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24th October 2017, 12:47 AM | #41 |
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Well, now we will find out the real truth behind 911! After all, it is all connected. (Illuminati!!!)
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Some speculate that the files could show a connection between Oswald and Cuba and/or the USSR.
Assuming there is (however weak) evidence that Oswald got support from Moscow, could this affect the current pro-Russia sentiments amongst the Trump supporters? |
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So, JFK.....still dead? I guess we'll know otherwise if he surfaces in order to launch a lawsuit over these papers.
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29th October 2017, 01:50 PM | #59 |
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This is important. In my current living situation I sometimes can't escape hearing Fox News. My very (establishment-oriented) Republican mom watches, yet she still doesn't really like Trump. She asks me what I think and I say he's a pig, or an ******* depending on the issue, but *that doesn't mean he's always wrong*.
Being a complete neophyte in the JFK documents arena, I can't tell for sure what Trump's discretion was in releasing these records. I thought he had to do it, under a law mandating eventual release. I also wouldn't know what was/is missing if it comes to that. If there's a smoking gun other than Oswald's it's news to me. Except for Jack Ruby's, that is. And though I've always found it plausible that Oswald acted alone, that sequence of events seems kind of fishy. Has anyone ever floated similar theories about the assassination of RFK? Today we'd probably call that terrorism, but at the time, you could be Middle Eastern and commit a crime without it being part of a holy war, just possible anger over a territorial dispute. Anyway, I'd love to see someone boil down the points of the supposed JFK conspiracy. I've never had the patience to go through things myself. Is there a good summary of the issues anyone can recommend? |
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Very briefly, to avoid derailing the discussion.
Most JFK CTs hold that some powerful person or group decided to remove the President, and employed professional killers to do so. In most of those theories Oswald was deliberately set up as a patsy. An astonishing variety of people have been accused, including: The Mafia, Big Steel, the aircraft industry, the CIA, the FBI, the DIA, the NSA, Castro, Anti-Castro Cubans, the Vatican, Hearst, the British, the IRA, Northern Irish Protestants, the French, French drug dealers, Diem's family, the KKK, Venezuelans, Guatemalans, LBJ, the Defense Department and Joe DiMaggio. I'm sure I have missed more than I remembered. CTs are supported by the assertion that any evidence which does not support their theory is faked, and the real evidence suppressed. |
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Is Rafael Cruz still a free man?
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Didn't Trump say something about the only redactions being the names of living persons, or something like that?
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30th October 2017, 12:28 PM | #72 |
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Information related to the U.S. wiretapping of the Cuban Embassy in Mexico City was one of the main categories of information being withheld for reasons of protecting tradecraft. There was also some evidence of shenanigans related to regularly impersonating callers to try to lure other foreign agents and assets into making mistakes. There are some indications though that KGB knew exactly and completely what CIA et al were up to, even at the time.
Your point is valid that there can be tradecraft protected even over 50 years, and it can not be assumed to be harmless, it might be part of a complex chain of evidence that fills in a missing piece. But I think in this case we can unfortunately chalk up the fact that this stuff was still withheld because of just plain embarrassment. The U.S. still doesn't want to admit that we were owned by Russia for decades and were always playing catchup as far as intelligence services. |
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