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Please show us where the EU predicted and explained the singing comet.
Your scientific ignorance is staggering.
Continuation The Electric Comet Theory Boogaloo (Part 2)
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Please show us where the EU predicted and explained the singing comet.
Your scientific ignorance is staggering.
The Electric Comet predictions are "so far so good" ...and the 67P data is giving much more ... how is your lot doing in predictions? 
Predictions on “Deep Impact” Jul 04, 2005
The Electric Comet by Wallace Thornhill and David Talbott 2006
Evidence Confirms Electric Comet Model 03/01/08
The Electric Comet: The Elephant in NASA's Living Room? by Michael Goodspeed June 29, 2011
Predictions on “Deep Impact” Jul 04, 2005
The Electric Comet by Wallace Thornhill and David Talbott 2006
Evidence Confirms Electric Comet Model 03/01/08
The Electric Comet: The Elephant in NASA's Living Room? by Michael Goodspeed June 29, 2011
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If gravitational waves making spacetime ripple,, are not found, does that falsify Einstein GR + SR???
Would it, Sol? I'll bet you could answer that question yourself because, fortunately for you, it requires no knowledge of science! Alas, you will have to step out of the logic-free EU bubble. Bonus points if you can tell us which theory, GR or SR, you mentioned in error.
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Actually quite easy to do with the flat business card type refrigerator magnets, as they have alternating north south stripes. Just put two back to back so the stripes run parallel and slide them across each other perpendicular to the stripes. The alternating resist then slip to that motion is the field lines between magnetic stripes reconnecting.
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and stick a conductor inbeteen, like Io, and it genertate electricity!
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Does it matter? it's all just a mathamatical construct and has no bearing on reality!
My prediction, they (the mainstream) will find NO rippleing spacetime!
You read it hear first
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Comets
Comet nuclei charge electrostatically.[37]
Comet dust charges electrostatically causing it to levitate from the comet surface.[38]
Cometary current system: plasma tail streamers separated by a neutral current sheet, has a total current exceeding 108A.[39]
Cometary plasma tails, generate magnetic fields and electric currents of up to a billion Amp.[40]
Cometary atmosphere feature electric currents.[41]
Cometary aurora due to "current discharges into the atmosphere from the tail.[42]
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no need, just use your bicycle dynamo
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First of all, Sol, I asked you "Please show us where the EU predicted and explained the singing comet.", and then you answer me with a simplistic listing from the electricuniverse site, which has nothing about any EU predictions, only some, mostly misinterpreted, one-line claims. Let's go through them, shall we?
Comets
Well don't believe everything that Ian writes down on his website. Some of the finer points of the abstracts (and possibly the full papers) seem to be lost in his simplified listing about "Extraterrestrial (cosmic) electricity" / Comets.
Comet nuclei charge electrostatically.[37]
Yes, they can have an electrostatic charge, even opposite signs depending on which side of the comet you are. And to quote the abstract of the paper [37] "It is shown that beyond a heliocentric distance of about 5 AU, a water-dominated cometary nucleus is not shielded from either solar UV radiation or the solar wind by a protective atmosphere. As a result, the nuclear surface gets electrically charged, the surface electric potential varying from small positive values near the subsolar point through numerically moderately large negative values near the terminator to numerically very large values on the dark side.
We are well beyond that stage with 67P/CG. Sometimes it helps reading up the stuff that you link to.
Comet dust charges electrostatically causing it to levitate from the comet surface.[38]
Yes, that may happen when the surface is charged, but see comment above, by the same author.
Cometary current system: plasma tail streamers separated by a neutral current sheet, has a total current exceeding 10^8A.[39]
What the total current may or may not be is unimportant, because that is dependent on how big the structure is. It may seem a lot 10^8 A, but it is the current density that is important to see whether it is big or not. Anyway, that current must exist, because it is between a region of oppositely directed magnetic field, just like in the Earth's magnetotail.
Cometary plasma tails, generate magnetic fields and electric currents of up to a billion Amp.[40]
No, that is NOT what the paper says. Cometary plasma tails DO NOT generate magnetic field, the plasma (or better ion) tail is made of magnetic field that is draped around the comet. To quote the abstract: Due to the folding of the interplanetary magnetic field into the tail as a comet sweeps through the interplanetary medium, the magnetic field in the tail can be built up to the order of 100 gammas at a heliocentric distance of about 1 AU. This folding of magnetic flux tubes also results in a cross-tail electric current passing through a neutral sheet. Then it starts to discuss about "streams of enhanced plasma density" but as I do not have access to this paper I cannot further discuss this, but the abstract is at least vague about what is being proposed.
Cometary atmosphere feature electric currents.[41]
This paper discussed a kind of "substorm" at currents. I would not have called it "atmosphere" but rather "magnetosphere". If a current (the cross tail current) gets disrupted the current needs to find another, usually field aligned, path to close itself again. This may happen in the case of a tail detachment event.
