Continuation The Electric Comet Theory Boogaloo (Part 2)

tusenfem said:

mmm I guess we are missing something here?
since when does the EC/ES/EU cheer for magnetic reconnection?

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Sol88 said:

That 'ol chestnut!

Magnetic reconnection is BS!

Where is the E in the B ("magnetic reconnection") language?

Ahhh the magic magnetic fields produced by ferromagnetisim!

No ELECTRIC currents needed

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Sol88 said:

Where is the E in the B ("magnetic reconnection") language?

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1. 13 April 2016 Sol88: "Drinks the Kool-Aid" by parroting the deluded electric sun fantasy.
2. 13 April 2016 Sol88: Still cannot understand that Wal Thornhill has been lying to Sol88 for many years (11 years to the general public) !
3. 14 April 2016 Sol88: The abysmal ignorance of thinking that neutrino oscillations are just theory!
4. 14 April 2016 Sol88: Plasma instabilities are electromagnetic, not your "electrical"
5. 14 April 2016 Sol88: The delusion that I am as deluded as the Thunderbolts cult or you with the insanity that comets are rocks because a crank wrote 60 years ago had a fantasy that Venus erupted from Jupiter, etc.!
6. 14 April 2016 Sol88: A delusion that mainstream astrophysicists do not know how to apply electromagnetism.
7. 14 April 2016 Sol88: A delusion that mainstream astrophysicists do not acknowledge the magnetic and the electric. One look at the literature will show a rational person that this is not the case.
8. 14 April 2016 Sol88: Parrots the EU delusion of EM force > gravitational force means that EM effects are always greater than gravitational effects !
9. 14 April 2016 Sol88: What do you think the word electric means in many of those references?
10. 15 April 2016 Sol88: Deludingly reads the words "Magnetic fields are frozen in" in one of my previous posts!
11. 15 April 2016 Sol88: A delusion that an irrelevant, incoherent rant can show anyone an "error".
12. 15 April 2016 Sol88: A lie by quote mining Alfvén's Theorem on Wikipedia.
13. 15 April 2016 Sol88: The delusion that everything in in space is plasma.
14. 15 April 2015 Sol88: A "Still no word from the Rosetta team on "jets" lie
15. 2 May 2016 Sol88: Ignorantly parrots Thunderbolts cult dogma about magnetic reconnection.

Sol88 said:

Job done!

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Last week, the Rosetta mission released a large quantity of science data to the worldwide public. The release included data from many of its instruments, but I only have eyes for one of them, at least initially: OSIRIS, the high-resolution camera. The new image data covers the mission through December 19, 2014, which means that it covers two especially important periods. One of them was the Close Observation Phase of October 15 to 31, 2014, when Rosetta surveyed the comet from a height (measured from the comet's center) of only 10 kilometers. At that range, OSIRIS Narrow-Angle Camera pixels subtended fewer than 20 centimeters, giving us incredibly detailed views. And then, of course, was landing day on November 12, when OSIRIS watched as Philae fell toward the comet, landed, and then bounced.

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“This is a type of interaction we’ve never seen before anywhere in our solar system. The results are astonishing.”

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This, and the bow shock Pluto produces, were both consistent with that of a comet. At the same time, they found that Pluto's gravity was strong enough that it is able to retain the heavier methane ions, which is consistent with a planet.

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Whether this new finding means that the internal structure of the fissures is different than what scientists have suspected or some other process is at work either within Enceladus or in its orbit around Saturn still remains to be determined.

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Sol88 said:

Thanks, Comet Pluto. Solar System Nomenclature Needs A Major Rethink

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Examining both the lighter hydrogen ions that are thrown off by the Sun, and the heavier methane ions that are produced by Pluto, they found that the former showed a 20% rate of deceleration behind Pluto. This, and the bow shock Pluto produces, were both consistent with that of a comet. At the same time, they found that Pluto's gravity was strong enough that it is able to retain the heavier methane ions, which is consistent with a planet

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This study provides the first observations of Plutogenic ions and their unique interaction with the solar wind. We find ~20% solar wind slowing that maps to a point only ~4.5 RP upstream of Pluto and a bow shock most likely produced by comet-like mass loading. The Pluto obstacle is a region of dense heavy ions bounded by a “Plutopause” where the solar wind is largely excluded, and which extends back >100 RP into a heavy ion tail. The upstream standoff distance is at only ~2.5 RP. The heavy ion tail contains considerable structure, may still be partially threaded by the IMF, and is surrounded by a light ion sheath. The heavy ions (presumably CH4+) have average speed, density, and temperature of ~90 km s-1, ~0.009 cm-3, and ~7x105 K, with significant variability, slightly increasing speed/temperature with distance and are N-S asymmetric. Density and temperature are roughly anti-correlated yielding a pressure ~2 x10-2 pPa, roughly in balance with the interstellar pickup ions at ~33 AU. We set an upper bound of <30 nT surface field at Pluto and argue that the obstacle is largely produced by atmospheric thermal pressure like Venus and Mars; we also show that the loss rate down the tail (~5 x1023 s-1) is only ~1% of the expected total CH4 loss rate from Pluto. Finally, we observe a burst of heavy ions upstream from the bow shock as they are becoming picked up and tentatively identify an IMF outward sector at the time of the NH flyby.

