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Old 28th August 2019, 06:03 PM   #1081
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-adm...215644038.htmlTrump administration says children of US troops born overseas do not have automatic citizenship
What the actual ****!?

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Old 28th August 2019, 06:15 PM   #1082
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Originally Posted by gregthehammer View Post
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-adm...215644038.htmlTrump administration says children of US troops born overseas do not have automatic citizenship
What the actual ****!?
Way to encourage the military to stay on and serve overseas!
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Old 28th August 2019, 06:24 PM   #1083
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Originally Posted by gregthehammer View Post
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-adm...215644038.htmlTrump administration says children of US troops born overseas do not have automatic citizenship
What the actual ****!?
He still hates John McCain that much.
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Old 28th August 2019, 06:26 PM   #1084
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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander View Post
Way to encourage the military to stay on and serve overseas!

Uh, the children of US Citizens are US Citizens no matter which country they are born in. That is basic law.
And, yeah, , this is going to make Donnie real popular among the troops...
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Old 28th August 2019, 06:27 PM   #1085
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Originally Posted by TragicMonkey View Post
He still hates John McCain that much.
That actually makes sense.
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Old 28th August 2019, 06:27 PM   #1086
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Originally Posted by TragicMonkey View Post
He still hates John McCain that much.
I think you are making a joke here, but the punch line is you might be right, Donnie really is that petty.
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Old 28th August 2019, 06:31 PM   #1087
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
Not a single mile milimeter of NEW wall has been built. Everything has been replacement for existing wall fence.
Fixed that for you.
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Old 28th August 2019, 06:33 PM   #1088
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
Fixed that for you.
Hey, don't fence me in!
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Old 28th August 2019, 06:40 PM   #1089
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Originally Posted by gregthehammer View Post
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-adm...215644038.htmlTrump administration says children of US troops born overseas do not have automatic citizenship
What the actual ****!?
Nothing like ordering soldiers overseas and then telling them their children born during that time aren't automatic citizens. I see Steven Miller's and Ken Cuccinelli's dirty little hands all over this. What douche bags! Jerks.
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Old 28th August 2019, 06:47 PM   #1090
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This is the official document apparently.

https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/...itizenship.pdf

I guess claiming it is fake news is not going to fly this time. At least it canít possibly fly with military personnel who would have seen it.
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Old 28th August 2019, 06:50 PM   #1091
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I understand this is aimed at kids who were adapted by US service people overseas or weres stepchildren because of a marriage. orBefore all you had to do in this case was present the certificate of adaptation and it was pretty much automatic, but now it has become a major legal hassle.
Still, guaranteed, this is going to cause huge resentment in the US Military.
This is so extremtly stupid that you have to question why Donnie would even go there.

Answer: he is pretty much under the thumb of Miller anc Cuninelli, whose hatred of anybody who is not a natural born citizen of the US knows no bounds. And, yeah,I think race has a lot to with this.
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Old 28th August 2019, 06:53 PM   #1092
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Originally Posted by angrysoba View Post
This is the official document apparently.

https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/...itizenship.pdf

I guess claiming it is fake news is not going to fly this time. At least it canít possibly fly with military personnel who would have seen it.
TO use a popular military expression when I was in the service,what a Charlie Foxtrot this is going to be for Alpha Hotel Trump.
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Old 28th August 2019, 07:04 PM   #1093
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
I understand this is aimed at kids who were adapted by US service people overseas or weres stepchildren because of a marriage. orBefore all you had to do in this case was present the certificate of adaptation and it was pretty much automatic, but now it has become a major legal hassle.
Still, guaranteed, this is going to cause huge resentment in the US Military.
This is so extremtly stupid that you have to question why Donnie would even go there.

Answer: he is pretty much under the thumb of Miller anc Cuninelli, whose hatred of anybody who is not a natural born citizen of the US knows no bounds. And, yeah,I think race has a lot to with this.
Itís weird.

The thing is that the document doesnít actually say that children born overseas to US soldiers are not citizens. It says that they are if they meet certain criteria.

I think it is also a little too complicated to have been thought up by Trump.
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Old 28th August 2019, 07:28 PM   #1094
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OH, I think the whole idea is to discourage US Servicemen from adapting kids who might not be of the right color....

Anybody who does not see that white nationalists Miller and Cucinelli are behind this is a moron.
But this is going to backfire on him, bigly.
And why? the number of kids involved is not that great. I guess hatred of people whose skin is not white knows no bounds.
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The circumstances under which one can claim natural born citizen status are mired in distinctions between mother and father and in or out of wedlock and, on the whole, utterly reprehensible. Basically it declares a lot of children of U.S. males bastards unless dad says otherwise.

