Continuation The Electric Comet Theory Boogaloo (Part 2)

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Good on ya Jonesdave116 but it's a non starter all the data back from Rosetta says you've got more at play here than just 1+1=2!
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Yes, it does. Let's see how the results from Rosetta apply to my calculation:

1)It shows my calculation to be irrelevant, as we know that the solar wind wasn't reaching the comet nucleus for a long period of time - but we already knew that was going to happen from the Giotto mission in '86. So, I basically wasted my time.

2)The measured sw densities were well in line with what I used to do the calculation.

Have I left anything out? Oh yeah, Wal's 'sw H+ will combine with O-' malarkey. Check the energy of a sw H+ ion at ~400 km/s. Will it combine? With anything? No, would be the answer to that.
Funny how the genius Thornhill never bothered to check these things out for himself, before accusing the scientific world of being wrong. Strange how so many people were taken in by it, given how easy it is to disprove. Funny how he never mentioned the ice ejected at 9P. Or the crater. Or the 'snowstorm' at 103P. Or the diamagnetic cavity at 1P, which would have saved him from all the sw nonsense. Et boring cetera.
One would almost think he was deliberately withholding such information from his acolytes, in an attempt to deceive them. Seems like it worked.
 
Sol88 said:
Maybe Tusenfem could tell Jonesdave116, Reality Check and the lurkers looking for that real mainstream science, more about

Tusenfem, what is the difference between a MAGNETIC FLUX ROPE a FIELD ALIGNED CURRENT and a BIRKELAND CURRENT?
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Field aligned currents are currents flowing along the magnetic field.
Birkeland currents are a special class of field aligned currents which are flowing in the Earth's magnetosphere, e.g. during the formation of the substorm current wedge.
Flux ropes are twisted magnetic structures generated by various processes, either on the sun or in the solar wind or in the magnetotail ...
 
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tusenfem said:
Up to section 10, this is all old stuff, been done by lots of people.
Section 10 I don't buy, Scott should have spent more time actually explaining the observations than spending 9 sections on known stuff.
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He was probably hoping that the peer reviewer (assuming they have such a thing at Progress in Physics) would get bored, and give up, before he saw the obvious cock-up of assigning a Z-pinch to something that is going in two opposite directions at once!
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1989AJ.....97..476B
 
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Well the journal "Progress in Physics" is not listed in ISI Web of Knowledge, which means it has no impact. Looking at the titles of pip it looks like a gathering of very non-mainstream authors.
(you will see many well known authors: Robitaille, Crothers, Scott, ..., and it seems to be filled with the same list of authors over the years, take a look)
 
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tusenfem said:
Well the journal "Progress in Physics" is not listed in ISI Web of Knowledge, which means it has no impact. Looking at the titles of pip it looks like a gathering of very non-mainstream authors.
(you will see many well known authors: Robitaille, Crothers, Scott, ..., and it seems to be filled with the same list of authors over the years, take a look)
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Indeedy. The wikipedia entry links a rather interesting letter from Gerhard Bruhn, regarding the aforementioned handyman/ gardener, and general badass, Crothers:
http://www.mathematik.tu-darmstadt.de/~bruhn/toRabounski030508.html
Amusing stuff!
 
jonesdave116 said:
Indeedy. The wikipedia entry links a rather interesting letter from Gerhard Bruhn, regarding the aforementioned handyman/ gardener, and general badass, Crothers:
http://www.mathematik.tu-darmstadt.de/~bruhn/toRabounski030508.html
Amusing stuff!
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Great find but how does the math explain this

The Milky Way's black hole is spewing out planet-size 'spitballs'

They also form much more rapidly than a normal planet. It takes only a day for the black hole to shred the star (in a process known as tidal disruption), and only about a year for the resulting fragments to pull themselves back together. This is in contrast to the millions of years required to create a planet like Jupiter from scratch.
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She also finds that the vast majority of the planet-mass objects - 95 percent - will leave the galaxy entirely due to their speeds of about 20 million miles per hour (10,000 km/s). Since most other galaxies also have giant black holes at their cores, it's likely that the same process is at work in them.
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What a howler!


sorry off topic
 
Here are some question for any of the EU mathematical geniuses who might be reading:

How many molecules of H2O in a litre of water?
https://www.reference.com/science/many-molecules-liter-15fb71e28ac79708

What is the density of the solar wind at 1 AU?
https://www.cfa.harvard.edu/~scranmer/ITC/eaaa_solar_wind_schwenn.pdf

What would it be at ~3 AU? (Hint: 1/r2)

What is the average speed of the solar wind?
https://www.cfa.harvard.edu/~scranmer/ITC/eaaa_solar_wind_schwenn.pdf

What is the size of 67P?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko

How many molecules of H2O per second was 67P outgassing at ~ 3 AU?
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?release=2015-029

How many solar wind H+ ions were striking the comet per second at ~ 3 AU?
(Have to do this one yourselves)

Explain, in your own words, why this is(n't) so difficult to work out.

