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Old 15th November 2020, 12:44 PM   #2881
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Originally Posted by dann View Post
Notice that this is actually news in Sweden:

The coronavirus is not transmittedy only through droplets – it can also be airborne, according to new Swedish study.
New study: The coronavirus can be transmitted through the air – was found in the ventilation system of hospital

This one was also mentioned by Radio Sweden:
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The particles were found in the ventilation system at Uppsala University Hospital, including on the top floor of the building, far away from Covid-19 wards, a study shows.
During the pandemic, droplet transmission has been considered the most significant transmission route for Covid-19.
The findings suggest airborne infection may be a greater risk than previously thought, Erik Salaneck, researcher and infectious disease doctor at the University Hospital tells Swedish Radio.
Virus particles found in hospital ventilation system (SverigesRadio.se, Nov. 13, 2020)
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Old 15th November 2020, 12:59 PM   #2882
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What? That is seriously irresponsible as opioids suppress ease of breathing not alleviate it.

They have started doing it again in Uppsala, apparently:
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Elderly Covid-19 are prescribed medicine that can worsen their condition

And they defend their use of the "palliative cocktail':
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– Man ger ju inte de medlen för att de är andningsdämpande utan man ger ju de för att de är smärtlindrande, säger Thomas Lidén.
– You don't give them this medication because it suppresses breathing, you do it because they it eases the pain, says Thomas Lidén.
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Old 16th November 2020, 01:34 AM   #2883
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Sunday:
Coronavirus - countries (Worldometers, Nov. 15, 2020)
Deaths per million (Total deaths) New cases Serious/Critical
Sweden: 609 (6,164) 5,990* 137* **according to SVT.se No new numbers Saturday, Sunday and Monday.
Denmark: 131 (760) 1,058* 45 *based on 73,690 tests, 1.4 % positives
Iceland: 73 (25) 3 3
Finland: 67 (369) 213 15
Norway: 54 (294) 532 29
Iceland has 351 active cases, Faroe Islands 3, New Zealand 58.
The Faroe Islands have 7 in quarantine, 0 hospitalized.
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Yesterday saw the first positive Covid test in one week.
The infected person, who tested positive upon arrival to the Faroes, has been isolated and contact tracing is underway.
One new Covid case (KVF.fo, Nov. 15, 2020)
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Old 16th November 2020, 01:48 AM   #2884
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Covid-19 reinfections:
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För två veckor sedan testade narkosläkaren Andreas Longueville positivt för covid-19 – för andra gången.
Just nu undersöker Folkhälsomyndigheten omkring 150 fall av återinsjuknade i corona. Enligt myndigheten tyder mycket på att även den som insjuknar en andra gång har ett visst skydd.
150 återinsjuknade utreds – läkaren Andreas smittades två gånger (DagensNyheter.se, Nov. 14, 2020)
Two weeks ago, anesthesiologist Andreas Longueville tested positive for Covid-19 – a second time.
The Public Health Agency is currently studying about 150 cases of reinfection with corona. According to the authorities, much seems to indicate that even people who fall ill a second time have a certain protection.
150 cases of reinfection are being studied – the doctor Andreas was infected twice

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– Det är förväntat att man får återinfektion, men man vet inte när de flesta får det. Det finns individuella faktorer bakom det, bland annat hur på tå immunförsvaret är vid den andra infektionen. Det verkar också bero på hur kraftfull infektionen var vid det första tillfället, säger Karin Tegmark Wisell, överläkare och avdelningschef på Folkhälsomyndigheten, till DN.
Johan Tham, överläkare och docenten på infektionskliniken på Skånes universitetssjukhus Malmö, säger till DN att han inte tror att bristen på antikroppar är den enda förklaringen till att personer kan smittas igen.
– Det skulle också kunna ha att göra med att viruset har ändrat utseende, säger han till tidningen.
FHM undersöker återinsjuknande i corona (Sydsvenskan.se, Nov. 14, 2020)
It is to be expected that you get reinfected, but we don’t know when most people get it. It depends on individual factors, among other things on how alert the immunesystem is when the second infection occurs. It also seems to depend on how powerful the infection was the first time, says Karin Tegmark Wisell, chief surgeoun and head of the department at the Public Health Agency.
Johan Tham, chief surgeon and associate professor at the infection ward at the Scania University Hospital in Malmö, tells Dagens Nyheter that he doesn’t think that the lack of antibodies is the only explanation why people get infected again.
– It might also be due to the virus having changed its shape, he tells the newspaper.
The Public Health Agency studies people who get reinfected with corona

If Sweden already has 150 cases, I doubt that this is any good: Covid-19 Reinfection Tracker
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Old 16th November 2020, 01:54 AM   #2885
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Danish media have discovered the Australian success story - at long last:
Australsk delstat var hårdt ramt - nu har de ikke haft et eneste smittetilfælde i 17 dage (TV2.dk, Nov. 15, 2020)
Australian state hard hit – now they haven’t had a single case in 17 days

The Danish article is mainly based on this article in the Guardian:
Packed crowds and euphoric leaders: Australia revels in Covid-free days (Guardian, Nov. 15, 2020)
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Old 16th November 2020, 01:55 AM   #2886
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Covid-19 reinfections:

Two weeks ago, anesthesiologist Andreas Longueville tested positive for Covid-19 – a second time.
The Public Health Agency is currently studying about 150 cases of reinfection with corona. According to the authorities, much seems to indicate that even people who fall ill a second time have a certain protection.
That's something to keep an eye on - that's a large number when it seemed second infections were very rare.
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Old 16th November 2020, 02:34 AM   #2887
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Second infections were very rare*, but it's a very young disease, so we shouldn't be so impatient with it.
Many experts, not least in Sweden, have tended to dismiss the few cases that did exist. Acknowledging what they might mean ruined their high hopes for herd immunity.

