Continuation The Electric Comet Theory Boogaloo (Part 2)

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Haig said:
Who better, but a specialist in electrochemistry, to confirm a voltage driven chemical reaction!
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Once again, electrochemical reactions occur in liquid solutions. Move along folks, nothing to see here.

in addition to hearing screams, in space no one can do electrochemistry.


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Haig said:
Maybe he will ... in due coarse
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Yeah, right, I won't hold my breath.
I hope you do know that this thread has been running since 2009, and since then not one electric comet has been published by the thunderdolts gang even though all the data (except for Rosetta) are freely available from PDS and PSA.
Makes you think what the dolts are afraid of, touching real data.
 
tusenfem said:
I hope you do know that this thread has been running since 2009, and since then not one electric comet has been published by the thunderdolts gang...
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Don't lose sight of what this is really about. It has nothing to do with electric comets, or electric anything -- that's merely a façade; a skillfully crafted ruse.

The Electric Universe has just one single purpose: fleecing gullible suckers out of as much money as possible via book sales, DVD's, T-shirts, conferences, workshops, live streaming events, donations, etc.

David Talbott and Wal Thornhill get rich selling empty promises of enlightenment that never does, nor ever will materialize.
 
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ferd burfle said:
Once again, electrochemical reactions occur in liquid solutions. Move along folks, nothing to see here.

in addition to hearing screams, in space no one can do electrochemistry.


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Hold on ferd, not so fast ! You don't think a specialist in electrochemistry is aware of that?

Others are too Astroelectrochemistry: the role of redox reactions in cosmic dust chemistry
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We propose that redox reactions on the surface of interstellar dust grains contribute to the synthesis of some polyatomic species that have been identified by spectroscopic s'ignatures. Most of the dust is found in clouds along with a rich abundance of molecular and atomic species, creating a thermodynamically distinct region in the interstellar medium (ISM) where chemistry can be supported. Using knowledge of redox process at the solid/liquid interface, a hypothesis is presented for processing mechanisms involving electron transfer between surface adsorbed species and the solid dust grains found in the ISM. The hypothesis is based on the interaction of dust grains with electromagnetic radiation and plumes of ionised gas, which electrostatically charge dust grains leading to an adjustment of the Fermi energy of electrons on the surface of individual grains. This process is equivalent to applying an external electrochemical potential to an electrode, to drive redox chemistry on an electrode surface in electrolysis or dynamic electrochemistry. Here the individual grains act as 'single electrode' electrochemical reactors in the gas phase. In this paper we highlight a gap in understanding of redox reactions at the solid/gas interface, which is potentially a very fruitful and interesting area of research.
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So electrochemistry in space plasma is possible according to the above paper.


Where Dr. Franklin Anariba breaks new ground is the idea that you have electrochemistry or electricity driving chemical reactions either in the nucleus of the comet or in the coma of the comet.

You do know that water is abundant in the coma of comets ? :D

Transcript of EU2013 talk by Dr. Franklin Anariba

Evidence for Electrical Comet Activity | Space News
Dr. Anariba analyzes the latest papers from the Rosetta mission, which provide stunning, direct evidence for electrical comet activity, evidence which may prove to be a game-changer in comet science.
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okay after this idiocy of dr anariba i guess we can summarily dismiss him as a crank

drananariba said:
Here is a cartoon, and it’s not up to scale as you can see. Here we have the Sun, here we have the solar wind which I will call the proton flux, because that is most of its composition even though we have some electrons in there.
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yeah some electrons ...

and then to continue with:

dranariba said:
In this particular case, I’m making the sun the positive region because of the protons of the solar wind, and the nucleus will be the negative region.
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so we just forget about those pesty electrons
then the ions (protons) are coming from the positive sun
the comet is negative, although everyone knows that the dayside of the comet is more prone to be positively charged if anything

total garbage, but who had expected anything els from thunderdolts?
 
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drananariba said:
In this particular case, I’m making the sun the positive region because of the protons of the solar wind, and the nucleus will be the negative region.
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Wait, it he saying that the outer part of the sun has a massive positive charge and the inner part of the sun has a massive negative charge?
 
Haig said:
Hold on ferd, not so fast !
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Hold on Haig - actually learn about the real world! Cosmic dust is not space plasma :jaw-dropp!
Astroelectrochemistry: the role of redox reactions in cosmic dust chemistry is not abut space plasma.

