Continuation The Electric Comet Theory Boogaloo (Part 2)

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W.T."Tom" Bridgman did the science almost a year ago: Electric Comets III: Mass vs. Charge
The potential on the Rosetta spacecraft was estimated to be of the order of 35 gigavolts.
The measured potential is ~10 V :eek:


Yep, Tom did the calculation, but didn't have the figures to plug into it at that stage, as we didn't know the charge on the spacecraft. That was eventually reported as ~ -5 to -10V.
Then a chap called Harvey, (Prof. Harvey Rutt), unaware of Tom's previous work, worked it out on the Rosetta blog in answer to the usual pseudoscientific ravings of one of the educationally challenged on there.
He came up with the 35 gigavolt charge that would need to be on the comet, if electrostatic repulsion were to cancel out gravity. I posted it months ago, but no harm in seeing it again:

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Anything on the RPC-LAP instrument at the next AGU?

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Of course, because that is my poster, though I have changed the title, because of the submitted paper "Mass-loading, pile-up, and mirror-mode waves at comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko". The poster title was submitted before I knew what was going on in the solar wind :-)

I reckon the talk on the RPC-LAP instrument would be the highlight!!

There is no LAP talk only the posters that RC listed.
The only RPC talk is by Charlotte on the diamagnetic cavity, which is mainly MAG.
 
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Of course, because that is my poster, though I have changed the title, because of the submitted paper "Mass-loading, pile-up, and mirror-mode waves at comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko". The poster title was submitted before I knew what was going on in the solar wind :-)



There is no LAP talk only the posters that RC listed.
The only RPC talk is by Charlotte on the diamagnetic cavity, which is mainly MAG.

Bummer, would have been good.

Sorry to hear mate.
 
Why would we think that you would attempt to understand this instrument, Sol88, when you have a track record of denying and lying about science in this thread?
I suspect you are looking for fodder for your delusions that comets are rocks and electrical.

SNiped

ETA: RPC-LAP instrument

So it looks like Sol88 has picked this instrument because of "weak electric currents".

That's the mainstream assumption. :rolleyes: the electric current are there but "weak" :blush:

Is the data publicly available yet, Tusenfem?
 
Sol88 - do you think that this basic physics about plasma is about your delusions that comets are rocks and electrical?
That highlighted quote "A Langmuir probe is a device to measure weak electric currents flowing between the spacecraft and the surrounding space. "Empty space" is never empty: it always contains a tenuous gas of electrically charged particles, known as a plasma." needs a
:dl:
And citing the Plasma parameters from the Rosetta LAP instrument PDF might need another! Once again science that is not your delusions that comets are rocks and electrical.

ETA: But this may be science that debunks one of your delusions. You advocate the Thunderbolts cult dogma which includes the delusion that multiple techniques of measuring comet density are magically wrong because of their fantasies about electric fields. One of the Thunderbolts delusions (and so yours) is that charging of the Rosetta spacecraft changed its apparent mass many-fold through electrostatic forces. And the RPC-LAP instrument has measured the Rosetta spacecraft voltage! Of course the Thunderbolts cult is too ignorant and lazy to turn this into actual science.
W.T."Tom" Bridgman did the science almost a year ago: Electric Comets III: Mass vs. Charge
The potential on the Rosetta spacecraft was estimated to be of the order of 35 gigavolts.
The measured potential is ~10 V :eek:



:bs: Off the clock!
 
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May well be. There won't be anything in it for EU to get excited about, though.
I think Tusenfem will know all about those results, and if there were something to confirm EU fantasies (despite all the evidence so far to the contrary), he would probably be rather sheepish right about now!
Seems to be his normal self!

ETA:
You obviously didn't read RCs posts above from the upcoming meeting. Nor this from back in April:
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2015EGUGA..17.7157E

The plasma density is hence not determined by the solar wind, but by the outgassing from the comet.

and there ladies and gentlemen is the vinegar stroke!!!

So MY PREDICTION, all phenomena on a comet will be plasma/electrical/magnetic but the dirtysnowball mob will doggedly hold onto "ice's" sublimating as the cause of the "outgassing". :rolleyes:

When and if the data from OSIRIS and the RPC is released to the public
Instead of the LATEST data
Be aware that RPCLAP AST2 (Lutetia Flyby) data are still under review and need to be used with caution.
...well, jigs up ay! :)
 
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The other kicker will be

The Activity of Comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko as Seen by Rosetta/OSIRIS


The Rosetta mission of the European Space Agency arrived on August 6, 2014, at the target comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko. OSIRIS (Optical, Spectroscopic, and Infrared Remote Imaging System) is the scientific imaging system onboard Rosetta. OSIRIS consists of a Narrow Angle Camera (NAC) for the nucleus surface and dust studies and a Wide Angle Camera (WAC) for the wide field gas and dust coma investigations.

OSIRIS observed the coma and the nucleus of comet 67P/C-G during approach, arrival, and landing of PHILAE. OSIRIS continued comet monitoring and mapping of surface and activity in 2015 with close fly-bys with high resolution and remote, wide angle observations.

The scientific results reveal a nucleus with two lobes and varied morphology. Active regions are located at steep cliffs and collapsed pits which form collimated gas jets. Dust is accelerated by the gas, forming bright jet filaments and the large scale, diffuse coma of the comet. We will present activity and surface changes observed in the Northern and Southern hemisphere and around perihelion passage.

Pressure's on Holger Sierks, worlds watching!