Cometary aurora due to "current discharges into the atmosphere from the tail.[42]
Don't think you will see northern lights on a comet. Indeed, the Houpis & Mendis (1981) paper says "cometary aurora" what is meant here is an enhanced ionization rate near the comet, driven by currents. Normally, aurora is the excitation of molecules, which return to ground state emitting a photon. So, although it is a nice term, it has nothing to do with planetary aurora as we know them.
Comets
Well don't believe everything that Ian writes down on his website. Some of the finer points of the abstracts (and possibly the full papers) seem to be lost in his simplified listing about "Extraterrestrial (cosmic) electricity" / Comets.
Comet nuclei charge electrostatically.[37]
Yes, they can have an electrostatic charge, even opposite signs depending on which side of the comet you are. And to quote the abstract of the paper [37] "It is shown that beyond a heliocentric distance of about 5 AU, a water-dominated cometary nucleus is not shielded from either solar UV radiation or the solar wind by a protective atmosphere. As a result, the nuclear surface gets electrically charged, the surface electric potential varying from small positive values near the subsolar point through numerically moderately large negative values near the terminator to numerically very large values on the dark side.
We are well beyond that stage with 67P/CG. Sometimes it helps reading up the stuff that you link to.
Comet dust charges electrostatically causing it to levitate from the comet surface.[38]
Yes, that may happen when the surface is charged, but see comment above, by the same author.
Cometary current system: plasma tail streamers separated by a neutral current sheet, has a total current exceeding 10^8A.[39]
What the total current may or may not be is unimportant, because that is dependent on how big the structure is. It may seem a lot 10^8 A, but it is the current density that is important to see whether it is big or not. Anyway, that current must exist, because it is between a region of oppositely directed magnetic field, just like in the Earth's magnetotail.
Cometary plasma tails, generate magnetic fields and electric currents of up to a billion Amp.[40]
No, that is NOT what the paper says. Cometary plasma tails DO NOT generate magnetic field, the plasma (or better ion) tail is made of magnetic field that is draped around the comet. To quote the abstract: Due to the folding of the interplanetary magnetic field into the tail as a comet sweeps through the interplanetary medium, the magnetic field in the tail can be built up to the order of 100 gammas at a heliocentric distance of about 1 AU. This folding of magnetic flux tubes also results in a cross-tail electric current passing through a neutral sheet. Then it starts to discuss about "streams of enhanced plasma density" but as I do not have access to this paper I cannot further discuss this, but the abstract is at least vague about what is being proposed.
Cometary atmosphere feature electric currents.[41]
This paper discussed a kind of "substorm" at currents. I would not have called it "atmosphere" but rather "magnetosphere". If a current (the cross tail current) gets disrupted the current needs to find another, usually field aligned, path to close itself again. This may happen in the case of a tail detachment event.
Cometary aurora due to "current discharges into the atmosphere from the tail.[42]
Don't think you will see northern lights on a comet. Indeed, the Houpis & Mendis (1981) paper says "cometary aurora" what is meant here is an enhanced ionization rate near the comet, driven by currents. Normally, aurora is the excitation of molecules, which return to ground state emitting a photon. So, although it is a nice term, it has nothing to do with planetary aurora as we know them.
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Sol88: Repeated delusion about comets being the Moon
Solar Wind Proton Interactions with Lunar Magnetic Anomalies and Regolith)PDF)
8 December 2015 Sol88: Repeats his delusion about comets being the Moon!
"1.2.3 Comet-type interaction" is a description of the solar wind interacting with sublimated gases from the comet nucleus.
Seems your delusions about science and comet's being rocks persists and just get bigger and bigger, Sol88.
Solar Wind Proton Interactions with Lunar Magnetic Anomalies and Regolith)PDF)
8 December 2015 Sol88: Repeats his delusion about comets being the Moon!
"1.2.3 Comet-type interaction" is a description of the solar wind interacting with sublimated gases from the comet nucleus.
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Sol88: Parrots the deluded neo-Velikovsky electric universe woo
And lies about it - the electric universe is fairy stores abut everything being connected by electric magic because they are stupid enough to think that universe obey myths and religious texts
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8 December 2015 Sol88: Lies about a paper - the only mention of comets is as a source of lunar water and other volatiles through impacts.
The Lunar Dusty Exosphere: The Extreme Case of an Inner Planetary Atmosphere (PDF) is an white paper about the lunar surface.
8 December 2015 Sol88: Mindlessly parrots the deluded neo-Velikovsky electric universe woo.
And lies about it - the electric universe is fairy stores abut everything being connected by electric magic because they are stupid enough to think that universe obey myths and religious texts
.8 December 2015 Sol88: Lies about a paper - the only mention of comets is as a source of lunar water and other volatiles through impacts.
