Three Professors of Psychiatry call for "neuropsychiatric evaluation"

WilliamSeger said:
Thanks, but I'd seriously like an answer to my question: Are you suggesting that DJT has not demonstrated an astonishing amount of "grandiosity, impulsivity, hypersensitivity to slights or criticism, and an apparent inability to distinguish between fantasy and reality," or do you believe that's normal behavior and perfectly acceptable for our president?
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I am just slightly more credible than those *********** mutts so I am going to hold off answering lest people believe that partisan nonsense like this equals real medical diagnoses.
 
WilliamSeger said:
Is Trump Mentally Ill?
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grandiosity, impulsivity, hypersensitivity to slights or criticism
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If those are signs of mental illness then half the population should be in an asylum.

an apparent inability to distinguish between fantasy and reality
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It always scares me when those who get to make up different categories of mental illness have an apparent inability to distinguish between apparent and proven.
 
psionl0 said:
If those are signs of mental illness then half the population should be in an asylum.

It always scares me when those who get to make up different categories of mental illness have an apparent inability to distinguish between apparent and proven.
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Some of us do have the ability to distinguish between that which crosses the line into a true personality disorder and that which is just "grandiosity, impulsivity, hypersensitivity to slights or criticism" to some degree.

Trump cannot help himself.
Trump not only can't admit he was wrong, he is incapable of believing he is wrong.
His rationalizations are part of his personality disorder, they are well over the line where the average person rationalizes.

And so on...
 
theprestige said:
Oh no! Not the Hitler meme! Your previous arguments left me in doubt, but now that you've deployed the dreaded Hitler, I'm totally convinced of your rightness! Tell me more!
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Technically, he deployed Hindenburg, which is appropriate since his argument went down in flames.
 
WilliamSeger said:
Same question to you: Are you suggesting that DJT has not demonstrated an astonishing amount of "grandiosity, impulsivity, hypersensitivity to slights or criticism, and an apparent inability to distinguish between fantasy and reality," or do you believe that's normal behavior and perfectly acceptable for our president?
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My post had nothing to do with any possible mental illness. It had to do with the rank stupidity of writing Obama about it.
 
Loss Leader said:
My post had nothing to do with any possible mental illness. It had to do with the rank stupidity of writing Obama about it.
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They're just trying to work through the bargaining phase. Don't interfere with their self-therapy.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Some of us do have the ability to distinguish between that which crosses the line into a true personality disorder and that which is just "grandiosity, impulsivity, hypersensitivity to slights or criticism" to some degree.

Trump cannot help himself.
Trump not only can't admit he was wrong, he is incapable of believing he is wrong.
His rationalizations are part of his personality disorder, they are well over the line where the average person rationalizes.

And so on...
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Is this your formal diagnosis as a licensed medical practitioner?
 
Ziggurat said:
They're just trying to work through the bargaining phase. Don't interfere with their self-therapy.
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I'm pretty sure it is the Trump supporters that are stuck in the denial phase. But I think it's best to humor them for now.
 
theprestige said:
False dilemma, begging the question, and subjective opinion anyway. And also appeal to authority.
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False dilemma? Obviously there are at least a few nuanced choices: deny that DJT exhibits the described behavior; deny that the described behavior is abnormal; declare that you find it normal and acceptable; declare that you find it abnormal and unacceptable; declare that you find it abnormal but so what; try to deflect; or just ignore it.

Begging what question? That would be something circular like saying DJT's behavior is abnormal because he acts in an abnormal manner. I'm saying that DJT's behavior is indistinguishable from a recognized personality disorder, and that it's severe enough to seriously interfere with the duties of the presidency, so I believe the professors are right to call for a professional evaluation, up-close and personal.

Subjective opinion? Regardless of my subjective opinion about DJT's mental health, the issue here is whether or not there is are substantive reasons to get a professional opinion about DJT's mental health. Yes, my subjective opinion is that we should, because it really is important, and yours appears to be that you'd rather not, for some unspecified reason.

Appeal to authority? Not at all; citing an authority is not automatically an appeal to authority fallacy. That would be something like claiming the professors are right because they are professors. I believe they are right because I have watched the Donald Trump Show for decades, and I am capable of reading the clinical definition of Narcissistic Personality Disorder for myself and comparing DJT's behavior to that list.

theprestige said:
You're quoting these guys like it means something. But without an actual clinical diagnosis, it doesn't mean anything.
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Which is exactly why these professors are calling for an actual clinical diagnosis.

theprestige said:
Without an actual clinical diagnosis, it means the same as your own subjective opinion. So let's evaluate it on that basis: William Seger says Donald Trump demonstrates "an astonishing amount of bla bla bla". So what? Is your astonishment supposed to mean something?
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No, let's not change the subject. What's your objection to getting an actual clinical diagnosis from qualified professionals?
 
psionl0 said:
If those are signs of mental illness then half the population should be in an asylum.
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If DJT's behavior remotely resembles "half the population" to you, I'd politely suggest that you need some new friends.

psionl0 said:
It always scares me when those who get to make up different categories of mental illness have an apparent inability to distinguish between apparent and proven.
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It scares me when apparent mental illness in a president-elect is normalized.
 
