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Old 30th July 2020, 06:40 AM   #641
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Originally Posted by varwoche View Post
Presumably neither candidate would reach 270 electoral votes. The House then votes for POTUS and the Senate votes for VP. We could get President Biden and VP Trump!
Given the weird way the House votes in that case (one vote per state), Trump might well be "elected" POTUS if that happens.
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Old 30th July 2020, 06:41 AM   #642
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Originally Posted by varwoche View Post
Presumably neither candidate would reach 270 electoral votes. The House then votes for POTUS and the Senate votes for VP. We could get President Biden and VP Trump!
If there was no election, would there even be a sitting House and Senate ?
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Old 30th July 2020, 06:45 AM   #643
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Originally Posted by The Don View Post
President Trump is calling for the 2020 election to be delayed:



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53597975


edited to add.....

What would be the mechanism to achieve this ?

Could a compliant Senate and SCOTUS make it happen ?

It's not like we didn't see this type of thing coming. My highly uneducated opinion is that Trump likely knows that he won't win re-election and he is going to use stall tactics so that hopefully his numbers will go up. I do believe only Congress can change the date of election and that probably would not go his way so he'll try some other tactic.

I mean this man has gotten away with things that would have put other presidents behind bars, I don't understand why the party is protecting him so much while he is doing so much damage. I swear I'm living in some sort of nightmare.
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Old 30th July 2020, 06:45 AM   #644
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Originally Posted by The Don View Post
President Trump is calling for the 2020 election to be delayed:



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53597975


edited to add.....

What would be the mechanism to achieve this ?

Could a compliant Senate and SCOTUS make it happen ?
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No, the election is mandated in the Constitution. It would literally require an amendment, so state-by-state ratification in 2/3 of states. It’s not going to happen, any more than Trump is going to “start acting presidential.”
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With Universal Mail-In Voting (not Absentee Voting, which is good), 2020 will be the most INACCURATE & FRAUDULENT Election in history. It will be a great embarrassment to the USA. Delay the Election until people can properly, securely and safely vote???
I see this as a watershed moment for other Republicans. If they support it, they no longer deserve to be called American.
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Old 30th July 2020, 06:45 AM   #645
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Originally Posted by The Don View Post
If there was no election, would there even be a sitting House and Senate ?
I'm no Constitutional Scholar but I think in most cases you hold an elected position until you are "officially relieved."

Like the 22nd Amendment doesn't say "You can only be President for a total of 8 years," it says "You can only be a President for two terms" but nothing says how long a term is.
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Old 30th July 2020, 06:46 AM   #646
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If there was no election, would there even be a sitting House and Senate ?
If there is no election I don't think the house would take their vote. That only happens if there is an election and no one gets to 270 electoral votes. I think if there is no election at all, on Jan 20 Pelosi would become president as Trump & Pence's term would end.

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Old 30th July 2020, 06:46 AM   #647
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The Trump Presidency: Part 24

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
"But he's only doing it to distract us!" is valid, but if it works on his followers isn't the whole story.



Yeah he can destroy the country to distract us from his failures. I'd still rather he didn't.


I know. But honestly, he also says that everything is fine and our country is opening up etc. So why put off the election if everything is fine? It’s just contradictory BS every day. Wear a mask; masks are bad. Polls show me leading; let’s postpone the election. It’s exhausting and (most) people are tiring of it.

Also, these words from Trevor Noah - “we have reached the demon sperm stage of the Trump presidency.” His reality show should be moved from network TV to the Weekly World News.

ETA - my apologies to The Don - apparently Congress mandates the time and manner of the election so in theory they could delay it.

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Old 30th July 2020, 06:49 AM   #648
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Originally Posted by carlitos View Post
It’s exhausting and (most) people are tiring of it.
I was told people were "tiring" of Trump before he even got the Republican nomination in 2016.
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Old 30th July 2020, 06:50 AM   #649
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I swear I'm living in some sort of nightmare.
In the other timeline we're still in the impeachment trial over President Clinton's disastrous mishandling of the Covid-19 situation, which left several hundred Americans dead.
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In that timeline we all die from the “Benghazi virus.”
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Old 30th July 2020, 06:55 AM   #651
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Given the weird way the House votes in that case (one vote per state), Trump might well be "elected" POTUS in that happens.
That's right! Ugh.

The red states wouldn't need to cancel the election. They could simply fail to choose electors based on state of emergency.
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Old 30th July 2020, 07:05 AM   #652
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I was told people were "tiring" of Trump before he even got the Republican nomination in 2016.
Where? Maybe in political circles, but in the general populace, Trump seems to have that niche market of die hard fans where he does no wrong. They proudly wave his and the Confederate flag from the back of their trucks while trying to mow down protesters. Here in the deep south, Trump is like God. And the south is loud, so very loud.
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Old 30th July 2020, 07:10 AM   #653
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Which Trump tweet should we believe today?

Originally Posted by trump
“The Silent Majority will speak on NOVEMBER THIRD!!!”
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Originally Posted by carlitos View Post
Which Trump tweet should we believe today?