*ETA: It is an even larger number when you consider that the vast majority of people who came down with Covid-19 symptoms in Sweden were never tested unless they were hospital staff or about to be hospitalized.
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Old 16th November 2020, 03:51 AM   #2888
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Face masks:
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Men underlaget som tittar på just munskydd kommer från tre studier i Kina och Vietnam.
– Tre mindre studier i Asien räcker inte för att säga att munskydd till alla är bra. I dagsläget finns det inga bra stora studier gjorda i västvärlden, säger Kjell Torén, överläkare vid Sahlgrenska sjukhuset och forskare i samhällsmedicin och folkhälsa vid Sahlgrenska Akademin, Göteborgs Universitet
Hjälper munskydd mot corona? (SVT.se, Nov. 15, 2020)
But the data about face masks is from three studies in China and Vietnam.
– Three minor studies in Asia do not suffice to say that face masks are good for everybody. For the time being, there aren o good big studie carried out in the western world, says Kjell Torén, chief physician at Sahlgrenska Hospital and researcher of societal medicine and public health at Sahlgrenska Academy, University of Gothenburg.
Do face masks help against corona?
Asians, it seems, don’t know anything about infectious diseases or how to protect people from getting them, so there is nothing we can learn from their studies, right?! Just take a look at the deaths per million in China and Vietnam. They obviously can’t teach white Europeans anything! And since face masks have already been deemed dangerous in Sweden, the population needs to be protected from them.

Svensk minister vil 'ikke tøve med at lukke skoler' efter stigende smitte (TV2.dk, Nov. 15, 2020)
Swedish minister will ’not hesitate to lock down schools’ after rising number of infections

Experterna: Snart samma coronalage som i april (Aftonbladet.se, Nov. 15, 2020)
The experts: Soon the corona situation will be like in April
In about two weeks, they predict, if the pandemic isn’t tackled head on.
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Old 16th November 2020, 05:01 AM   #2889
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Professor: Sverige behöver en nedstängning (SVT.se, Nov. 16, 2020)
Professor: Sweden needs a lockdown

Rekordmånga vill testa sig – men regionerna klarar inte efterfrågan (SVT.se, Nov. 15, 2020)
A record number of people want to get tested, but the regions can’t handle the demand

Statsministern blixtinkallar till pressträff (Aftonbladet.se, Nov. 16, 2020 – 12:20)
The Swedish PM announces urgent press briefing at 14:30 today It is expected to be about new restrictions.

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Mobbningen av svenskar i Norge är oacceptabel och de nationalistiska strömningarna riskerar att långsiktigt skada det nordiska samarbetet. Det anser utrikeshandelsminister Anna Hallberg (S) och konstaterar att Norge till skillnad från Danmark och Finland valt att inte göra delregionala lösningar.
Ministern om coronaföraktet mot svenskar: ”Kan sätta lite djupare spår” (DagensNyheter.se, Nov. 16, 2020)
The bullying of Swedes in Norway is inacceptable, and the nationalist trends may cause long-term harm to Nordic cooperation, according to minister of foreign trade, Anna Hallberg (Social Democrat). She points out that Norway, unlike Denmark and Finland, have chosen not to find regional solutions.
The minister about the Norwegian corona contempt for Swedes: ”May leave slightly deeper scars”

For some reason, Swedish politicians get very upset whenever they notice that their business-as-usual approach to the pandemic isn’t shared by neighbouring countries.
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Old 16th November 2020, 05:28 AM   #2890
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They have started doing it again in Uppsala, apparently:

Elderly Covid-19 are prescribed medicine that can worsen their condition

And they defend their use of the "palliative cocktail':

– You don't give them this medication because it suppresses breathing, you do it because they it eases the pain, says Thomas Lidén.
Whilst it may be useful in terminal cancer treatment it is hardly beneficial to patients suffering from Covid19 even iff they have ARDS as respiratory distress is not to do with 'pain' but mounting panic over not being able to breathe.

I believe a morphine mixture was Harold Shipman's MO for despatching his elderly folk under his 'care' off (I use this term advisedly, as he was subsequently convicted of the murder of up to 243 people).
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Old 16th November 2020, 07:51 AM   #2891
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I believe a morphine mixture was Harold Shipman's MO for despatching his elderly folk under his 'care' off ...

It was.
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Shipman was particularly close to his mother, who died of lung cancer when he was aged 17. Her death came in a manner similar to what later became Shipman's own modus operandi: in the later stages of her disease, she had morphine administered at home by a doctor. Shipman witnessed his mother's pain subside, despite her terminal condition, until her death on 21 June 1963.
Harold Shipman: Early life and career (Wikipedia)

I just finished listening to the Swedish government's press briefing. Infuriating.

On the one hand, they have actually realized that more restrictions are necessary, but on the other hand they still insist that they were doing everything right six months ago. The only reason why more restrictions are now necessary is that the Swedes no longer follow the restrictions the way they did doing the first wave. They mention that the virus was much more wide-spread back then, but when asked if that doesn't imply that it would have been a good idea to have introduced harder restrictions back then, they (i.e. Johan Carlson) say that, no, it wouldn't, because back then people obeyed the restrictions!

They seem to be as incapable of seeing their own contradictions in term as Donald Trump. Blame-shifting is the name of the game.

The question of face masks also came up, and the answer was that face masks are allowed, they aren't banned, so people can use them if they feel like it. But since Swedes have been told so many times that face masks are dangerous, I seriously doubt that more people will start using them.

So all in all: The disobedience of Swedes who allegedly no longer listen to the recommendations of their authorities is the reason why the virus is spreading, and face masks are no good because "you can’t solve a situation of crowding by means of face masks."

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Old 16th November 2020, 10:17 AM   #2892
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It was.



I just finished listening to the Swedish government's press briefing. Infuriating.

On the one hand, they have actually realized that more restrictions are necessary, but on the other hand they still insist that they were doing everything right six months ago. The only reason why more restrictions are now necessary is that the Swedes no longer follow the restrictions the way they did doing the first wave. They mention that the virus was much more wide-spread back then, but when asked if that doesn't imply that it would have been a good idea to have introduced harder restrictions back then, they (i.e. Johan Carlson) say that, no, it wouldn't, because back then people obeyed the restrictions!

They seem to be as incapable of seeing their own contradictions in term as Donald Trump. Blame-shifting is the name of the game.

The question of face masks also came up, and the answer was that face masks are allowed, they aren't banned, so people can use them if they feel like it. But since Swedes have been told so many times that face masks are dangerous, I seriously doubt that more people will start using them.

So all in all: The disobedience of Swedes who allegedly no longer listen to the recommendations of their authorities is the reason why the virus is spreading, and face masks are no good because "you can’t solve a situation of crowding by means of face masks."

