Hans Peter Borer, Celfon + Pendulum = $1,000,000

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This claim just came in this morning.
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Dear Mr. Randi,
I can offer you two tests.
Test #1- By calling with a handy mobile the electromagnetic waves remain in the human body for a certain time, but also in other organic substances, as for example candle wax. With my pendulum I can find out, on which chip of ten candle wax - tea lights - the handy in wireless connection of at least 30 seconds has been hold. The number of wax chips is to be determined by you.
Test #2- Similar to the testy of Mr. Kurt Gerlach at Wurzburg, I can find out which of about 10 cardboard boxes is contained a handy. Other to Mr. Gerlach I pretend to lovalize the handy by its magnetic field, scientifically known, and not by earth rays, that are scientifically unknown. I use for this test my pendulum.

I hope you will accept me as claimant. - H.P. Borer

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Well, we understand the term "handy" to mean cellphone.

Based on our incomplete understanding of this claim, we have decided to accept it, and refer the applicant to our colleagues in Switzerland.
 
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Dear Mr. Kramer,

Regarding my application I inform you in the meantime I invented a pendulum with which I can determine the North/South pole direction without any other helps as knitting pin and tube.
I have not yet applied for petent of this invention but I have applied for patent of an other invention that can hold up electromagnetic waves by handys. When you put my <EMF Handy-cap TM<chip on the handy no electromagnetic charge enter or in the brain nor in a wax chip. I would also use my above mentioned pendulum to determine on which of about 10 wax chips has been hold a handy in wireless contact of about one minute and which of about 10 boxes contents a handy.

-Hans P. Borer

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Dear Mr. Borer,

I'm sorry, but I do not understand the nature of this email. Do you wish to change your claim?

-Kramer, JREF
 
I've had numerous emails from this applicant in German.

I responded by advising him that we only acccept communications in understandable English, but it was to no avail, as German emails continued to arrive in droves, apparently (from my limited knowledge of German) a series of protocol negotiations between the applicant and an investigator we never heard of.

Eventually I began to get emails in English making reference to a test. He seems to be running wild and entirely on his own, a bit like Kurtz in Heart of Darkness.

I re-stated the Challenge rules the applicant had chosen to ignore, and once again directed him to GWUP in Germany, telling him that no test would be acceptable to JREF without a JREF representative present.

What soon followed was the applicant insisting on being tested in Switzerland, despite the fact that he had been told repeatedly that no JREF associates could be secured in Switzerland.

Here is the most recent email exchange...

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Mr. Kramer informs me to contact your Mr. Amardeo Sarma regarding my tests acceptet by JREF. We are missing a representative of JREF in Switzerland to survey the tests. Could you please help us? Best regards, HP Borer

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Dear Mr Borer,

It has been explained to you before that there are no representatives of JREF in Switzerland, but you have refused to be tested in Germany. Note that we are not representatives of JREF in any official way, but we have done tests that were accepted by JREF as preliminary tests to the 1 Million $ Challenge.

In other words, JREF might entrust one of us with this status. However, we are very busy with our own tests, and it is doubtful that one of us will have the time to travel to Switzerland for this purpose, even if you were to pay for all our expenses.

Nevertheless, we can try but JREF would have to hire one of our experts, and you would have to cover the costs in advance.

Best wishes,
Dr. Martin Mahner
GWUP e.V.
Arheilger Weg 11
D-64380 Roßdorf
 
from H.P. Borer, 6-7-05

Please inform me what's going on. Thanks.
-Hans Peter Borer

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Dear Mr. Borer,

I would ask you the same thing.

We are in the USA. You are in Europe, which is where the testing of your claim will take place. What have you done to make this happen?

I thought that you were in touch now with Martin Mahner of GWUP, and I have some email exchanges between you and he
to support that belief.
 
Dear Mr. Kramer,
Mr. Mahner has refused to test me in Switzerland. I asked you whether you would accept Dr. Michael Bloch, a member of GWUP in Sitzerland to test me for JREF, but you did not answer that question.

-Hans Peter Borer

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Dear Mr. Borer,

I never received any such request from you.

I am not familiar with Dr. Michael Bloch. Please ask him to email me at his earliest convenience. I will attempt to confirm with GWUP that he represents them, and that he would be qualified to conduct this test on their behalf.
 
From Michael Bloch

Dear Mr Kramer,

You might not be familiar with me, but I am the one who told you that it takes only three hours from Mr Borer's place to Rossdorf, and that in Rossdorf the native language is the same as at Mr Borer's place. So there is really no reason for Mr Borer to insist on a test being done in Switzerland. Nevertheless, if he wins the 1 million I will pay for his gas.

-Michael Bloch

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Hello Mr. Bloch,

Thanks very much for your fast reply.

So, do I understand correctly that you will agree to help test
Mr. Borer if he travels to Rossdorf for testing?
 
What? ME CONFUSED?

Hello Mr Kramer,

As a lawyer I am definitely not the person who could assist in testing Mr Borer, though he lives only about 30 miles from my place. What I meant was that his refusing being tested in Germany seems irrational to me for he lives quite close to the German border and it shouldn't be a big thing for him to go to Rossdorf or Würzburg, *if* the GWUP team is willing to test him.

-Michael Bloch

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I sent the following reply to Mr. Bloch, with a "cc" to Amardeo Sarma at GWUP:

Dear Mr. Bloch,

I understand now, a little, I think.

But I am still confused. Why did Mr. Borer contact you, if you are a lawyer and not an investigator? Perhaps it is Mr. Borer who is confused.