Originally Posted by trump
“The Silent Majority will speak on NOVEMBER THIRD!!!”
They will speak, and President Trump would sweep to victory were it not for the (tens of) millions of fraudulent votes cast by illegals, multiple voters and fake postal votes.
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Old 30th July 2020, 07:59 AM   #656
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Pointing out that Trump can't actually delay the election is missing the point.

- Trump's pretty good at doing thing he's can't do
- He's trying to invalidate the election, not actually delay it.

Trump wants it so as many of his followers as possible consider him the "rightful" President come November/January. He isn't concerned in the least that he can't technically according to Hoyle actually really delay the election.

Again he hasn't been playing the "Deep state is out to get me" tune for almost his entire Presidency just because he likes the melody.
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If there is no election I don't think the house would take their vote. That only happens if there is an election and no one gets to 270 electoral votes. I think if there is no election at all, on Jan 20 Pelosi would become president as Trump & Pence's term would end.
If there is no election, Biden would file a lawsuit. At that point SCOTUS, in effect, would decide who sits in the Oval Office on Jan 21.

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There must be a legal way for Congress to postpone an election. If all three segments of the New Madrid fault shifted 3 days before the election, then there would be a million people (spread over 8 states) looking for shelters with working utilities.
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There must be a legal way for Congress to postpone an election. If all three segments of the New Madrid fault shifted 3 days before the election, then there would be a million people (spread over 8 states) looking for shelters with working utilities.
The whole "You can do whatever you want as long as nobody stops you" thing I've often alluded to with Trump works both ways though.

If a (sane) President, Congress, and SCOTUS all agreed that election needed to be delayed by X amount of time due to Y valid reason... what would stop them?

Hypothetically this is why we have Electoral Voters instead of direct democracy, those 538 people could (again theoretically) maintain the election.
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Pointing out that Trump can't actually delay the election is missing the point.

- Trump's pretty good at doing thing he's can't do
- He's trying to invalidate the election, not actually delay it.

Trump wants it so as many of his followers as possible consider him the "rightful" President come November/January. He isn't concerned in the least that he can't technically according to Hoyle actually really delay the election.

Again he hasn't been playing the "Deep state is out to get me" tune for almost his entire Presidency just because he likes the melody.
Yes. You do raise two good points.

On the other hand, his philosophy may not be “I am certain that I cannot delay the election so I’ll just force my followers to question the legitimacy of the election.” It could be “They say that the president cannot single-handedly delay an election. But they are talking about ordinary presidents. I am the smartest, most powerful, most knowledgeable, most charismatic person to ever walk the Earth, so maybe I can cancel postpone an election. And even if I am not successful, I will have sown the seeds of doubt.”


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There is a certain danger in assuming that Trump is acting in a clever rational manner.
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“They say that the president cannot single-handedly delay an election. But they are talking about ordinary presidents. I am the smartest, most powerful, most knowledgeable, most charismatic person to ever walk the Earth, so maybe I can cancel postpone an election."
Or as Bill Maher put it "Stop telling Trump he can't do things! That's the kind of dare that gets him hard."
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There is a certain danger in assuming that Trump is acting in a clever rational manner.
Yeah the Left has been bad about pointing out over and over that Trump isn't acting rationally as if that's somehow the key to beating him.

A child who's thrown himself on the floor of the toy store and is kicking and screaming isn't acting rationally either. That doesn't make them easier to deal with.
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Told you so:

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I'm not thinking of a business opportunity. The virus is probably going to affect the whole tourist and hospitality industry negatively: travel agencies, airlines, cruise lines, theme parks and hotels.
We also know that he has no idea whatsoever what a virus or a pandemic is.
But he has already stated several times that he might try to stay in office if he is not reelected in November.
Declaring a state of emergency could be the way for him to cancel or postpone the primaries as well as the presidential election altogether - at least until a vaccine is ready if it ever is.
Having to cancel his own ego-boosting rallies might be the only thing preventing him from doing so.
Will Trump See Covid-19 as an Opportunity? (Feb. 26, 2020)

He has already cancelled his rallies, so what would be his motivation for stopping now?

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With Universal Mail-In Voting (not Absentee Voting, which is good), 2020 will be the most INACCURATE & FRAUDULENT Election in history. It will be a great embarrassment to the USA. Delay the Election until people can properly, securely and safely vote???
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Told you so:




He has already cancelled his rallies, so what would be his motivation for stopping now?

The Heritage Foundation, of all people, say that he has no authority, even with a state of emergency. Governors can declare states of emergency in their states and postpone elections, but they have to be rescheduled within a limited time period.

The article is from March and set up as "those paranoid Libs don't know what they're talking about", so I suppose they may change their tune.
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Support Patio Pizza and its wonderful owner, Guy Caligiuri, in St. James, Long Island (N.Y.). Great Pizza!!!
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Support Patio Pizza and its wonderful owner, Guy Caligiuri, in St. James, Long Island (N.Y.). Great Pizza!!!
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This seemed like a really strange nonsequiter, so I Googled the guy's name.

