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8th October 2016, 05:15 AM | #2961 |
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I am talking about END times, by referring to the fact, that there is a Creator and that he will reveal that by a prescribed demonstration of his creative powers. When this is done then all your theories will amount to nothing, because they are nothing. So be it!
So this statement is true of you and all who THINK you have it all wrapped up. Rom 1:18-20 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse. |
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As has been pointed out to you, your own, personal, assertion does not turn your own, personal presumptions into "fact".
You are welcome to your fairy tales; but you do err when you pretend they represent reality, or have sway over anyone one else. Again, you presume. Without any evidence. What do you, personally, believe is the actual, historical date of ƴ ͤ fludde? I understand you are loath to commit to a date, as the lack of evidence then becomes patent, but when do you believe it is to be supposed to have happened? You have never stepped up to address this issue... ...right. The "invisible" qualities of 'god' "have been clearly seen". I'll just leave thaat low-hanging fruit on the vine... Why don't you stop "suppressing the truht by your wickedness", and provide your best idea fo rhte actual date of ƴ ͤ fludde? |
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8th October 2016, 05:53 AM | #2964 |
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Why does your all powerful creator need to follow prescribed rules?
Yahweh is allegedly all-powerful, so why does He need to follow any rules other than his own whim? It's not like there is an over-god he has to answer to if he doesn't, or that there are rules/natural laws that he can't ignore, so why does he HAVE to do anything? The existence of a Creator is not a proven fact. I believe you claimed to be able to do just that. So far all you've done is quote Bible stories, which is as good as quoting Harry Potter to prove the existence of magic.
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Our understanding of the physical universe has not revealed anything remotely like a god. It has revealed the consistent natural processes that shape the world around us. Why do you want to deny the beauty of the natural world in favour of a misogynistic, narcissistic sociopath who is supposed to have waved waved his magic wand? |
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8th October 2016, 07:19 AM | #2965 |
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There is, in actual fact, another mangod. He is omni-present, omniscient and omnipotent. He already has countless millions of true believers. Why do all of these millions of folk sincerely believe in him? Because there is actual physical evidence, tangible repeatable effects that he is real, unlike your obscure deity.
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I am not suppressing the truth by my wickedness. Au contraire, I have twice asked you to show this truth- and you have twice ignored me.
Your latest quote talks of your god making himself clear. Why don't you follow his example? Just shpw me one empty grave, from which the body has been taken down into hell like you said, and you will save my soul. What's to lose? Now, about this latest quote. You say that your god will reveal himself with a demonstration of power. However, the quote from the Bible says that this power is being revealed now. Which is it? Are we seeing it now, as per the Bible, or will we see it in the future, as per you. If it's the latter, can you explain why you think the Bible is wrong? Anyway, if we're going to talk grammar, the "now" in the Bible is about 2,000 years ago. Accordiing to this quote, we should have seen unmistakeable evidence of the power of your god 2,000 years ago. Can you explain how this is completely absent from the historical records of (as far as I know) every country in the world? |
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8th October 2016, 09:27 AM | #2968 |
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Your god reveals his "creative powers" by destroying everything at the end times. Some "creation" you got going there. Your religion makes less and less sense the more you talk about it.
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8th October 2016, 01:15 PM | #2969 |
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We certainly are lavishing a lot of attention on an exceeding sub-par apologist.
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Just as people lavish a lot of attention on a highway accident. Bethke isn't an apologist; he's a zealot. Apologists are the regular drivers. Zealots are the car wrecks.
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8th October 2016, 03:52 PM | #2971 |
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I don't know. Given his knowledge level, he's more a fender bender than a car crash. The most interesting thing about his routine is his creative and exotic racism, but he seems to have backed off on that since his return. That reminds me, I need to find some time to work on the short story this thread has inspired. |
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Well to have zeal is a good thing—we do not have to apologise for what the Creator has said or done.