Where Dr. Franklin Anariba is in denial is the fact that he acknowledges - scientists know what "chemical reactions" are happening on comets for example:
  • Sublimation of ices.
  • Ionization of atoms and moleculaes.
  • Photodisassociation of molecules.
  • etc.
Thank you for confirming yet again that Dr. Franklin Anariba is so stupid that he spoke at a deluded Thunderbolts cult conference, Haig: Transcript of EU2013 talk by Dr. Franklin Anariba. That transcript implies that he has fallen for the cult dogma of comets being rocks because he
  • Ignores the ices that they are comprised of, e.g. " What is the composition of comets? Well, now we know that comets are actually formed by several kinds of minerals.".
  • Is ignorant about basic astronomy: "the solar wind which I will call the proton flux" because he thinks that t is manly protons - half the solar wind composition is electrons and half protons and some other ions :eek:!
  • Fantasizes based on this ignorance with the inanity that the Sun is a "positive region" and the comet nucleus a "negative region".
  • More of the idiocy of a comet nucleus being "rich in minerals, with silicates and transition metals."
  • Then he basically lies - the Sun being a "positive region" magically becomes the neutral solar wind being a "positive region"!
  • The inanity of science by cartoons and wishful thinking: "So, in more detail, if we have a comet here (this is a cartoon), ..."
  • Dr. Franklin Anariba is ignorant about comet tails!His fantasy does not explain comet plasma or dust tails - they are explained by the existence of plasma and dust around comets and the interaction with the solar wind.
  • "So how can we know there is an electrochemical process going on in comets?". Not from Dr. Franklin Anariba fantasies about one (uncited in the transcript) observation of cyanide without dust :eek:
    Evidence of an electrochemical process would be detecting parent and daughter products from an electrochemical process.
  • Fantasizes about CO and alcohols.
  • And one last cartoon to support his fantasies about comets!
But we already know that you blindly believe in whatever ignorant, deluded and even lying cult members state: The parroting of the Thunderbolt cult ignorance, delusions and lies in this thread alone (continuation of a thread that is now 6 years of delusions from Sol88 and Haig!).
 
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Haig said:
Hold on ferd, not so fast ! You don't think a specialist in electrochemistry is aware of that?



Others are too Astroelectrochemistry: the role of redox reactions in cosmic dust chemistry







So electrochemistry in space plasma is possible according to the above paper.





Where Dr. Franklin Anariba breaks new ground is the idea that you have electrochemistry or electricity driving chemical reactions either in the nucleus of the comet or in the coma of the comet.



You do know that water is abundant in the coma of comets ? :D



Transcript of EU2013 talk by Dr. Franklin Anariba



Evidence for Electrical Comet Activity | Space News
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Your reading comprehension is lacking as usual. The abstract makes an analogy to electrochemistry. It doesn't say what they claim is electrochemistry. Electrochemistry by definition involves a liquid. Haig, do you even know what phases the water on and near the comet are in?


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ferd burfle said:
Your reading comprehension is lacking as usual. The abstract makes an analogy to electrochemistry. It doesn't say what they claim is electrochemistry. Electrochemistry by definition involves a liquid. Haig, do you even know what phases the water on and near the comet are in?


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Don't be techy ferd you know that Astroelectrochemistry means reactions in cosmic dust chemistry ... just read it and weep :cool:

Yip a game changer in comet science with the electric comet hypothesis confirmation ;)

"Dr. Anariba analyzes the latest papers from the Rosetta mission, which provide stunning, direct evidence for electrical comet activity, evidence which may prove to be a game-changer in comet science." HERE
 
Haig said:
Don't be techy ferd you know that Astroelectrochemistry ...
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Don't reveal a total inability to understand what you cite, Haig ... but it is too late: The parroting of the Thunderbolt cult ignorance, delusions and lies in this thread alone (continuation of a thread that is now 6 years of delusions from Sol88 and Haig!).
Astroelectrochemistry: the role of redox reactions in cosmic dust chemistry
We propose that redox reactions on the surface of interstellar dust grains contribute to the synthesis of some polyatomic species that have been identified by spectroscopic s'ignatures. Most of the dust is found in clouds along with a rich abundance of molecular and atomic species, creating a thermodynamically distinct region in the interstellar medium (ISM) where chemistry can be supported. Using knowledge of redox process at the solid/liquid interface, a hypothesis is presented for processing mechanisms involving electron transfer between surface adsorbed species and the solid dust grains found in the ISM. The hypothesis is based on the interaction of dust grains with electromagnetic radiation and plumes of ionised gas, which electrostatically charge dust grains leading to an adjustment of the Fermi energy of electrons on the surface of individual grains. This process is equivalent to applying an external electrochemical potential to an electrode, to drive redox chemistry on an electrode surface in electrolysis or dynamic electrochemistry. Here the individual grains act as 'single electrode' electrochemical reactors in the gas phase. In this paper we highlight a gap in understanding of redox reactions at the solid/gas interface, which is potentially a very fruitful and interesting area of research.
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This is not electrochemistry.
It is an irrelevant paper about the chemistry at the interface between interstellar dust grains and interstellar gas.
 
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Haig said:
"Dr. Anariba analyzes the latest papers from the Rosetta mission, which provide stunning, direct evidence for electrical comet activity, evidence which may prove to be a game-changer in comet science."
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As shown from quotes above, dranariba does not know chickenpoo about comets and space plasma physics. But why bother reading, haig.
 