There's a whole generation of middle-aged Vietnamese-Americans still trying to sort their status out to this day.
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Old 28th August 2019, 07:57 PM   #1096
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Uh, the children of US Citizens are US Citizens no matter which country they are born in. That is basic law.
Not being an American, that was my understanding as well. It applies for citizens of most countries.

Which suggests this is just another distraction from something more sinister and serious that the Trump administration is trying to skate over. Because I'm pretty sure that Dementia Don would not have thought of this all by himself. It sounds much more like the weird ultra-nationalist mindset of Obergruppenfuhrer Miller, or possibly Bolton although he is on the outer currently.

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And, yeah, , this is going to make Donnie real popular among the troops...
He says he supports them, but then he does stuff like this. Clearly he doesn't quite think things through.
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Jesus H. ******* Christ on a Pogo Stick!!! This is a new low even by his already Mariana Trench level standards!!! What kind of evil universe is this where such a foul beast can exist???
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Trump Tweets

Puerto Rico is one of the most corrupt places on earth. Their political system is broken and their politicians are either Incompetent or Corrupt. Congress approved Billions of Dollars last time, more than anyplace else has ever gotten, and it is sent to Crooked Pols. No good!....

....And by the way, Iím the best thing thatís ever happened to Puerto Rico!

That's a POE, right?
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OH, I think the whole idea is to discourage US Servicemen from adapting kids who might not be of the right color....
I don't know, let them adapt long enough and they might become white...
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Old 28th August 2019, 09:13 PM   #1100
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-adm...215644038.htmlTrump administration says children of US troops born overseas do not have automatic citizenship
What the actual ****!?
What an idiot. How is this anything the GOP wants to stand on?
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Nothing like ordering soldiers overseas and then telling them their children born during that time aren't automatic citizens. I see Steven Miller's and Ken Cuccinelli's dirty little hands all over this. What douche bags! Jerks.
What is it they get out of it? Are there that many little brown babies born to military servicepersons Miller et al want to exclude from the US?

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So it isn't immigrants that this piece of sociopathic-evil is against. (He wouldn't have married the women he chose). It's brown people he is against. Duh.

It seems that every time I think I can't be more shocked/stunned/horrified/disgusted/sickened, he jumps out of the water, shark-teeth exposed, and I think, 'we need a bigger boat'.
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With hurricane season starting up, seems like as good as time as any to remind everyone that Trump has raided the FEMA disaster relief fund in order to pay for his concentration camps migrant detention centers.
Just call them concentration camps. The right-wing outrage is fake. Why do I think that? Arpaio.

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Surely planning to commit crimes then abuse the pardon system to get away with it is an impeachable offense? Otherwise it renders any president above the law.
If the President had an affiliation of (D), it would be!

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I'm not so sure. Instructing someone to commit a crime and promising a pardon strikes me as crossing into sic semper tyrannis territory. Regardless of politics that sort of thing ought to be squelched hard.
How often do Republican politicians do as they ought, these days?

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I know. It's insane! Nancy Pelosi needs to get on board.
...I'm not convinced that she's not on board, honestly. I look more to the more Republican/corporate-leaning members of the Democrats that are likely to vote against action being taken at present. If a vote for even an impeachment inquiry is still almost certain to fail because of dissenting Democrats, I completely don't blame her for not pushing hard at that.

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Fox still has the #1 ratings, so basically anything they say gets to a very large audience. Anything short of condemnation for most of what Trump says helps him.
#1 on Cable News. Not #1 in general.

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-adm...215644038.htmlTrump administration says children of US troops born overseas do not have automatic citizenship
What the actual ****!?
Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Uh, the children of US Citizens are US Citizens no matter which country they are born in. That is basic law.
And, yeah, , this is going to make Donnie real popular among the troops...
It's a little more complicated than that - the kids in question are ones that are born to non-citizen US troops and government officials who are serving on foreign ground and... Actually, here, I'll let the policy clarification speak for itself.

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Policy Update Regarding Children of U.S. Government Employees or Service Members Employed or Stationed Abroad Who Were Born Outside the United States
Who This Policy Update Affects

This policy may affect children residing outside the United States who were born outside the United States to:

Non-U.S. citizen parents and adopted by a U.S. citizen U.S. government employee or U.S. service member after their birth;
Non-U.S. citizen parents, such as a lawful permanent resident U.S. government employee or U.S. service member who naturalized only after the child’s birth; or
Two U.S. citizen government employee or U.S. service member parents who do not meet the residence or physical presence requirements to transmit citizenship to their child at birth (or one non-U.S. citizen parent and one U.S. citizen parent who does not meet these requirements).
What's worse, though, is that this isn't the only recent change that is specifically targeting children.