Meh. China is already laughing at his immature "keep the drone" tweet. We don't need any exam, all one will need is to hear and see the growing, openly-expressed disdain by peoples and leaders. With his "smarts," he is already being outmaneuvered with regards to global warming, Taiwan, the S. China Sea, the Philippines, TPP and so on. He just keeps on frittering away all notion of any US capability to lead on any issue.

Which is why, when things get bad, he'll become militarily adventurous, just like tinpot dictators like Putin. Trump is an unmitigated disaster, and the skeptics defending his profoundly anti-science agenda have been self-tarred and feathered already. The handpicked incoming US admin is a clown and cowboy parade.
 
WilliamSeger said:
It scares me when apparent mental illness in a president-elect is normalized.
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Much as you would like it to be (selectively) otherwise, being full of yourself is not a mental illness. * The idea that somebody might have to prove that they are not insane is even more insidious than requiring somebody to prove that they are not guilty of a crime. At least the latter doesn't depend on somebody else's opinion.

* No doubt some "experts" would say it is a sign of insanity.
 
The Big Dog said:
Snerk. Say, welcome to the site.

My favorite part was when the mutts said they could not diagnose him and wrote a letter to Barack Obama.

Hee hee!
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To do a proper diagnose you need more than observe somebody from a distance. But there are warning signs. And those warning signs are what you underplay. Those warning sign could lead to something or to nothing. The point is that to ignore warning signs when that same person will shape foreign policy, is utterly moronic.
 
psionl0 said:
Much as you would like it to be (selectively) otherwise, being full of yourself is not a mental illness.
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If that's all you have noticed about DJT's behavior, or if that's your definition of NPD, perhaps you should have skipped this discussion. But it's not too late to get up to speed:

Mayo Clinic said:
Narcissistic personality disorder is one of several types of personality disorders. Personality disorders are conditions in which people have traits that cause them to feel and behave in socially distressing ways, limiting their ability to function in relationships and other areas of their life, such as work or school.


If you have narcissistic personality disorder, you may come across as conceited, boastful or pretentious. You often monopolize conversations. You may belittle or look down on people you perceive as inferior. You may feel a sense of entitlement — and when you don't receive special treatment, you may become impatient or angry. You may insist on having "the best" of everything — for instance, the best car, athletic club or medical care.


At the same time, you have trouble handling anything that may be perceived as criticism. You may have secret feelings of insecurity, shame, vulnerability and humiliation. To feel better, you may react with rage or contempt and try to belittle the other person to make yourself appear superior. Or you may feel depressed and moody because you fall short of perfection.


Many experts use the criteria in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5), published by the American Psychiatric Association, to diagnose mental conditions. This manual is also used by insurance companies to reimburse for treatment.


DSM-5 criteria for narcissistic personality disorder include these features:

  • Having an exaggerated sense of self-importance
  • Expecting to be recognized as superior even without achievements that warrant it
  • Exaggerating your achievements and talents
  • Being preoccupied with fantasies about success, power, brilliance, beauty or the perfect mate
  • Believing that you are superior and can only be understood by or associate with equally special people
  • Requiring constant admiration
  • Having a sense of entitlement
  • Expecting special favors and unquestioning compliance with your expectations
  • Taking advantage of others to get what you want
  • Having an inability or unwillingness to recognize the needs and feelings of others
  • Being envious of others and believing others envy you
  • Behaving in an arrogant or haughty manner
Although some features of narcissistic personality disorder may seem like having confidence, it's not the same. Narcissistic personality disorder crosses the border of healthy confidence into thinking so highly of yourself that you put yourself on a pedestal and value yourself more than you value others.
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Not only does DJT fit this profile, it's a fairly complete description of his personality; for example, it also explains his bigotry, misogyny, and sexual assaults.

At best, DJT's incessant lying is a sociopathic way to satisfy several of the narcissist's needs. At worst, his "apparent inability to distinguish between fantasy and reality" could be symptomatic of something even more serious. As I said, that's the part that bothers me the most: Whether he's delusional or consciously and deliberately lying his ass off to manipulate people, he is manifestly unfit for office.
 
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