Qureshi1_78
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Homeopathy does work
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geni
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Why would anyone be useing an electron microscope to detect low levels of belladonna? The most logical technique would probably be radio traceing. The problem is that your medium is water which kills a lot of methods stone dead (includeing electron microscopy).
If you dealing with it in tablet form you would pretty much have to seperate it from the matrix (it just might be posible to mass spec but it would be tricky).
If you dealing with it in tablet form you would pretty much have to seperate it from the matrix (it just might be posible to mass spec but it would be tricky).
Bronze Dog
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So, how can homeopathy work if there aren't any atoms of remedy left in the solvent?
I suspect you might make some vague reference to "vibrations" or the like, in which case, show your work.
Of course, I consider this particular line of inquiry into how it works pointless, since all the evidence I've seen seems to suggest the answer is "not at all."
Bronze Dog
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1) Fallacy: Shifting burden of proof. Homeopaths are the claimants. They have to do the work, at least until requests for independant replication.
2) (skipped, since the answer is "no.")
3) Fallacy: Shifting burden of proof. See 1), above.
4) (skipped, since the answer is "no.")
5) (skipped)
6) Fallacy: Shifting burden of proof. See 1), above.
And, of course, all of those questions are irrelevant until homeopaths demonstrate an effect.
And if there IS a "vibration", what are the units of measurement (herz? Do you include amplitude?)? What techniques and equipment are used to measure the vibration of a particular water molecule?
And then there's the why doesn't my drinking water "vibrate" with its dilutions of chlorine, lead, and e. coli toxin, but I'll start with the physical measurement questions first.
(sigh)
I tried homeopathy. I was that desperate to get well, I was willing to try anything. I even tried magnets.
Homeopathy didn't even have a placebo effect.
I really loath snake oil salesmen.
Better just to get the snake oil from the MDs
At least then you are reasonably assured that the FDA has certified that the medicine is indeed made of oil extract of snakes, and that it has an effectiveness determined by double-blind placebo controlled study.Better just to get the snake oil from the MDs
Bronze Dog
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It also lets you stick it to The Man by choosing an option with a smaller profit margin, since MDs have to do all that testing, manufacturing, quality control, and insurance coverage, whereas quacks can throw just about anything at you at exorbitant prices and remain blameless.
Dr. A Sheikh
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There is no such prove in practice that molecules do not exist. According to Dr. MAS there are molecules in the solvent. If you feel mas is incorrect in his interpretation, you can file your claim of one (or ten I don't have the exact figure) million ruppees offer. The offer is available at www.nchpakistan.com site.
Nucular
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Where? I can't see it there, and clearly neither can you, given that you don't even know how much the offer is for.
Sheikh, you seem to be having trouble amending the mistake in your signature. You can do this through choosing 'User CP' in the options at the top of this forum. Thanks.
Z
Variable Constant
And like everything else that comes out of pakistan, this offer is a fraud.
ETA: Sorry, that was an irrational and racist statement. Obviously, something from Pakistan must not be fraudulent.
Nucular
Illuminator
I also note that in the Main Menu on the left hand side, only 5 links out of the 34 in the list are 'dead'. One of these is marked "Cured Cases".
What to make of this?
Just as a note to Dr Sheik and Querershi, if they can get a picture of any component of belladonna in solution by electron microscopy then they should post it here becasue it would be extremely interesting. They should also submit it Science because it would represent electron microscopy at its ultimate resolution.
I don't think you would find many people here disagreeing with Dr Mas that there actual molecules in the solvent; of course there are copious molecules of solvent in the solvent. We do disagree with Dr Mas that are molecules of remedy (i.e. solute, e.g. belladonna, arnica, binary salts) in homeopathic preparations beyond 12C. We also dispute, for instance, that there are molecules of belladonna in solutions where only 10-45 g belladonna has been added to the solution, yet this is what Dr Mas maintains.
I don't think you would find many people here disagreeing with Dr Mas that there actual molecules in the solvent; of course there are copious molecules of solvent in the solvent. We do disagree with Dr Mas that are molecules of remedy (i.e. solute, e.g. belladonna, arnica, binary salts) in homeopathic preparations beyond 12C. We also dispute, for instance, that there are molecules of belladonna in solutions where only 10-45 g belladonna has been added to the solution, yet this is what Dr Mas maintains.
H'ethetheth
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It's nice to finally see this dicussion moving forward 
Mojo
Mostly harmless
It doesn't work?I also note that in the Main Menu on the left hand side, only 5 links out of the 34 in the list are 'dead'. One of these is marked "Cured Cases".
What to make of this?
Damnit damnit! Too obvious!
Dr. A Sheikh
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Dead links are put intentionaly. For those links you can visit www.nch.ipbfree.com forum. All cured cases are there.