Conform!
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OBEY!
It is a shocking attitude. We saw it in Trump the other day when he said no way would he ever bring in a lockdown. Meanwhile 30,000 Americans a day are testing positive. Then there is Johnson giving mixed messages. Reluctant to upset people, with the scientists kicking his ass to be more decisive.

It is crazy; they make out they don't believe in a nanny state but wait, a person who knowingly infects another with AIDS can get life, so how is SARS2 any different? If someone who knows they are Covid19 positive or knows they have come into contact with someone who is, they are just as culpable of spreading the disease to the innocent uninfected people they meet and breathe over as someone who spreads AIDS.
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30,000 was a l-o-n-g time ago in terms of the pandemic.
The number is already at 66,000* today, and still rising, and it may reach 200,000 a day this week.

But I agree. A governor or employer who forces people to work and commute under conditions exposing them to a deadly and crippling disease should be court-martialed.
A death toll of 250,000 in the USA alone at this point is grotesque.

By the way, take a look at this article and the graph of the per-capita number of new cases per week in European countries: Registrerede smittede pr. 100.000 indbyggere. Finland is top of the class!
Sveriges regering vil forbyde forsamlinger på mere end otte personer: - Gå ikke if fintess og aflys middagene (DR.dk, Nov. 16, 2020)
Sweden's government will ban gatherings of more than eight - Do not go to the gym and cancel dinner parties


*ETA: Now it has risen to 74,000.
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USA's number of new cases ended at 162,000 yesterday.

Monday:
Coronavirus - countries (Worldometers, Nov. 16, 2020)
Deaths per million (Total deaths) New cases Serious/Critical
Sweden: 609 (6,164) 5,990* 137* **according to SVT.se No new numbers Saturday, Sunday and Monday.
Denmark: 132 (764) 1,195* 44 *based on 70,096 tests, 1.4 % positives
Iceland: 73 (25) 16 3
Finland: 67 (371) 104 13
Norway: 54 (294) 548 32
Iceland has 340 active cases, Faroe Islands 3, New Zealand 58.
The Faroe Islands have 7 in quarantine, 0 hospitalized.
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Denmark:
Professor advarer om pres på sundhedsvæsenet: Vi begynder at nærme os en grænse (DR.dk, Nov. 16, 2020)
Professor warns about pressure on the health-care system: We are approaching a limit
We hear that the number is ’stable’, but even the experts seem to forget that when it ’stabilizes’ at this level, several people every day will need to be hospitalized, many will need to be placed in ICUs and some of them will die.


Sweden:
Regionens uppmaning till skidåkarna: ”Kom inte hit!” (Expressen.se, Nov. 16, 2020)
The region’s appeal to ski tourists: ”Stay away!”

Vad hände med ”planera för det värsta”? (Aftonbladet.se, Nov. 16, 2020)
What happened to ”planning for the worst-case scenario”?

WHO uppmanar: Sverige bör överväga munskydd (SvenskaDagbladet.se, Nov. 16, 2020)
WHO urges: Sweden should consider face masks
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The Late Show with Stephen Colbert, Nov. 17, 2020:
Herd Immunity Isn't The Only Thing Sweden Got Horribly Wrong
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Scott Atlas, the man advising our current president on the Coronavirus pandemic, has argued that the United States should follow Sweden's example and focus on achieving herd immunity. Stephen looks into how that policy has been going for the Swedes.

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The subtitles mention the chief epidemiologist 'Anders Headmel', but I think we all know whom Colbert is talking about.

There is also an excerpt from the well-known ABBA song:
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Covid-19
No vaccine
Go back to quarantine
I know that the Ozzies will appreciate this.
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Sweden is a foreign country; they do things differently there. Continued ...

Dödsorsakerna i Sverige – covid-19 tredje vanligaste orsaken (SVT.se, Nov. 17, 2020)
Causes of death in Sweden – Covid-19 is the third most common cause of death in Sweden - after cardio-vascular diseases and cancer

Oro bland lärare under pandemin: ”Fysiskt kan vi inte hålla avstånd” (SVT.se, Nov. 17, 2020)
Anxiety among teachers during the pandemic: ”We cannot practice social distancing physically”

Studie: 5 procent av anställda på äldreboenden i Stockholm smittade (SVT.se, Nov. 16, 2020)
Study: 5 percent of staff at nursing homes in Stockholm infected

Professor i medicin: ”Kör över FHM och förorda munskydd” (SvenskaDagbladet.se, Nov. 17, 2020)
Professor of medicine: ”Ignore the Public Health Agency and recommend face masks”

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WHO har uppmanat Sverige att införa krav på munskydd.
Nu svarar Anders Tegnell:
– Varje land måste göra det som är bäst för landet och det är svårt för någon från en annan institution eller nivå att egentligen göra en bedömning, säger han
Tegnells svar – efter WHO:s uppmaning (Expressen.se, Nov. 17, 2020)
WHO has called on Sweden to make face masks mandatory.
Now Anders Tegnell answers:
– Every country must do what is best for the country, and it is difficult for somebody from another institution or level to actually assess the situation, he says
Tegnell’s answer – after WHO’s warning

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Det anses inte comme-il-faut att använda munskydd i Sverige, inte ens i sammanhang där det är särskilt viktigt. Det skriver Lena Einhorn – och varnar för att priset kan bli högt.
”Farligt grupptänk om munskydd bland svenskar” (SvenskaDagbladet.se, Nov. 3, 2020)
It is not considered to be comme-il-faut to wear face masks in Sweden, not even in situations where it is particularly important, according to Lean Einhorn, who warns that the price may be high.
”Dangerous group thinking about face masks among Swedes”

I think that ”group thinking” is what I usually refer to at Swedish consensus culture.
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Old 17th November 2020, 04:51 AM   #2898
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Sweden introduces harsh new coronavirus restrictions (SkyNews.com.au, Nov. 17, 2020)
Sweden stages coronavirus U-turn, banning public events with more than eight people (MarketWatch, Nov. 16, 2020)
Sweden bans public events of more than eight people (TheLocal.se, Nov. 16, 2020)
COVID-19: Public gatherings (Public Health Agency of Sweden)
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The number of new cases in Sweden:
Tuesday, Sep. 15: 840 - since Friday, according to SVT.se
Tuesday, Sep. 22: 1,199 - since Friday, according to SVT.se
Tuesday, Sep. 29: 1,543 - since Friday, according to SVT.se
Tuesday, Oct. 6: 1,862 - since Friday, according to SVT.se
Tuesday, Oct. 13: 2,203 - since Friday, according to SVT.se
Tuesday, Oct. 20: 3,180 - since Friday, according to SVT.se
Tuesday, Oct. 27: 5,191 - since Friday, according to SVT.se
Tuesday, Nov. 3: 10,177 - since Friday, according to SVT.se
Tuesday, Nov. 10: 15,779 - since Friday, according to SVT.se
Tuesday, Nov. 17: 15,084 - since Friday, according to SVT.se