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Sol88 said:

Does that make Enceladus a comet then???

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Sol88 said:

Does that make Enceladus a comet then???

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"Electrostatic dust processes have been hypothesized to explain these space observations. However, no theories until now were able to support these explanations," said Mihaly Horanyi, principal investigator of IMPACT research team.

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In addition to single particles, clusters of dust were lofted, which showed that electrostatic processes may be responsible for the Rosetta detection of fluffy dust particles released from the surface of Comet 67P.

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‘Halley produced a ‘major surprise’ in the amount of finest dust being emitted. Before the comet flybys the dust population was expected to peak at a certain size, then tail off toward smaller particles. Giotto swept up specks no larger than a millionth of a centimeter; only 100 atoms in diameter.

‘Comet dust collected in the Earth’s stratosphere contains tiny grains of annealed silicates that were formed at a temperature of about 1600K.

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Sol88 said:

So this is all new to the mainstream then????

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• Thornhill lies about forbidden spectral lines which are allowed in low density plasmas such as comet coma.
• Thornhill has the EU delusion of electrical discharges on comets.
• Thornhill stupidly looks at the industrial process of Electric Discharge Machining which uses "two electrodes, separated by a dielectric liquid"!
• Thornhill ignorantly thinks that astronomy images never lack contrast or are fuzzy.
• Thornhill idiotically compares an "Enhanced image of the nucleus of Comet Wild 2" with EDM images and lies about the feature of the comet.
• Thornhill idiotically looks at overexposed image of Comet Wild 2 and is surprised that it is brightest at the center!
• Thornhill ignorantly thinks that comets moved out to the Oort Cloud. They are thought to have formed there and it is the observed orbits of long period comets that show their origin in the Oort Cloud.
• Thornhill ignorantly thinks that comets only come from the Oort Cloud. Short period comets come from the Kuiper belt.
• Thornhill ignorantly thinks that "dirty snowballs" means white surfaces. The mainstream model of comets includes that fact that their surfaces are very dark as has been observed since the 1950's !
• Thornhill idiotically states that the "cratering of comets and asteroids remains an enigma for astronomers" - the formation of craters by impacts and sublimation (for comets) is no mystery.
• Thornhill's utter stupidity about our understanding of gravity and the value of G.
• Thornhill lies about sublimation of ices not expected to form "distinctive circular craters" (the pits expected from sublimation!) or "well-collimated jets".
• Thornhill lies about "surface features of Comet Wild 2 are inexplicable by out-gassing."
• Thornhill lies about "Solar heating should be least where the comet nucleus is brightest.".
  Solar heating is greatest where the surface is exposed to the Sun !
• Thornhill lies about "Comet Borrelly showed no trace of the water ice needed to account for the amount of dust emitted from the nucleus."
  This is Thornhill's usual denial of science by relying on press releases and then lying about them: 2002 News Releases NASA Spacecraft Finds Comet Has Hot, Dry Surface
  Comet Borrelly'e surface was measured to be hot and so its surface ices had sublimated.
• Thornhill mentions a 'major surprise" that Halley produced fine dust, as did Giotto, as expected in the mainstream model.
• Thornhill mentions that comet dust collected in the Earths atmosphere shows tiny grains of annealed silicates that were formed at a temperature of about 1600K as expected for dust formed in the early solar system!
• Thornhill lies about "Copious X-rays were discovered by accident coming from a comet".
  Astronomers had speculated that x-rays would be emitted from comets and on purpose pointed the RODAT satellite at Comet Hyakutake on March 27, 1996 to detect x-rays.
• Thornhill lies about an "ad hoc explanation".
  The scientific explanation is charge-exchange collisions of highly charged solar wind ions with cometary neutral species.
  Swift Detects X-Ray Emissions from Comets
• Thornhill's abysmal ignorance: "moving protons combining with electrons" is the definition of recombination, not any imaginary currents.
• Thornhill lists EU delusions that they can explain the real world, e.g. comets.
• Thornhill ends with a New Scientist article with the opinion of the Stardust mission that Wild 2 culd have impact criaters.
  The paper is Surface of Young Jupiter Family Comet 81 P/Wild 2: View from the Stardust Spacecraft (2004): "...including unusual circular features that appear to be impact craters".
  But by 2006 we have Evolution of Surface Features on Jupiter Family Comets: "Comets Borrelly, Tempel 1, and Wild 2 display a plethora of features, yet surprisingly, impact craters have not been unambiguously detected"

A NASA-funded research team, led by Mihaly Horanyi at the University of Colorado-Boulder (CU-Bolder), has conducted laboratory experiments to bring closure to a long-standing issue of electrostatic dust transport, explaining a variety of unusual phenomena on the surfaces of airless planetary bodies, including observations from the Apollo era to the recent Rosetta comet mission. The research being done at the Institute for Modeling Plasma, Atmospheres and Cosmic Dust (IMPACT) was recently published in the journal Geophysical Research Letters, and explains how dust may be transporting across vast regions above the lunar surface and rings of Saturn, without winds or flowing water.