Conclusion? Wal can't do maths. Dr. Franklin Anariba can't do maths.

Further questions for the scientifically challenged:

What is the energy of a H+ ion at ~ 400 km/s?
https://hal-insu.archives-ouvertes.fr/insu-01199226/document (Fig. 2)
(Hint: ~ 1 keV)

Will H+ ions at this energy combine with O-, or any other species?
(Hint: no)

Why didn't Wal know this?

Why would somebody who is seemingly so hopeless at science presume to tell the whole of the science community, who have ever studied comets, that they are wrong, and he is right? And why would anybody even halfway scientifically literate choose to believe him?

Some additional off-topic questions:

To power the Sun, how many electrons, travelling at half rat power, would be needed to power the Sun?
(Hint: rest mass = 9 x 10-31 kg)

a) What would this say about the necessary number per cm3 that would be observed at the heliopause? b) What is the number actually observed?
(Hint: a) 3 x 1023 cm3; b) a bloody sight less)

How many electrons per cm3 would this translate to at 1 AU?
(Hint: 3 x 1033 cm3)

Do you think it would be possible to propagate radio signals through such a medium?

a) How many molecules of air are there at sea level on Earth? b) How do the two figures compare?
(Hint: a) ~ 2.5 x 1019 cm3; b)not favourably)
https://www.quora.com/How-many-air-molecules-are-present-in-a-cubic-meter-of-air

How would these electrons avoid detection by spacecraft travelling at ~ 10 km/s with respect to those electrons?
(Hint: they wouldn't)

What does the above tell you about the mathematical and scientific abilities of the people who dreamed up this nonsense?
(Have to do this one yourselves)

When will they ever present any quantifiable hypotheses for their ◊◊◊◊◊◊* crazy ideas?
(Hint: never)

Has anyone here ever been conned by such nonsense? A show of hands will be fine.
 
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Captain_Swoop said:
What does any of that have to do with comets?
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Zilch. However, as the 'electric comet' is dead in the water, Sol is reduced to scouring the interweb for anything unrelated, that might not fully fit with previous expectations from real science. This, in his mind, somehow justifies the Velikovskian woo that he has been conned into believing.
I'm awaiting the fully quantified hypotheses that shows that Wal and the gang have got an answer for whatever Sol manages to dig up.
 
Whoops, just noticed a typo in my eq. for the non-existent 'electric sun' above:

should be: 3 x 1033 electrons per m3, not cm3.
This equates to 3 x 1027 electrons cm3 at 1 AU.
This is a huge help to the EU folks, as they now only have ~8 orders of magnitude more electrons per cm3 than there are molecules of air per cm3 at sea level, instead of 14!
Silly me. Now I can see how it's possible :)
 
Sol88 said:
sorry off topic
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Actually not totally off topic. Your electric comet delusion is based on abysmally ignorant denial of the real world, e.g. you have to think that the surface of the Earth was blasted off in recent times to create comets. 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko alone has a volume of 18.7 cubic kilometers and is one of 3445 observed comets listed in the JPL Small-Body Database Search Engine :eek:!

Another example of that abysmally ignorant denial is relevant.
The Milky Way's black hole is spewing out planet-size 'spitballs' is real world science that you deny as a "howler".
 
jonesdave116 said:
Zilch. However, as the 'electric comet' is dead in the water, Sol is reduced to scouring the interweb for anything unrelated, that might not fully fit with previous expectations from real science.
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Another possibility - Sol88 has been mindlessly parroting the delusion of the Thunderbolts cult about comets for over 7 years now. The Thunderbolts cult also denies GR, e.g. Wal Thornhill has an irrational rant denying the detection of gravitational waves. Thus Sol88 may be parroting the cult's denial of the existence of black holes (the "howler" comment).
 
tusenfem said:
Field aligned currents are currents flowing along the magnetic field.
Birkeland currents are a special class of field aligned currents which are flowing in the Earth's magnetosphere, e.g. during the formation of the substorm current wedge.
Flux ropes are twisted magnetic structures generated by various processes, either on the sun or in the solar wind or in the magnetotail ...
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So do MAGNETIC FLUX ROPES also carry a current?
 
Sol88 said:
So do MAGNETIC FLUX ROPES also carry a current?
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Have you ever bothered reading the hypotheses that predated the missions to Halley? No? Why the **** am I not surprised? Give up. Your idiocy knows no bounds. The electric comet woo is dead. R.I.P.
 
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