The number of new registered cases has obviously gone down since last week, but when asked at the press briefing today if this might be due to the many problems with testing currently, Anders Tegnell could't tell to what extent this might have influenced the number. Asked about the effect of recent restrictions, he answered, "At least the spread is not increasing as much as it did before."
I doubt that it is possible to say so with any certainty in the present situation.

Today, the new number of registered deaths increased by 61. Last Tuesday, Nov. 10, the number was 35, but new Covid-19 deaths in Sweden may be registered several days after they occur.
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* WHO says "face masks work" and advises countries consider using them in situations where the risk of transmission is high.
* But the Public Health Agency in Sweden is not prepared to recommend face masks at this stage.
* "You don't solve an issue of crowding with face masks. You first have to deal with the crowding. If that is completely impossible to deal with, then we would be in a different situation, but we are not there yet," said Johan Carlson, director general of the Public Health Agency.
WHO recommends face masks "in crowded settings" (SverigesRadio.se, Nov. 17, 2020)
I have no idea why you first have to deal with crowding. There is no reason whatsoever why you wouldn't be able to deal with crowding while having people wear face masks.
WHO has also not suggested that face masks should replace social distancing. Dr. Michael Ryan, executive director, WHO health emergencies program, makes it very clear that face masks are recommended to be used in addition to social distancing and other measures, not to "solve an issue of crowding," as Johan Carlson puts it.

It's another one of those totally irrational answers from Swedish authorities.


WHO: Sverige bör använda munskydd (Expressen.se, Nov. 17, 2020).
WHO: Sweden should use face masks (The short video, 1 min 20 sec, with Michael Ryan is in English.)

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“This is the new norm for the entire society,” Lofven said, adding that Swedes were not observing coronavirus recommendations as well they had in the spring. “Don’t go to gyms, don’t go to libraries, don’t host dinners. Cancel,” he said.
(...)
“It’s going to get worse,” Löfven said. “Do your duty and take responsibility for stopping the spread of the virus. In the spring we saw large compliance. It was enough to have recommendations to get most people to keep their distance and cancel their plans. Now there is less compliance.”
Sweden limits public gatherings to eight people amid Covid surge (Guardian, Nov. 16, 2020)

And we all know how wonderful Sweden's "large compliance" worked in the spring ...
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The Late Show with Stephen Colbert, Nov. 17, 2020:
Herd Immunity Isn't The Only Thing Sweden Got Horribly Wrong



The subtitles mention the chief epidemiologist 'Anders Headmel', but I think we all know whom Colbert is talking about.

There is also an excerpt from the well-known ABBA song:

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Covid-19
No vaccine
Go back to quarantine

I know that the Ozzies will appreciate this.

Wow. The precise moment I started reading this, Dancing Queen came on the radio! Listening to it now.
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I have no idea why you first have to deal with crowding. There is no reason whatsoever why you wouldn't be able to deal with crowding while having people wear face masks.
WHO has also not suggested that face masks should replace social distancing. Dr. Michael Ryan, executive director, WHO health emergencies program, makes it very clear that face masks are recommended to be used in addition to social distancing and other measures, not to "solve an issue of crowding," as Johan Carlson puts it.

It's another one of those totally irrational answers from Swedish authorities.


WHO: Sverige bör använda munskydd (Expressen.se, Nov. 17, 2020).
WHO: Sweden should use face masks (The short video, 1 min 20 sec, with Michael Ryan is in English.)




And we all know how wonderful Sweden's "large compliance" worked in the spring ...
Bonkers. Here in Finland they initially SHUT all the libraries and then they reopened but you had to order titles in advance and check the books in and out yourself at a limited part of the library on touch screens which read barcodes.

What is wrong with Sweden? Sometimes you have to be a nanny and tell people what to do. If everybody in the supermarket is wearing a mask then all the 'Lisbeths' won't feel self-conscious about following suit and will probably feel relieved, not to mention the shop assistants appreciating the consideration shown towards them.
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Coronavirus - countries (Worldometers, Nov. 17, 2020)
Deaths per million (Total deaths) New cases Serious/Critical
Sweden: 609 (6,225) 15,084* 167 *Since Friday, according to SVT.se
Denmark: 132 (768) 1,220* 41 *based on based on 68,750 tests. The R0 (or ’contact number’) has risen from 0.9 last week to 1.1 now.
Iceland: 73 (25) 10 4
Finland: 67 (371) 228 13
Norway: 55 (298) 600 37
Iceland has 302 active cases, Faroe Islands 3, New Zealand 61.
The Faroe Islands have 9 in quarantine, 0 hospitalized.
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What is wrong with Sweden?

In early spring of 2020, it was the herd immunity strategy. The authorities have been lying about that since the beginning, pretending that the Swedish strategy was scientific, evidence-based, and thus indisputable. And since ordinary Swedes tend to have the same attitude to the authorities that Trumpistas have to Trump, they have stubbornly been trying to make some kind of sense of the shifting recommendations from the government and the Public Health Agency (PHA).
In other words, Swedish consensus culture is a cult, which makes it very difficult for those in the know to go up against it.
They are either blamed for trying to change things or simply ignored.

We have seen ordinary Swedes repeat the Swedish insanity in this thread.

At this point, however, even the government and the PHA are now fully aware that there is no herd immunity to speak of. The strategy that dared not speak its name (in public) is dead, Sweden is in the middle of the second wave, which shouldn't even be possible, so the Swedish authorities now resort to one of the cheapest tricks in the book. Not the strategy, not the authorities, but the ordinary Swedes themselves are to blame for the current disaster: When everything was allegedly going well, in spring (when 5,000 people died), it was going well due to the compliance of Swedish citizens, who listened to and obeyed their superiors.