The Lunar Dusty Exosphere: The Extreme Case of an Inner Planetary Atmosphere (PDF) is an white paper about the lunar surface.
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Sol88: An insult as a response to Lukraak_Sisser pointing out the obvious
The quoted section describes the interaction of a comet with the solar wind - not your delusions about comets, Sol88.
8 December 2015 Sol88: An insult as a response to Lukraak_Sisser pointing out the obvious fact that a cited paper is not about Sol88's EU delusion.
The quoted section describes the interaction of a comet with the solar wind - not your delusions about comets, Sol88.
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Sol88: An inane demand that scientists produce specific images.
8 December 2015 Sol88: An inane demand that scientists produce specific images.
8 December 2015 Sol88: A delusion of thinking that a ".gif loop of an active jet" will show that the jet is not produced by sublimating ices!
Seen this inanity before: 27 November 2015 Sol88: The delusion that observations that he wants will be made, e.g. a "video/time lapse" of active regions.
No, Sol88 - that is your delusion and lie about comets, not the real world. In the real world,
- real comets produce their display and water from sublimating ices.
- real comets are not created via the Thunderbolts cult delusion that you are mindlessly following.
- real comets are not affected by your paranoiac ranting about Rosetta scientists "dragging their feet".
- Scientists do not obey your inane demands for images.
If you want a GIF of active jets then you have access to all of the released Rosetta images and can create one for yourself.
8 December 2015 Sol88: An inane demand that scientists produce specific images.
8 December 2015 Sol88: A delusion of thinking that a ".gif loop of an active jet" will show that the jet is not produced by sublimating ices!
Seen this inanity before: 27 November 2015 Sol88: The delusion that observations that he wants will be made, e.g. a "video/time lapse" of active regions.
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Sol88: the insanely ignorant delusion that gravity is magnetism
8 December 2015 Sol88: the insanely ignorant delusion that gravity is magnetism!
The magnetic reconnection exists can be easily understood (except of course by deluded followers of the Thunderbolts cult who understand no science).
Magnetic field lines do not exist at places where there is no magnetic field (B=0)
! There are simple configurations that have places where there is no magnetic field which are known as null points, e.g. 2 parallel, equal electric currents have a B=0 line in-between them. Change the configuration and magnetic filed lines will "sweep" over the null point. The lines have to break and reconnect.
Is this an insane derail into the Thunderbolts cult delusion that magnetic reconnection doe not exist because of your insanely ignorant delusion that gravity is magnetism, Sol88?
8 December 2015 Sol88: the insanely ignorant delusion that gravity is magnetism!
The magnetic reconnection exists can be easily understood (except of course by deluded followers of the Thunderbolts cult who understand no science).
Magnetic field lines do not exist at places where there is no magnetic field (B=0)
! There are simple configurations that have places where there is no magnetic field which are known as null points, e.g. 2 parallel, equal electric currents have a B=0 line in-between them. Change the configuration and magnetic filed lines will "sweep" over the null point. The lines have to break and reconnect.Reality Check
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Sol88: A lie about the electric universe being about plasma
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LISA Pathfinder
8 December 2015 Sol88: A lie about the electric universe being about plasma - EU is deluded neo-Velikovsky fairly stories being extended to bigger scales.
No Sol88: GR and SR have already been extensively tested. If no gravitational waves are detected then that is a problem for the existence of sources of gravitational wavesIf gravitational waves making spacetime ripple,
!LISA Pathfinder
The idiocy that air is plasma, Sol88? Every time you rotated a fridge magnet, magnetic reconnection happened. MR is a trivial, physical process in vacuum and fairly trivial in air.
8 December 2015 Sol88: A lie about the electric universe being about plasma - EU is deluded neo-Velikovsky fairly stories being extended to bigger scales.
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not your lies of confirmed Deep Impact precisions, Haig
.Or mindless parroting of your Thunderbolts cult delusions about comets - 60 years since Velikovsky wrote his fairy stories and still no scientific literature confirming them and then his deluded followers really go off the deep end with their ignorance, delusions and lies about comets
!10th April 2015: The ignorance, delusions and lies in the Thunderbolts web site, videos, etc.
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Well, according to Sol (so far as I can tell), mainstream astronomy predicts that nothing having to do with electromagnetism will have any significance in comets, so he doesn't need to be specific, any predictions regarding electromagnetism in comets will do. In other words, don't hold your breath.
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Ride along with Rosetta through the eyes of OSIRIS
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The current (12 December 2015) image shows some great jets from all over the comet nucleus, e.g. the neck.
Unfortunately this will probably result will more of the "it look likes a rock" delusional statements from the Thunderbolts cult
.The current (12 December 2015) image shows some great jets from all over the comet nucleus, e.g. the neck.
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How'd it go Tusenfem?
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