Do not personalize the argument. Keep it on topic and civil.
Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: kmortis
 
Excellent video showing the wealth of material and improved explanations of comet activities being provided by the Thunderbolts Project :)

The Electric Comet II -- Mysteries Deepen
Published on 7 Jan 2016
This is the second segment of Episode 4, Symbol of an Alien Sky: The Electric Comet II documentary series. It provides an update of comet science, starting where our earlier documentary The Electric Comet left off. Our objective in both comet documentaries is to contrast two perspectives—the Electric Comet Model and the “dirty snowball” Standard Model—all with a critical eye on predictive ability.
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ferd burfle said:
Nice goal post shifting; I'm sure no one noticed
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Nice of you to admit when you're wrong ;)

That link to Astroelectrochemistry was in response to your flippant assertion that it wasn't possible to have electrochemistry in space
ferd burfle said:
Once again, electrochemical reactions occur in liquid solutions. Move along folks, nothing to see here.

in addition to hearing screams, in space no one can do electrochemistry.
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Here

So electrochemistry is key to electric comets and there is lots of water produced in the voltage driven chemical reaction :cool:

MIRO MAPS WATER IN COMET’S COMA
“We found the highest density of water just above the neck, close to the north pole of the comet's rotation axis: in this narrow region, the column density of water is up to two orders of magnitude higher than elsewhere in the coma,” adds Dr Biver.
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Haig said:
Nice of you to admit when you're wrong
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I did no such thing, Haig. Please don't misrepresent my statements. Astroelectrrochemistry, as RC pointed out, is surface chemistry, not at all the same thing even though they sound similar. Seems there is "sounds like a bunny" physics in the EC crowd, in addition to their usual visual manifestation.


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ferd burfle said:
I did no such thing, Haig. Please don't misrepresent my statements. Astroelectrrochemistry, as RC pointed out, is surface chemistry, not at all the same thing even though they sound similar. Seems there is "sounds like a bunny" physics in the EC crowd, in addition to their usual visual manifestation.


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You seem to be missing the point ferd which is ... a specialist in electrochemistry is pointing out that he recognises voltage driven chemical reactions in the Rosetta data and it's a game-changer in comet science.

Evidence for Electrical Comet Activity | Space News
Dr. Franklin Anariba, a specialist in electrochemistry at Singapore Universe of Technology and Design, has investigated the evidence for electrochemical reactions on comets. In this video compilation of 5 recent interviews, Dr. Anariba analyzes the latest papers from the Rosetta mission, which provide stunning, direct evidence for electrical comet activity, evidence which may prove to be a game-changer in comet science.
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You ferd and RC can rant against the findings all you want but the evidence is there :p
 
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Haig said:
You ferd and RC can rant against the findings all you want but the evidence is there :p
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No, it isn't. Firstly, explain why this ludicrous idea of Anariba's doesn't happen to asteroids? Why only comets? According to EU comets are just asteroids on elliptical orbits! So let's take 4179 Toutatis for example (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4179_Toutatis). Why isn't the same process at work there, and on many other asteroids with highly elliptical orbits?
Secondly, explain how it is happening when the solar wind isn't even interacting with the surface at the time of highest activity? Diamagnetic cavity, no SW reaching the comet. As seen at Halley 30 years ago, and as seen at 67P. Only ions and neutrals of cometary origin seen at Halley within ~4500 km. Still outgassing though.
As if we actually need any more evidence to show this nonsense up for what it is, you can also look at the data on the sputtering caused by the solar wind at 67P back in October 2014, whilst ~3 AU from the Sun: http://www.aanda.org/articles/aa/pdf/2015/11/aa25980-15.pdf
Now, according to this Anariba eejit, the SW should be reaching the surface to cause the observed outgassing of H2O (among others). It is also the SW that causes the sputtering. Therefore one should expect to see the dust being sputtered uniformly. The SW is striking all parts of the sunlit portion of 67P. Yet we only see sputtering where there is low to zero H2O sublimation. Why? Because the SW isn't reaching the surface where sublimation is highest. And where it does reach the surface to cause the observed sputtering, it isn't magically creating H2O. The sputtering and H2O are anti-correlated.
In addition, if this nonsense were actually true, how is the SW managing not to turn the surface dust into ice, but magically creating it quite a number of centimeters below the surface? Protons are not going to implant themselves that far into the dust!
So tell us again; how is the SW turning dust into solid ice at depth? Some chemical formulae would be good, along with estimates of the proton flux per second need to generate >100 l/s of H2O at 67P. Or 200 000 l/s at Hale-Bopp. And an explanation of how this flux of protons is continually evading detection by Rosetta.
I assume Anariba has done all these calculations, so you can just copy/paste it here.
 
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