Now, however, when the authorities have realized that they implemented a strategy that was an utter disaster, they blame the ordinary Swedes for the necessity of changing the strategy: The Swedes are now in dire need of some tough discipline. They have misbehaved, so they no longer deserve the freedom they were granted in sprng. It is not that Sweden has now realized that many other countries have actually tackled the virus head on in more or less rational ways and in most cases much more successfully than Sweden. That idea is impossible, not least because Swedes were told from the very beginning that the rest of the world would soon follow in Sweden's footsteps when they realized the superiority of Swedish research and Swedish governance.

The problem right now for the authorities is that people are beginning to realize how absurd the Swedish strategy has been. They notice the contradictions in terms of their so-called experts.
But it is hard to tell how the resulting cognitive dissonance will be resolved.

A few of them have even caught on to the lies about very particular Swedish constitutional problems that prevented the government and the authorities from doing anything other than what they did. In the documentary last week about the Swedish strategy, the reporter exposed the lie about the insurmountable problem of central government versus the regions: Nothing at all prevented the government from putting itself in charge of getting a proper testing system up and running. The excuse that it was the responsibility of the regions to do so was nothing but subterfuge.

It also appears to be a lie that the Swedish constituion somehow makes harder restrictions impossible. There was an article about that yesterday. I’ll try to find it. I think it was in Aftonbladet.

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Sometimes you have to be a nanny and tell people what to do. If everybody in the supermarket is wearing a mask then all the 'Lisbeths' won't feel self-conscious about following suit and will probably feel relieved, not to mention the shop assistants appreciating the consideration shown towards them.

If by telling people what to do you mean making it mandatory, then yes, that has worked out fine in Denmark. Everybody is now wearing a mask on public transport, in shops and in malls. It seems to have had some effect, but more needs to be done as the number of new infections is still too high. A couple of weeks of schools going online might bring the numbers down, I think, as long as nobody's up for actual elimination.
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It also appears to be a lie that the Swedish constituion somehow makes harder restrictions impossible. There was an article about that yesterday. I’ll try to find it. I think it was in Aftonbladet.

This is the one:
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En uppfattning som har nått närmast covid 19-spridning är att grundlagen sätter stopp för de slags drakoniska inskränkningar vi har sett runt om i Europa.
Det är en uppfattning som inte står sig särskilt väl om den konfronteras med vad juridiken faktiskt säger.
Jag ägnade förmiddagen åt pandemiska studier och har hittat en superspridare i form av en nyhetsartikel på svt.se den 2 april.
Rubriken påstod felaktigt att det inte finns stöd i svensk lag för att gå i andra länders fotspår.
Så där har det fortsatt och efter statsministern presskonferens i går har frågan tagit fart igen.
I en ”pandemijuridik för dummies” twittrade exempelvis Kristoffer Strömgren, sakkunnig hos socialminister Hallengren, att regeringen inte får bomma igen shoppingcenter och butiker.
Och Mårten Schultz, normalt mycket kunnig i juridik, fattas bara, han är professor, förklarade i en analys i Svenska Dagbladet att Rosenbad inte kan göra särskilt mycket mer än vad som redan gjorts.

Är det bara jag som minns den tillfälliga ändringen av smittskyddslagen som regeringen med benäget bistånd av riksdagen baxade igenom i april?
Under tre månader hade regeringen rätt att göra allt möjligt.
Begränsa folksamlingar. Stänga shoppingcenter, barer, nattklubbar, stoppa bussar och tåg, lägga hamnar i respirator.
Lagen användes inte. Och den förnyades inte. Men inget av det hör hit. Det väsentliga för mitt resonemang är att de juridiska verktygen faktiskt existerar. Och de står inte i konflikt med grundlagen.
Men ok, det är inte lätt för någon att hänga med nuförtiden. Jag menar, först får inte fler än 50 människor samlas. Sedan 500. Och efter det 50 igen. Eller om det nu var 300. Nej, åtta.
Ingen minns att regeringen visst kan stänga Sverige (Aftonbladet.se, Nov. 17, 2020)
One idea that has been spread almost as widely as Covid-19 is that the constitution puts a stop to the kind of draconian restrictons that we have seen all over Europe.
It is an idea that doesn’t stand up very well to confrontations with the actual words of law.
I spent the morning doing pandemic studies, and I have found a super-spreader of an article at SVT.se from April 2.
It stated incorrectly that there is no support in Swedish law to follow the example of other countries.
That is how it has continued, and the question has become topical again after the prime minister’s press briefing today.
In a ”Pandemic Law for Dummies”, Kristoffer Strömgren, one of the experts of Minister of Social Affairs Halellengren, tweeted that that the government is not allowed to lock down shopping malls and shops.
And Mårten Schultz, usually very knowledgeable in law, which he should be since he’s a professor, explained in an anlysis in Svenska Dagbladet that Rosenbad can’t really do much more than what has already been done.

Am I the only one who remembers the temporary amendment to the Infection Protection Act that the government, with the willing assistance of the parliament, passed in April?
For three months, the government had the right to do all kinds of things.
Limit crowds. Close shopping malls, bars, nightclubs, stop buses and trains, place ports on respirators.
The law was not used. And it was not renewed. But none of that is relevant here. The essential thing for my reasoning is that the judicial tools actually exist. And they do not conflict with the constitution.
But OK, it's not easy for anyone to keep up with things nowadays. I mean, at first, no more than 50 people are allowed to gather. Then 500. And after that, it’s 50 again. Or was it 300. No, eight.
Nobody remembers that the government actually can lock Sweden down.