Are you going to show a video/time lapse of the
Active regions are located at steep cliffs and collapsed pits
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That's the mainstream assumption. :rolleyes: the electric current are there but "weak"

Is the data publicly available yet, Tusenfem?

PSA/PDS

In my case there are supposed current sheets with a current of up to 10 nA/m2.
 
and there ladies and gentlemen is the vinegar stroke!!!

So MY PREDICTION, all phenomena on a comet will be plasma/electrical/magnetic but the dirtysnowball mob will doggedly hold onto "ice's" sublimating as the cause of the "outgassing".

When and if the data from OSIRIS and the RPC is released to the public Instead of the LATEST data ...well, jigs up ay!

what the frak is a vinegar stroke?
yeah, bold prediction
RPC data is available, so deal with it, you actually posted it here, or did you forget about that?
And what Sol does not say is that the Lutetia message is just a message to be careful with that set of data. If he would have looked further he would have found that the LAP data for at least up to dec 2014 are on the server ....
 
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what the frak is a vinegar stroke?
yeah, bold prediction
RPC data is available, so deal with it, you actually posted it here, or did you forget about that?
And what Sol does not say is that the Lutetia message is just a message to be careful with that set of data. If he would have looked further he would have found that the LAP data for at least up to dec 2014 are on the server ....

Google images is your friend Tusenfem. :thumbsup:
 
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he vacuum chamber is preliminarily filled with the Ar or Kr gas, and then the initial plasma is produced by the‚-discharge with strong preionization. The pulsed voltage excites the plasma current jy aligned with the X-line.
The dependence of the total plasma current on time is
approximately sinusoidal, with amplitude of 50kA and a half-period ??math formula??

The magnetic fields produced by
plasma currents are studied using three-component magnetic probes

See
any hints on the MAG data to tie in with the above?

Infra-red and UV radiation can do that to sublimating "ice" and entrained collimated "Dust"???
 
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Yep, Tom did the calculation, but didn't have the figures to plug into it at that stage, as we didn't know the charge on the spacecraft. That was eventually reported as ~ -5 to -10V.
Then a chap called Harvey, (Prof. Harvey Rutt), unaware of Tom's previous work, worked it out on the Rosetta blog in answer to the usual pseudoscientific ravings of one of the educationally challenged on there.
He came up with the 35 gigavolt charge that would need to be on the comet, if electrostatic repulsion were to cancel out gravity. I posted it months ago, but no harm in seeing it again:

[qimg]http://i64.tinypic.com/apgz0j.jpg[/qimg]

Results of our comparison of Cluster
observations with laboratory experiments demonstrate the
new way of investigation of these important space struc-
tures having rather scarce database due to measurement
difficulties in the magnetotail.

and Tom Bridgeman was prepared to call it???
 
@Tusenfem,
A cometary current system including plasma tail streamers separated by a neutral current sheet, with a total current exceeding 108A,[7]

Going to hold any water, remembering of course Earth's a fair bit bigger than a weakly active comet such 67P?

P.S

You must be bursting at the seams! ;)

Oh well, just a few more weeks.
 
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Interaction with interplanetary medium

[*]Immersed in the plasma of the interplanetary medium, a comet may be associated with:

[*] Electrostatic charging of the comet nucleus,[3] and, charging of the dust,[4] resulting in levitation of dust from the comet surface,[4]
[*] Coagulation of grains with opposite potentials,[5] and the opposite process, disruption (break-up) of grains with high potentials,[4]
[*] Plasma instabilities in the tail,[4]
[*] Folding of the interplanetary magnetic field into the tail of the comet (Alfvén's "folding umbrella" hydromagnetic model, 1957)[6] [7]
[*] A cometary current system including plasma tail streamers separated by a neutral current sheet, with a total current exceeding 108A,[7]
[*] A shock-ionopause current system, a tail current system, and a field-aligned auroral current system,[2]
[*] The flow of such field-aligned currents leading to the generation of strong localized field-aligned electric fields (double layers),[2] [8]
[*] Acceleration of electrons to keV energies in such double layers would lead to the observed enhanced fluxes of suprathermal electrons.[2]
[*] Production of X-rays (e.g. such as those detected from Comet Hyakutake,[9][10][11] confirming the presence of Birkeland currents (field-align currents),[12]
[*] Jets, such as those produced and modelled by Kristian Birkeland's theory,[13]
[*] The generation of magnetic fields and electric currents in cometary plasma tails, up to a billion Amps, [14] first proposed by Alfvén in 1957,[6] and "strikingly established during the crossing of the plasma tail of Comet Giacobini—Zinner by the ICE spacecraft on September 11, 1985 (Smith et al., 1986)"[15] [7]
[*] Currents in the cometary atmosphere,[16]
[*] Outbursts from the comet nucleus resulting form macroscopic electric double layers,[17]
[*] The origin of comet striae (banding) in dust tails,[18]
[*] Inner coma cometary plasma formation by the critical ionization velocity mechanism,[19] [20]
[*] Filamentary structure in comet tails interpreted as evidence of field-aligned currents (Birkeland currents),[7]
[*] A "cometary aurora" due to "current discharges into the atmosphere from the tail"[21]
[*] Possible ionization of the inner coma due to cross-tail currents closing through the cometary head.[22]

[*]In 2004, NASA's Stardust spacecraft on a mission to comet Wild 2 (pronounced "Vilt 2"), "found 20 jets, on both the sunlit side of the comet and, surprisingly, the dark side".[23][24]
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wonder how'll the above statements will stack up against Fall AGU meeting paper releases?
 
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