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Sol88 said:

Sorry RC, JD116 ...

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In addition to single particles, clusters of dust were lofted, which showed that electrostatic processes may be responsible for the Rosetta detection of fluffy dust particles released from the surface of Comet 67P.

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1. 13 April 2016 Sol88: "Drinks the Kool-Aid" by parroting the deluded electric sun fantasy.
2. 13 April 2016 Sol88: Still cannot understand that Wal Thornhill has been lying to Sol88 for many years (11 years to the general public) !
3. 14 April 2016 Sol88: The abysmal ignorance of thinking that neutrino oscillations are just theory!
4. 14 April 2016 Sol88: Plasma instabilities are electromagnetic, not your "electrical"
5. 14 April 2016 Sol88: The delusion that I am as deluded as the Thunderbolts cult or you with the insanity that comets are rocks because a crank wrote 60 years ago had a fantasy that Venus erupted from Jupiter, etc.!
6. 14 April 2016 Sol88: A delusion that mainstream astrophysicists do not know how to apply electromagnetism.
7. 14 April 2016 Sol88: A delusion that mainstream astrophysicists do not acknowledge the magnetic and the electric. One look at the literature will show a rational person that this is not the case.
8. 14 April 2016 Sol88: Parrots the EU delusion of EM force > gravitational force means that EM effects are always greater than gravitational effects !
9. 14 April 2016 Sol88: What do you think the word electric means in many of those references?
10. 15 April 2016 Sol88: Deludingly reads the words "Magnetic fields are frozen in" in one of my previous posts!
11. 15 April 2016 Sol88: A delusion that an irrelevant, incoherent rant can show anyone an "error".
12. 15 April 2016 Sol88: A lie by quote mining Alfvén's Theorem on Wikipedia.
13. 15 April 2016 Sol88: The delusion that everything in in space is plasma.
14. 15 April 2015 Sol88: A "Still no word from the Rosetta team on "jets" lie
15. 2 May 2016 Sol88: Ignorantly parrots Thunderbolts cult dogma about magnetic reconnection.
16. 12 May 2016 Sol88: The idiocy of asking whether Enceladus (an icy moon) is a comet.
17. 5 July 2016 Sol88: Mindlessly parrots Wal Thornhill's ignorance, delusions and lies about comets, etc. in a 2004 blog article.
18. 5 July 2016 Sol88: The parroting of Wal Thornhill's 2004 blog article also reveals another delusion - that science stopped in 2004! A rational person would have looked up the current science, e.g. from Rosetta.
19. 5 July 2016 Sol88: This is still sublimating subsurface ices blowing dust off the surface. In this case clusters of dust to form the fluffy dust particles detected at 67P.

• space-time is a real "fabric",
• computer models are not real evidence - has he never heard of Peratt and his computer models of invalid galaxy formation!
• cites the ignorant and deluded Steve Crothers.
• "whether it wouldn’t be a good idea if scientists understood gravity before they began spending hundreds of millions of dollars on a gravity wave telescope".
  The first answer is that no one is building a "gravity wave" telescope!
  The obvious answer is that scientists know enough about gravity, e.g. the indirect evidence for gravitational waves, to justify spending money looking for direct evidence for gravitational waves.
• the delusion that a paradigm shift will come from a crank thinking that gravity is electromagnetism!
• The idiocy of citing the speed of gravity in Newtonian gravitation which is assumed to be infinite. The failure of Newtonian gravitation is an implied failure of that assumption. There are no gravitational waves in Newtonian gravitation.
• The speed of gravity in GR is the speed of light. There are disputed empirical measurements of the speed of gravity being ~c. The LIGO detection gives another way to measure the speed of gravity: Tests of general relativity with GW150914.
• Fantasies about "This would result in a slingshot effect and toss planets out of the solar system in short order".
• A lie about "Observations of close binary stars where the effect would be extreme and quickly noticeable show that gravity must operate at a speed in excess of 20 billion times the speed of light to prevent spiraling orbits"
• "gravitational dogma"
• Ignorance of electromagnetism with "how an electromagnetic wave could travel through nothing. You cannot wave nothing!"
• "The Electric Universe proposes that the dielectric medium of the vacuum is a plenum of neutrinos, "
• "which like all subatomic particles must have internal structure that distorts to form electric dipoles when exposed to an electric field."

The resolution of the full-scale images is about 11 centimeters per pixel. Wow.

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Reality Check said:

Phil Plait has Throwing Shade on a Comet about the release of high resolution images of the Feb. 14, 2015 Rosetta close flyby of 67P which captured the shadow of the spacecraft crossing the surface of the nucleus.

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