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Regeringen kan i dag inte stänga till exempel köpcenter och gym för att stoppa coronasmittan. Men den tillfälliga lag som gav sådana befogenheter ska inte förlängas.
Tillfälliga krislagen var ”inte användbar” (Sydsvenskan.se, Nov. 18, 2020)
Today, the government can't lock down e.g. shopping malls and gyms to stop the spread of the infection. But the temporary law that authorized it to do so will not be prolonged.
The temporary crisis law ”isn't useful”
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Experten: Allt mer pekar på att munskydd fungerar (Aftonbladet.se, Nov. 17, 2020)
The expert: More and more indicates that face masks work

Professorn kritisk mot Folkhälsomyndighetens brist på information om munskydd (SVT.se, Nov. 18, 2020)
Professor criticizes the Public Health Agency's lack of information about face masks

Regioner har bett Finland och Tyskland om testhjälp (DagensNyheter.se, Nov. 17,2020)
Regions have asked Finland and Germany for help with testing Some of the regions are fed up with the Public Health Agency’s vacillating statements
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Simone Sieper och hennes man tillhör båda riskgrupp och vill att deras barn ska stanna hemma från gymnasiet under smittvågen.
Nina Johansson håller sina barn hemma olovligen från skolan för att skydda minsta dottern som är extremt infektionskänslig.
– Jag kan inte chansa med hennes liv. Det går före skolplikt, säger Nina.
Mammorna om skoltvånget: ”Kan inte chansa med liv” (Expressen.se, Nov. 18, 2020 )
Simone Sieper and her husband both belong to as risk group and want their children to stay home from high school during the wave of infections.
Nina Johansson keeps her children home from school illegally to protect her youngest daughter, who is extremely susceptible to infection.
- I cannot risk her life. It goes before mandatory school attendance, says Nina
The mothers about mandatory school: ”Cannot risk lives”

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More Covid-19 patients than ever hospitalized in Scania

Läkaren om att symptomfria patienter inte teststas: ”Det är vansinningt” (DagensNyheter.se, Nov. 18, 2020)
Doctor about not testing patients without symptoms: ”It’s insane”
The region Västra Götaland refuses to test patients without symtoms due to a lack of testing capacity.
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Sweden has registered (!) 4,007 new cases and 96 deaths since yesterday.

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* ICU-staff at Karolinska University Hospital in Stockholm will now have to work 12.5 hour shifts.
* The hospital has had to reorganise schedules for staff working in intensive units to cope with the increasing number of Covid-patients.
* "It feels like a nightmare that is returning," says ICU-nurse Katja Fogelberg, who also worked during the first wave of corona infections in the spring.
Karolinska Hospital: "Marathon" shifts reintroduced for ICU-staff (RadioSweden, Nov. 18, 2020)
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It is a shocking attitude. We saw it in Trump the other day when he said no way would he ever bring in a lockdown. Meanwhile 30,000 Americans a day are testing positive. Then there is Johnson giving mixed messages. Reluctant to upset people, with the scientists kicking his ass to be more decisive.
30,000? Try 170,000 to 180,000!
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Worldometers: USA 173,768 new cases & 1,964 deaths.

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Coronavirus - countries (Worldometers, Nov. 18, 2020)
Deaths per million (Total deaths) New cases Serious/Critical
Sweden: 624 (6,321) 4,007* 179* **Since Friday, according to SVT.se
Denmark: 133 (770) 1,257* 43 *based on based on 81,300 tests, 1.5 percent positives.
Iceland: 73 (25) 11 4 Iceland’s number of active cases has been decreasing rapiply. One month ago, the number was more than 1,200.
Finland: 67 (374) 288 12
Norway: 55 (300) 656 35
Iceland has 267 active cases, Faroe Islands 3, New Zealand 64.
The Faroe Islands have 6 in quarantine, 0 hospitalized.
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In early spring of 2020, it was the herd immunity strategy. The authorities have been lying about that since the beginning, pretending that the Swedish strategy was scientific, evidence-based, and thus indisputable. And since ordinary Swedes tend to have the same attitude to the authorities that Trumpistas have to Trump, they have stubbornly been trying to make some kind of sense of the shifting recommendations from the government and the Public Health Agency (PHA).
In other words, Swedish consensus culture is a cult, which makes it very difficult for those in the know to go up against it.
They are either blamed for trying to change things or simply ignored.

We have seen ordinary Swedes repeat the Swedish insanity in this thread.

At this point, however, even the government and the PHA are now fully aware that there is no herd immunity to speak of. The strategy that dared not speak its name (in public) is dead, Sweden is in the middle of the second wave, which shouldn't even be possible, so the Swedish authorities now resort to one of the cheapest tricks in the book. Not the strategy, not the authorities, but the ordinary Swedes themselves are to blame for the current disaster: When everything was allegedly going well, in spring (when 5,000 people died), it was going well due to the compliance of Swedish citizens, who listened to and obeyed their superiors.

Now, however, when the authorities have realized that they implemented a strategy that was an utter disaster, they blame the ordinary Swedes for the necessity of changing the strategy: The Swedes are now in dire need of some tough discipline. They have misbehaved, so they no longer deserve the freedom they were granted in sprng. It is not that Sweden has now realized that many other countries have actually tackled the virus head on in more or less rational ways and in most cases much more successfully than Sweden. That idea is impossible, not least because Swedes were told from the very beginning that the rest of the world would soon follow in Sweden's footsteps when they realized the superiority of Swedish research and Swedish governance.

The problem right now for the authorities is that people are beginning to realize how absurd the Swedish strategy has been. They notice the contradictions in terms of their so-called experts.
But it is hard to tell how the resulting cognitive dissonance will be resolved.

A few of them have even caught on to the lies about very particular Swedish constitutional problems that prevented the government and the authorities from doing anything other than what they did. In the documentary last week about the Swedish strategy, the reporter exposed the lie about the insurmountable problem of central government versus the regions: Nothing at all prevented the government from putting itself in charge of getting a proper testing system up and running. The excuse that it was the responsibility of the regions to do so was nothing but subterfuge.

It also appears to be a lie that the Swedish constituion somehow makes harder restrictions impossible. There was an article about that yesterday. I’ll try to find it. I think it was in Aftonbladet.




If by telling people what to do you mean making it mandatory, then yes, that has worked out fine in Denmark. Everybody is now wearing a mask on public transport, in shops and in malls. It seems to have had some effect, but more needs to be done as the number of new infections is still too high. A couple of weeks of schools going online might bring the numbers down, I think, as long as nobody's up for actual elimination.
Given the astonishing lack of preparedness and readiness of Sweden when the other Nordic countries swung into action as a matter of alacrity, this might be a good time for Denmark to invade Sweden and regain all the territory it lost the last time you guys had a spat.
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This is the one:

One idea that has been spread almost as widely as Covid-19 is that the constitution puts a stop to the kind of draconian restrictons that we have seen all over Europe.
It is an idea that doesn’t stand up very well to confrontations with the actual words of law.
I spent the morning doing pandemic studies, and I have found a super-spreader of an article at SVT.se from April 2.
It stated incorrectly that there is no support in Swedish law to follow the example of other countries.
That is how it has continued, and the question has become topical again after the prime minister’s press briefing today.
In a ”Pandemic Law for Dummies”, Kristoffer Strömgren, one of the experts of Minister of Social Affairs Halellengren, tweeted that that the government is not allowed to lock down shopping malls and shops.
And Mårten Schultz, usually very knowledgeable in law, which he should be since he’s a professor, explained in an anlysis in Svenska Dagbladet that Rosenbad can’t really do much more than what has already been done.