Mr. Sarma, will you assist us in testing Mr. Borer if he agrees to travel to Rossdorf?
 
An Explanation from Mr. Bloch

I am a board member of GWUP, though I am a Swiss living in Germany. On the GWUP website my address is given as GWUP contact in Switzerland.

I suppose Mr Borer has found me there.

-Michael Bloch
 
Dear Mr. Borer,

I have received a reply from GWUP who say that they can test you in Rossdorf. They will not come to Switzerland. Are you willing to travel to Rossdorf for this purpose?

-Kramer, JREF

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Dear Mr. Kramer,

Please give me some days time to give you a reply.

-Hans Peter Borer

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OK, Mr. Borer.
 
Yawn

I tried to contact Mr. Hannes Mattl in Ascona over this weekend to ask him whether he would drive me to Rossdorf.
Up to now I could'nt contact him as his handy is off. Do I have other persons on my side to take part on the testing?
-Hans Peter Borer

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Dear Mr. Borer,
I don't understand what you are asking me, sir.
 
Boring

Dear Mr. Kramer,

Well, Dr. Bloch is investigator for JREF. Is it enough to have one person on my side, to follow the claim?

-Hans Peter Borer

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Sir,
I still do not understand your question.
 
Oy Vay

Sir,

If I am present allone at Rossdorf, is it OK? The investigator team of ETHZ would probably not come to Rossdorf.

-HP Borer

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Dear Mr. Borer,

If I understand you correctly, you are asking if you can come alone to Rossdorf. I do not understand why you are asking me this. Do you need someone other than yourself to demonstrate your claim?

Or are you refering to having a "witness" present? If you want a witness, bring one with you. We do not object to this.

And who is ETHZ?
 
Dear Mr. Kramer,

Now it is clear. ETHZ is Technical High School, Zürich (Dr. Vogt).
I agree to come to Rossdorf under the condition I do not have to pay Dr. Bloch or other investigators.

- Hans Peter Borer

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OK, Mr. Borer.

I am happy to hear that you can travel to Rossdorf for testing. That is good.

However, Dr. Bloch is a lawyer, and he feels that he is NOT qualified to conduct this test. It is up to you to work with GWUP on an acceptable test protocol, and make arrangements for testing.

Also, if there are any expenses involving the testing of your claim, they WILL be your responsibility. However, most investigators work as volunteers, and dowsing claims are usually very easy to test, so there may not be any expenses. But, if there are, you are responsible for them, according to the Challenge rules.
 
Test Results: FAILURE TO DEMONSTRATE

Hi Kramer,

This is to inform you about the test of the Swiss candidate Hans-Peter Borer, which took place last Saturday. He claimed to find a (switched-on) mobile phone with the help of a pendulum.

We gave him our standard test, consisting of 13 trials which in turn consist of a 1:10 set up each.

His result: 2 hits.

He now wants to be retested because he came up with various possible adverse factors responsible for this bad result.

Best wishes,
Dr. Martin Mahner
GWUP e.V.
Roßdorf, Germany

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Hello Dr. Mahner,

Thank you so much for investigating this claim for us.

Is it possible for you to email me a more detailed description of the Test so that our Challenge files might be as comprehensive as possible? Also, if you videotaped the test, we would also love to have a copy of that for our Challenge tapes library.

Once again, thanks for all your time and effort, and a special THANKS goes out to you from Randi.
 
From Martin Mahner of "GWUP"

Hans-Peter Borer was tested on August 27, 2005, in Würzburg from 9am - 1.30 pm. He claimed to detect a mobile phone hidden in a box by means of a pendulum. The mobile phone needed to be switched on, that is, ready to receive calls.

The test consisted of 13 trials. In each trial the claimant had to chose 1 box out of ten. That is, the phone was first placed, according to randomly drawn numbers from 1-10, in one of the 10 boxes by group A.

In step 2, the candidate entered the room and chose one of the 10 boxes. The result was checked by a third group, so that the candidate had no knowledge about his success or failure. The 3 protocols were compared only at the end of the 13 trials.

Before and after the double-blind test, an open test was conducted, i.e., the candidate knew the number of the box where the phone was hidden. In both cases, Borer was able to detect the phone in the given box. He had no complaints about the set up.

As for the statistics (see attachment), the first part of the test consisted of 13 1:10-trials. Required success rate: 7 out of 13. If the candidate were successful, a second test with 18 trials would take place, in which the candidate would have to achieve a result of 10 hits, totalling 17 hits in 31 trials. If the candidate fails the first test phase, no second phase takes place. Borer agreed to this arrangement, as he agreed with the whole set up.

-Martin Mahner, GWUP
 
This Applicant's Excuses:

This is from Martin Mahner of GWUP.

He claimed that he "forgot" that his cell phone contained an extra chip in order to "deflect" its electromagnetic fields. He developed this chip to protect himself from electrosmog. At home where he was successful he used a phone without that chip. Now the chip has disturbed the test. Nonetheless he gave us the phone, we used it and he failed.

Moreover, he claimed that he should have used some aluminum shields between the boxes in order to "separate" them properly. Needless to say, he could have done this if he wanted but he said the distance between the boxes is good enough. After all, he himself was allowed to place the boxes on the tables in whatever distance he wanted and with whatever insulation mechanisms. Finally, he was completely successful in the nonblind test, which we do both at the beginning and at the end!


Best, MM
 
Randi's Comment

Thank you for the summary, Martin!

This is an EXCELLENT example of an applicant who backs down following a proper test, and then blames US!

-James Randi
 
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