USCIS Tells Kids with Cancer They Have 33 Days to Leave the US

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There are a small number of non-immigrant families who came legally, either to get medical treatment for seriously ill children (cancer, cystic fibrosis,epilipsy) that they couldn't get at home, or whose kids fell ill while visiting here. These families have been allowed to stay here using medical deferred action determinations, which means that they can stay here legally as long as the child (or other close relative) needs life-saving treatment in the United States. This option dates back to at least the 1970s, though the Obama administration may have mandated a more liberal application.

For whatever reason, the Trump administration has, with no announcement and no notice, started sending out letters to these families and telling them that they will no longer be allowed to stay on medical deferred action, and that they must leave — taking the kids with them — within 33 days of the date of the letter. (Some of the letters only arrived halfway through this ‘grace’ period.)
The Trump Administration, doing its best to get kids killed.

I hate having to say this again, but... I really don't like "Oh please won't you think of the children?" arguments. I find it much more reprehensible when children are being specifically targeted for acts of cruelty, though, which these days, the GOP JUST KEEPS DOING.

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What is it they get out of it? Are there that many little brown babies born to military servicepersons Miller et al want to exclude from the US?

Rule changes that erode at the underlying principles in play, allowing for more moves. Death by a thousand cuts, a bit like what the Republicans have been doing to women's right to an abortion. Also, moves like this can likely help pave the way for bigger moves.

Here's a shiny distraction, though!

Donald Trump: 'I keep whining and whining until I win'
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What is it they get out of it? Are there that many little brown babies born to military servicepersons Miller et al want to exclude from the US?

It's not just military service personnel but also employees of the consulates and embassies and any other US government outposts.

It's specifically attacking non-US-born citizens, i.e. immigrants who've become citizens. The examples they use in the wording of the regulation are pretty clear.

e.g. they can't touch Marcello. I'm a US Citizen by birth and he's thus a US Citizen. If I was a naturalized citizen, even an asylum seeker from, say, Cuba, by the fact that I don't maintain a residence in the US and haven't for seventeen years, they could exclude my son. This isn't to say that they won't try to close that particular "loophole"(in Miller-Cooch thinking) in the future, but right now they can't apply it to native-born Americans.
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If the President had an affiliation of (D), it would be!
Doesn't it make you nostalgic for the time when this was the height of controversy about if a President should be impeached
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It's not just military service personnel but also employees of the consulates and embassies and any other US government outposts.

It's specifically attacking non-US-born citizens, i.e. immigrants who've become citizens. The examples they use in the wording of the regulation are pretty clear.

e.g. they can't touch Marcello. I'm a US Citizen by birth and he's thus a US Citizen. If I was a naturalized citizen, even an asylum seeker from, say, Cuba, by the fact that I don't maintain a residence in the US and haven't for seventeen years, they could exclude my son. This isn't to say that they won't try to close that particular "loophole"(in Miller-Cooch thinking) in the future, but right now they can't apply it to native-born Americans.
Wow. If we don't get rid of Trump soon, Marcello may never want to live here anyway.

There are some things in that 'interpretation' about how many days a person living as an ex-pat had to live in the country (I didn't read it carefully, it's too aggravating). I recall when the stupid Obama birther crap was going on something in the law about the mother having to live in the US for a year when married to a foreign born national. I don't want to go find it but I remember being disgusted this applied to US women who lived outside the US marrying foreign born men. Their children wouldn't be US citizens unless the mother spent a year in the US after she turned 18, even if she was a citizen and the child should be US citizen like Marcello.

The whole mess is overwhelmingly disgusting. I hope someone is making those campaign commercials showing what a cruel man Trump is. I hope the Democrats don't wimp out on these issues because Trump has a white supremacists base.
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Doesn't it make you nostalgic for the time when this was the height of controversy about if a President should be impeached
Yes, but the suit was TAN! TAN, I tell ya! And we all know the reaction the GOP has to that color.
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Yes, but the suit was TAN! TAN, I tell ya! And we all know the reaction the GOP has to that color.
I'm sure everyone's seen the fashion police waxing ecstatic over Melania's sleeveless dress in France.
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I'm sure everyone's seen the fashion police waxing ecstatic over Melania's sleeveless dress in France.
Well that's because she's a real woman, not a trans-woman like Michael/Michelle
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Yes, but the suit was TAN! TAN, I tell ya! And we all know the reaction the GOP has to that color.
Was it really tan? Or was it actually... taupe? Tan's a good, wholesome three letter color. Taupe is the color of alerting the US' enemies of a secret plot with its name that only women and homos would know.
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
James Schultz is on CNN right now doing exactly that: Trump was joking.

That's their go-to whenever Trump says something they can't possibly defend.
I wonder how effective or common ďI was jokingĒ is as a defense to criminal charges.