Am I the only one who remembers the temporary amendment to the Infection Protection Act that the government, with the willing assistance of the parliament, passed in April?
For three months, the government had the right to do all kinds of things.
Limit crowds. Close shopping malls, bars, nightclubs, stop buses and trains, place ports on respirators.
The law was not used. And it was not renewed. But none of that is relevant here. The essential thing for my reasoning is that the judicial tools actually exist. And they do not conflict with the constitution.
But OK, it's not easy for anyone to keep up with things nowadays. I mean, at first, no more than 50 people are allowed to gather. Then 500. And after that, it’s 50 again. Or was it 300. No, eight.
Nobody remembers that the government actually can lock Sweden down.


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Today, the government can't lock down e.g. shopping malls and gyms to stop the spread of the infection. But the temporary law that authorized it to do so will not be prolonged.
The temporary crisis law ”isn't useful”

Ah, the constitution. Always a good fall back.

The Finnish Constitution allows for a state of emergency to be called when appropriate.
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Kommuner jagar handskar och munskydd – och möts av ransonering och upptrissade priser.
Kommuner jagar utrustning: Ransonering och höga priser (Expressen.se, Nov. 19, 2020)
Municipalities are trying to get hold of gloves and face masks – and are met by rationing and inflated prices.
Municipalities demand PPE: Rationing and inflated prices

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De menar att det är tydligt att andra vågen är här.
– Platsbristen berövar människor en sista chans att överleva, säger överläkaren Boris Kan till tidningen
Personal på Karolinska larmar om platsbrist (Expressen.se, Nov. 19, 2020)
They think it’s clear that the second wave is here.
– The lack of room (hospital capacity) robs people of a last chance to survive, says chief physician Boris Kan to the newspaper.
Staff at Karolinska Hospital warn about lack of capacity

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MUNSKYDD. Kungliga vetenskapsakademin rekommenderar att munskydd används inomhus i allmänna lokaler, rapporterar Ekot.
– För att skydda sig mot det här så anser vi att ett munskydd som täcker både näsa och mun filtrerar bort små droppar i inandningsluften som kan innehålla virus. Då anser vi att både ventilation och munskydd är viktiga, säger professor Staffan Normark, ordförande för Kungliga Vetenskapsakademiens expertgrupp om covid-19.
Därmed går de emot Folkhälsomyndighetens linje. Förutom munskydd vill man se bättre ventilation i till exempel kollektivtrafiken där människor vistas länge.
Just nu: De går emot FHM om munskydd (Expressen.se, Nov. 19, 2020 – 11:18)
FACE MASKs. The Royal Academy of Science recommends that face masks be used in indoor settings, reports Ekot.
– As protection against this, we consider face masks covering both nose and mouth and filtrating away droplets in the air you inhale, which may contain virus. We consider both room ventilation and face masks to be important, says professor Staffan Normark, spokesperson for the Royal Academy of Science’s expert group on Covid-19.
Thus they go against the line of the Public Health Agency. I addition to face masks, they would like to see better ventilation, for instance when people spend a long time on public transport.
Breaking news: They go against the Public Health Agency in the question of face masks

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I takt med att smittan sprider sig rapporterar flera län problem med provtagningen.
Belastningen är hård och några regioner har nått maxkapacitet.
– Vi har nått taket för vår kapacitet, säger Stephan Stenmark, smittskyddsläkare i Västerbotten.
Hårda trycket på tester när smittan skenar: ”Nått taket” (Expressen.se, Nov. 19, 2020)
As the infection is spreading, several regions report problems with testing.
The pressure is hard and some regions have reached maximum capacity.
– We have reached the limit of our capacity, says Stephan Stenmark, doctor of infection prevention in Västerbotten.
The pressure on testing is massive when the infection is raging: ”We have reached the limit”

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* Approximately 150 000 people are thought to be experiencing long-term Covid-19 symptoms in Sweden according to one estimate, but there are no specialists to diagnose them.
* There are now calls for research funding for 'long Covid' patients and multi-disciplinary clinics.
* "We have not learned enough about this and the patients are being left on their own" says Åsa Kristoferson Hedlund, who has suffered with Covid symptoms for eight months.
Call on government to do more for 'long Covid' patients (RadioSweden.se, Nov. 19, 2020)
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Now that Sweden seems to have given up on trying to convince the rest of the world of the superiority of the Swedish strategy, they are beginning to discover that some countries are actually quite good at coping with the virus.
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There is a strategy that works – Why Asia is better at coping with the virus than others

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Det har inte kommit någon andra våg av Covid-19 till Kina.
Kina kvävde viruset redan i början av året och har isolerat varje nytt utbrott.
Så här besegrade den totalitära staten viruset som sedan erövrade världen.
Så besegrade Kina corona – ingen andra våg i landet (Expressen.se, Nov. 19, 2020)
There hasn’t been any second wave of Covid-19 in China.
China already clamped down on the virus at the beginning of the year and has contained every new outbreak.
This is how the totalitarian state defeated the virus that went on to conquer the world.
How China defeated corona – no second wave in the country.

And Anders Tegnell's days as 'corona general' seem to be numbered.
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Vem styr Sverige i kampen mot coronan? Stefan Löfven eller Anders Tegnell? Frågan har under det senaste halvåret ställts av både inhemska och utländska bedömare. Nu tycks det som att statsministern med egna tuffa beslut vill komma ut ur statsepidemiologens skugga.
Vem styr kampen mot coronan – Tegnell eller Löfven? (Sydsvenskan.se, Nov. 19, 2020)
Who is in control of the struggle against corona? Stefan Löfven or Anders Tegnell? The question has been raised by both Swedish and foreign observers in the past six months. Now it seems as if the prime minister with his own tough decisions wants to step out of the national epidemiologist’s shadow.
Who is in control of the struggle against corona – Tegnell or Löfven?