Long Island restaurant 'canceled' for flying Trump flag

That's the only non-Facebook, non-Reddit link that comes up. A customer complained about his restaurant on Facebook. Oh no.

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If only there was a package of measures to secure elections from fraud. A package like the one the dems put forwards on election security after the 2016 election?
The one that human-turtle hybrid sat on and ignored?
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I'm no Constitutional Scholar but I think in most cases you hold an elected position until you are "officially relieved."

Like the 22nd Amendment doesn't say "You can only be President for a total of 8 years," it says "You can only be a President for two terms" but nothing says how long a term is.
The 22nd Amendment doesn't specify, however the US Constitution does.

Article II, Section 1:

The executive power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his office during the term of four years, and, together with the Vice President, chosen for the same term, be elected, as follows:
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150,000 deaths, unemployment benefit expiring, and the worst economic quarter in 100 years. So Trump tweets something crazy to distract everyone. Go ahead and waste your time seriously analyzing it; you may as well study your navel.
Bingo!

People (as in the country) haven't learned this is his pattern. Can't hold a rally to get press coverage, say something outrageous. He just likes craves the attention.
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We didn't delay elections in 1862 or 1864 during the Civil War. We didn't delay elections in 1918 during the Spanish Flu which killed for more people then COVID. Didn't delay for either world war. But we need to because the sitting president asserts that there will be widespread voter fraud with no evidence?

We're going to test just how resilient we are as a democracy this year.
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We didn't delay elections in 1862 or 1864 during the Civil War. We didn't delay elections in 1918 during the Spanish Flu which killed for more people then COVID. Didn't delay for either world war. But we need to because the sitting president asserts that there will be widespread voter fraud with no evidence?

We're going to test just how resilient we are as a democracy this year.
Yeah but we're being reassured that everything is fine because "The rules say he can't do that!" which is roughly as reassuring as having a man with a hockey mask hacking your door down with a machete, calling 911, and being assured by the operated "Oh don't worry, murder is illegal! He can't kill you!" and then hanging up on you.
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With Universal Mail-In Voting (not Absentee Voting, which is good), 2020 will be the most INACCURATE & FRAUDULENT Election in history. It will be a great embarrassment to the USA. Delay the Election until people can properly, securely and safely vote???
But we must open the schools promptly!
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If there is no election I don't think the house would take their vote. That only happens if there is an election and no one gets to 270 electoral votes. I think if there is no election at all, on Jan 20 Pelosi would become president as Trump & Pence's term would end.
This is from the legal eagle YouTube channel that did an episode about this a few months back...

With no election this is what would happen...

- trump is out (it's in the constitution). So is pence and the rest of Trump's cabinet

- everyone in the house is out (since their term is 2 years). So, no Pelosi presidency

- any senators up for reelection are out. So you only have 2/3rds of the senate left. Since the Republicans are defending more seats, they would lose the majority and the democrats would take over

- without trump/trump boot-lickers/Pelosi around, the next in line to replace trump would be the president pro-tempore of the senate. With the democrats now in control of the senate, that job would probably fall to the longest serving democratic senator still in office.

That is of course what "legally" would happen... A military coup or blatant ignoring of the laws by the courts would be necessary to change that.

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Old 30th July 2020, 09:40 AM   #675
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Could Trump somehow (or does he think he can somehow) delay the Presidential election but not the Congressional one?
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Old 30th July 2020, 09:49 AM   #676
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
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Could Trump somehow (or does he think he can somehow) delay the Presidential election but not the Congressional one?
The date for the election is in the constitution.

(And so is the length of his term... Even if bysome miracle the Presidential election was delayed past February, hi is out of a job on inauguration day, and next in line would be speaker of the house.

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Old 30th July 2020, 09:57 AM   #677
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Pompeo just claimed Bill Barr will decide whether the election is delayed.
I thought that power laid with Congress?

I think the coup is under way
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Old 30th July 2020, 10:00 AM   #678
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Originally Posted by Armitage72 View Post
The article is from March and set up as "those paranoid Libs don't know what they're talking about", so I suppose they may change their tune.

There's this one from April! Also didn't age well. But got a lot of new comments today.

Quote:
@JoeBiden
said yesterday that
@realDonaldTrump
intends to delay the election. He knows that’s false and should apologize. My latest for
@realDonaldTrump
Henry Olsen tweet (Twitter, April 24, 2020)
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Old 30th July 2020, 10:01 AM   #679
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Pompeo just claimed Bill Barr will decide whether the election is delayed.
I thought that power laid with Congress?

I think the coup is under way
Need a link.
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Old 30th July 2020, 10:01 AM   #680
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Yeah the Left has been bad about pointing out over and over that Trump isn't acting rationally as if that's somehow the key to beating him.

A child who's thrown himself on the floor of the toy store and is kicking and screaming isn't acting rationally either. That doesn't make them easier to deal with.
Are you saying it's time for a spanking?
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