such an empty threat he cannot enforce is indeed a loony or a religious nut. |
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12th June 2015, 10:28 AM | #69 |
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In thinking about this, I have warmed to the idea that Nick should divorce, and thus loose the civil benefits of legal marriage that he and his family have had. The state may save some money, and he may begin to realize, through his own lose, why gays are requesting equal access to civil marriage. I gather that his wife is on board, and so I only feel sorry for his kids (although in most divorces, I gather that both ex's will be still recognized as legal parents of the kids. For gays never legally married, this legal recognition of parental rights can be much more difficult).
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12th June 2015, 01:34 PM | #71 |
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The argument is also inane and totally irrelevant. If the government opens up marriage to gay couples, it changes nothing in the rights and obligations that Nick and his wife have under the law.
Now, if the government would, say, abolish tax breaks for married couples, then he'd have a point that the government does not hold up their end of the bargain they agreed to. Or if the government set up an agency that helps collecting child support after a divorce (such an agency exists nowadays in the Netherlands, and I've not heard anyone protesting that the government broke their contract). Australia's Family Law Act 1975 is very explicit on the grounds for divorce:. Article 48:
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This does appear to be the basis for much of the anti-Gay, ant-SSM rhetoric: we must have laws against it because otherwise young straight children will be recruited into it, straight marriages would fall apart, and the birth rate would drop to zero. Sometimes I am not certain if these groups are not actually advertising gay sex. Why not just restate these arguments into their essence: "Try gay sex and you will never do straight sex again!" Otherwise, why is it such a fearsome thing? (although I suspect that these anti-gay organizations are also worried that God might accidently strike them dead too in a misfire directed at the gays; look at what he did to Louisiana!).
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To be fair, terrible things happened when Canada legalized gay marriage: http://www.somethingpositive.net/sp05162004.shtml |
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Kill their children over gay adoption?
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