2Ki_10:16 Jehu said, "Come with me and see my zeal for the LORD." Then he had him ride along in his chariot. Rom_12:11 Never be lacking in zeal, but keep your spiritual fervour, serving the Lord. So what has cars got to do with all this—there were no cars in those days! |
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Christians have been saying that for about 2000 years. I am willing to wait.
On the plus side, should you be right and your god actually exist and I am allowed to chose between it and whatever opposes it, your posts have made it clear that the opposition is my choice. Whatever it is, it can't be worse than the god you promote. |
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How about showing us now?
Show us the empty graves, whose former occupants were taken into hell, according to the Bible quote you supplied. Show us the unmistakable proof of your god's power that, according to the Bible quote you supplied, should have been given 2,000 years ago. Then you've proved your point and saved my soul. Don't you want my soul to be saved? |
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No more significant than 777, 1777, 2777, 3777, and 4777 were.
Why should an allegedly all-powerful being need to wait for a particular year? It's not like anything could say,"Sorry, you have to wait." and make it stick. I mean, if He was feeling lazy he could put this judgement off for a year or two hundred and really, what could you do about it? People who say, "God must do these things on Date X, because the signs are here" are just trying to impose controls on Yahweh. And isn't there some Bible verse about not knowing when He would return? |
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Just more of your usual crap.
Every time you fail, you ask for more time and/or provide citations from your fairy book. I am not one of those stupid, mindless, terrified religious people who needs to be continually lied to by a religious leader in order to keep his faith. If this God of yours does actually does exist, then you would not have to shovel so much crap in order to cover the horrible flaws in your logic. |
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I didn't say you had zeal. I said you were a zealot. There's a difference.
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Your predictions have already failed, so we don't need to wait in order to call you the false prophet you obviously are.
As for the rest of the stuff, the believers have had 5,000 years to show us any evidence of their god. The best they can do is speculatively attribute things to him after the fact, and spew endless streams of excuses and platitudes. |
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That does not mean that I do not have zeal—a zealot is an extremist, so I do have an extreme zeal for the truth that Yahweh is the only God and the Creator of all things.
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No it was not a prophecy in that sense—but a reference to the fact that 7s have a significant reference in Scripture.
There is no magic in seven, but what one looks at is the affairs of the world and compares them with what is recorded—if what is seen as a parallel then we understand from that, that the intervention of the Creator is eminent. A prime example is in what Jesus referred to--Luk_17:26 "Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man. People were eating, drinking, marrying and being given in marriage up to the day Noah entered the ark. Then the flood came and destroyed them all. So from my observation of the world, especially South Africa, we are in the same state as the people in the days of Noah before the flood. |
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Sorry- what?
I see no relevance whatsoever in your post, to my original. Was this somehow supposed to answer my requests? Leaving the issue of the irrelevance of your drivel, and just to demonstrate how to answer posts, are you sayiing that the day of judgement will happen this (Jewish) year? Can we quote you on that next year? Given this now-concrete timetable, you now have one year to save my soul. You know what will do that, what it will take for me to believe, repent, stop drinking blood and all the rest of it: show me evidence. If you continue to refuse to do so, how do you think your god will react? How will you explain to him that you had a sinner begging for help, yet you ignored him? It's not just my soul at stake here, you know.... |
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So if people are "eating, drinking, marrying and being given in marriage" that means "the intervention of the Creator is eminent" (I assume Paul meant imminent). Well those are certainly things that are happening right now, so I guess this year really must be the one. And they were also happening last year, so that must have been the one too. And the year before that. In fact, the creator must have intervened every year for thousands of years. Bit odd we haven't noticed, really.
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The Biblical data places the Flood at 2304 BC ± 11 years.
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No, thank YOU for finally answering the question. Here is its follow-up:
Be so kind as to explain why there is neither written nor physical evidence of such an event, especially as (in your opinion) it happened during a well-known historical period...and yet no mesoamerican or oriental civilization records any such, nor its aftereffects. ETA: ninja-ed by abaddon... |
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That wasn't my point.
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