I may ask Andrew Torrez to cover this on an upcoming Opening Arguments.
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Old 29th August 2019, 04:29 AM   #1112
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I understand this is aimed at kids who were adapted by US service people overseas
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OH, I think the whole idea is to discourage US Servicemen from adapting kids who might not be of the right color....
What's wrong with these kids? Are they not USB compatible?
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Old 29th August 2019, 04:40 AM   #1113
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What's wrong with these kids? Are they not USB compatible?
Well according to President Trump they're not USA compatible

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Old 29th August 2019, 04:51 AM   #1114
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Well according to President Trump they're not USA compatible
Damn you, sir.

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Old 29th August 2019, 06:10 AM   #1115
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Fox news has an opinion piece up "China isn't paying for Trump's tariffs, you are", which is quite curious indeed.

Also, 10 internet points to The Don.

eta 1:fixing my ridiculous bb coding
eta 2: same as 1

eta 3: And as most people will become aware today, James Mattis is in the news for his book which contains some generalised comments which may be taken as rebukes of trump's policies, specifically his isolationist stance slash disrespect to allies, which goes against what I would imagine is entrenched as a large part of the core of a serviceman.

I wonder if we'll hear trump tweet about this at all.

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Fox news has an opinion piece up "China isn't paying for Trump's tariffs, you are", which is quite curious indeed.

Also, 10 internet points to The Don.
Rupert Murdoch reportedly hates Trump. Fox has only thrown their support behind him because Murdoch thought that would make him the most amount of money. Perhaps he's decided that that time is up and he can make more money by slowly turning the ship, perhaps in time for the election next year. Perhaps he's decided that a critical stage has been reached in the investigations in to Trump, and the like, so has decided that now is the most prudent time to change stance.

Whatever the cause, it's fun to watch.
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Old 29th August 2019, 06:51 AM   #1117
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Why isn't the current hurricane named Donald?
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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim View Post
Rupert Murdoch reportedly hates Trump. Fox has only thrown their support behind him because Murdoch thought that would make him the most amount of money. Perhaps he's decided that that time is up and he can make more money by slowly turning the ship, perhaps in time for the election next year. Perhaps he's decided that a critical stage has been reached in the investigations in to Trump, and the like, so has decided that now is the most prudent time to change stance.

Whatever the cause, it's fun to watch.
It's certainly interesting, but I remain doubtful that the apparent schism will ever get very deep. I read - about a week ago - that it's Lachlan Murdoch who is more holding the Fox reins these days than is Rupert, and that same article suggested Lachlan is less of a trump fan than his father.

I tried to find the article earlier, but ended up distracted by an article about the CEO who replaced Ailes - Suzanne Scott - and her approach to running things.
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Uh, the children of US Citizens are US Citizens no matter which country they are born in. That is basic law.
And, yeah, , this is going to make Donnie real popular among the troops...
But of course not all people in the military are citizens, be they immigrants or say from american samoa(where many people do join the US military despite their non citizen status).

As long as they hate their immigrant coworkers it should be fine.
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Trumps tweets from the last three hours (before Swoopy gets here):

3 hrs - Puerto Rico is in great shape with Hurricane Dorian taking a largely different route than anticipated. Thank you to FEMA, first responders, and all, for working so hard & being so well prepared. A great result! The bad news, Florida get ready! Storm is building and will be BIG!

3 hrs - Hurricane Dorian looks like it will be hitting Florida late Sunday night. Be prepared and please follow State and Federal instructions, it will be a very big Hurricane, perhaps one of the biggest!

2 hrs - Crazy Lawrence O’Donnell, who has been calling me wrong from even before I announced my run for the Presidency, even being previously forced by NBC to apologize, which he did while crying, for things he said about me & The Apprentice, was again forced to apologize, this time.....

2 hrs - ....for the most ridiculous claim of all, that Russia, Russia, Russia, or Russian oligarchs, co-signed loan documents for me, a guarantee. Totally false, as is virtually everything else he, and much of the rest of the LameStream Media, has said about me for years. ALL APOLOGIZE!

2 hrs - The totally inaccurate reporting by Lawrence O’Donnell, for which he has been forced by NBC to apologize, is NO DIFFERENT than the horrible, corrupt and fraudulent Fake News that I (and many millions of GREAT supporters) have had to put up with for years. So bad for the USA!

1 hr - The Economy is doing GREAT, with tremendous upside potential! If the Fed would do what they should, we are a Rocket upward!

1 hr - The Farmers are going to be so happy when they see what we are doing for Ethanol, not even including the E-15, year around, which is already done. It will be a giant package, get ready! At the same time I was able to save the small refineries from certain closing. Great for all!
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