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10th October 2016, 06:46 AM | #3001 |
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You told us year 5777 on the Hebrew calendar was when your god was going to set in motion the end times. That was a fairly specific statement. Are you retracting it?
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11th October 2016, 06:35 AM | #3010 |
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There's actually been quite a lot of rejiggering of the Jewish calendar over the centuries.
http://www.jewfaq.org/calendar.htm At this point you're putting more faith in the accuracy of that calendar than I suspect most observant Jews do. Not even the Creationists who tout the "accuracy" of Jewish Torah copiers as if they were guided by then hand of god over every letter reference the Jewish calendar. Even Answers in Genesis makes only passing mention of it admitting that doubt about how long the Jews were even USING a Lunar calendar could easily cause massive drift in time keeping. |
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Whatever it is, it's rather vague.
Paul Bethke, what should I do by way of preparation, given that I'm not going to convert until you provide the indisputable proof you promised? |
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11th October 2016, 06:58 AM | #3013 |
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Then showing your work should be easy.
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You told us the end times would begin this year, in the Hebrew year 5777. At first you made it sound like a prophecy. Then you backed away from it as such, then returned to it again. You're not being very clear in what you tell people and expect them to rely on. Will you finally answer my questions regarding this putative prediction? |
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11th October 2016, 07:03 AM | #3015 |
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I see no reason to expend effort to conform to an authority whose very existence cannot be established by any evidence you are able to provide. People have been telling the skeptics to wait for thousands of years. How long did you think that excuse was going to work?
You go into houses of worship and accost the clergy. When they rightly reject you -- for lack of understanding and evidence -- you accuse them of being corrupt. Your admission that the world has to bide its time until you're ready to make good on your delusion of grandeur seems very much at odds with the demand you have made on others that they believe you here and now, without proof. It seems that if you want to be revered as your god's go-to boy, you need more than just bluff and bluster. It seems, given the footing on which you say you can provide proof, you are being treated rather appropriately. |
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11th October 2016, 07:20 AM | #3017 |
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Concordance of dates - ie relate the years of various events known in the conventional calendar to the dates in the Jewish calendar. Compare. If the dates agree then we have a starting point to look for proof of the events of the OT. Start simple - say, Titus' Siege of Jerusalem was in 70CE, now see if the date is in concordance with the Jewish calendar's date of the event.
Otherwise, all you have concerning the proof of the events of the Bible is the Bible, which we know to be inaccurate, and unreliable as a source of history, being written as a collection of myths and legends, followed by portions whereby the ruling caste sought to justify its rule by reference to said mythical past. |
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11th October 2016, 07:45 AM | #3020 |
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Well then, why not kill some time by returning to the Paul Bethke vs the 613 Mitzvot thread to enlighten us some more?
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And you are the one here with the same old tired song and dance routine.
You claimed you were going to prove the existence of Yahweh - you have not even tried. Your little act now only cements my earlier impressions of you as intellectually cowardly - you make assertions and then run when asked to back those assertions up. |
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You avoided the question yet again. It's clear you have no answers, and the "just wait until my god wakes up" excuse is no longer valid.
You were asked questions about the dating of Noah's flood. Please answer. You were asked questions about year 5777 as the start of the end times. Please answer. All we ever get from you is song and dance, whereas in the same 2000 years secular humanity has become literate, invented the computer, gone to the Moon, split the atom, and discovered the building blocks of life. All without your long-running superstition. |
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Which source of the Torah is your link using? Notoriously, the earliest manuscripts and other witnesses to the oldest versions of the Torah disagree flagrantly on the chronology of these mythical events. See this paper and the myriad other scholarly works that discuss this phenomenon, which your laughable source doesn't even mention!
This table indicates the wide discrepancy in the number of years assigned by the various recensions (the Masoretic Text, the Septuagint, the Samaritan Torah, and the version used by the chronicler Josephus) to the period separating Adam from Noah.
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In the past there were a few things that I did not take into account—now that I am aware of these critical events that I overlooked, it becomes clear why there was a delay.
The way a revelation works is that ALL details must be in place before anything can transpire. The END time scenario is a complexity of present day occurrences, which must be dealt with simultaneously. |
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Nope. That is a monstrous misrepresentation of your history.
Where is the withered grass at the world cup in South Africa? Where exactly is it? That event took place six years ago. No withering occurred. You flat out lied. Where is the blindness you promised to visit upon all those you disliked? Didn't happen either, did it? By any measure, you are a false prophet. In the spirit of fairness, perhaps we should examine your current prophecies. Oops, we cannot examine those because you won't make any. The best you can manage is a one size fits nobody generic fuzzy blob of a pseudo prophecy that predicts nothing at all. What did you think anyone would make out of this baloney? |
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Signs of the End Times
Because an all powerful God can't just do it whenever He feels like? Why does he need to wait for the stars to be aligned and all other crap people point to as "signs" before he acts? If your deity was actually all-powerful then he could just show up, and put a stop to all the shenanigans that displease him. All we get though is a bunch of |
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Seriously. The sine qua non of prophecy is if the thing you prophesied actually happened. Any yutz can walk up to a tree and say, "Tomorrow this tree will be withered." If the tree doesn't wither, it makes absolutely no practical or theoretical difference whether the yutz was just a charlatan pulling everyone's leg or a sincere fellow who just hadn't finished reading the instruction manual yet.
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So he does what every other false prophet does: he claims his prophecies are conditional, contingent upon things he can't know about and which are out of his control. And he doesn't realize that makes him exactly the same as any yutz who tries to predict something: things that affect the outcome are things he doesn't know about and are outside his control. Give 'em the ol' razzle-dazzle. |
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