The Public Health Agency still pretends that face masks are dangerous, but many Swedes are beginning to use them and the PHA has many adversaries in this question:
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Det är olyckligt att Folkhälsomyndigheten bestämt sig för att munskydden inte hjälper mot smittspridningen.
Sverige borde följa omvärldens exempel och rekommendera skydd för den som inte kan undvika trängsel.
Därför bör Sverige använda munskydd (DagensNyheter.se, Nov. 19, 2020)
It is unfortunate that the Public Health Agency has decided that face masks don’t prevent transmission of the infections.
Sweden should follow the example of the world and recommend protection for people who cannot avoid crowds.
Why Sweden should use face masks

Not only some regions but also some schools have lost confidence in the PHA's advice and recommendations:
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Smittspridningen ökar i Sverige men regeringen och Folkhälsomyndigheten vill i det längsta undvika att stänga skolor.
Runt om i landet har rektorer ändå valt att stänga sina skolor på grund av covid-19, visar DN:s kartläggning.
I flera fall har det skett i strid med rekommendationerna från smittskyddsläkarna.
Rektorer stänger skolor runt om i landet efter covidutbrott (DagensNyheter.se, Nov. 19, 2020)
The spread of the infection is increasing in Sweden, but the government and the Public Health Agency want to avoid locking down schools for as long as possible. All over the country, principals have nevertheless decided to close their schools because of Covid-19, according to DN’s analysis.
In several cases, it has happened contrary to the recommendations from infectious-disease-prevention doctors.
Principals close schools all over the country after outbreaks of Covid-19

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En rapport från Folkhälsomyndigheten visar att lärare inte löper större risk än andra yrkesgrupper att smittas av covid-19.
Forskare ifrågasätter metoden som använts medan fackförbund tvivlar på slutsatsen.
– Ska jag vara ärlig kan man inte dra några säkra slutsatser av deras rapport, säger Jonas Björk, professor i epidemiologi vid Lunds universitet.
Kritik mot FHM:s rapport om smittade lärare (DagensNyheter.se, Nov. 19, 2020)
A report from the Public Health Agency shows that teachers aren’t at higer risk of getting infected with Covid-19 than other professions.
Researchers are questioning the method used and the teachers union doubts the conclusion.
– To be honest, you can’t draw any safe conclusions from their report, says Jonas Björk, professor of epidemiology at the University of Lund.
Criticism of the Publc Health Agency’s report about infected teachers
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Thursday:
Coronavirus - countries (Worldometers, Nov. 19, 2020)
Deaths per million (Total deaths) New cases Serious/Critical
Sweden: 624 (6,340) 4,609* 183* **According to SVT.se “A high proportion of the tests are positive,” but the percentage wasn't mentioned. Several regions are looking for alternative ways to ramp up testing capacity.
Denmark: 133 (773) 1,297* 41 *based on 79,304 tests, 1.6 percent positive.
Iceland: 73 (25) 5 4
Finland: 67 (374) 351 12
Norway: 56 (305) 601 30
Iceland has 233 active cases, Faroe Islands 3, New Zealand 64.
The Faroe Islands have 6 in quarantine, 0 hospitalized.

ETA: The most recent percentage of positives I have been able to find is from week 45, Nov. 2-8:
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Totalt provtogs drygt 228 000 individer för covid-19 under vecka 45. Av dessa individer var 10,9 procent positiva,
Covid-19 veckorapporter: Senaste veckorapport (FHM, Nov. 13, 2020)
A total of 228,000 people were tested for Covid-19 in week 45. Of these, 10.9 percent were positive.

Maybe a report for week 46 will be published today.
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Doctors in Uppsala, the Swedish region hit hardest by Covid-19, tell CNN they are frustrated with the lack of tougher coronavirus measures, and Swedes not adhering to government recommendations.
“Forceful measures in other places, other countries, it’s effective in reducing spread,” Dr. Rafael Kawati, head of intensive care at Uppsala University Hospital, told CNN.
Sweden is well into a second wave of cases: It's a scenario that health authorities said in the spring they hoped to avoid, by emphasizing personal responsibility over mandatory lockdowns.
Comparatively more deaths: The country has now recorded more than four times as many Covid-19 deaths than its three Nordic neighbors combined -- 6,340* as of Thursday.
Swedish doctors frustrated at coronavirus strategy (CNN, Nov. 20, 2020)

*The number of registered Covid-19 deaths rose to 6,405 today. The number of new cases of infection is 7,240.
The CNN article is accompanied by a short video, 3:23.
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How Germans experienced Sweden's pandemic response:
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Lange hielten die Schweden an ihrem lockeren Corona-Sonderweg fest. Jetzt werden sie abtrünnig. Denn sie merken: Es fehlt an Tests und einheitlichen Regeln. Droht jetzt eine finstere Weihnachtszeit?
Für Silvester war eigentlich alles geplant: Drei Pärchen, die am Strömstigen in Nynäshamn zusammenkommen, um gemeinsam zu feiern, wie seit mehr als zwanzig Jahren schon, auch wenn die insgesamt sieben Kinder nicht mehr mitmachen wollen. Es sah lange recht gut aus mit den Prognosen und unseren Plänen. Den Sommer über, bis Mitte Oktober sogar, war Corona in Schweden kein Thema. Nicht nur, weil man hier sowieso ungern über die blöden Dinge redet, sondern weil die Zahlen einen gewissen Optimismus zuließen. Jedenfalls bei den Optimisten. Die Zahl der coronabedingten Todesfälle hielt sich schließlich monatelang unter 6000.
Schweden’s Sonderweg ist vorbei – jetzt steuern die Skandinavier auf eine finstere Weihnachtszeit zu (Stern.de, Nov. 20, 2020)
For a long time, the Swedes stuck to their lax corona exceptionalism. Now they are beginning to rebel against it. Because they notice something: There is a lack of testing and uniform rules. Is a dark Christmas season on the horizon?
Everything had actually been planned for New Year's Eve: three couples who come together at the Strömstigen in Nynäshamn to celebrate together, as they have been doing for more than twenty years, even if the seven children no longer want to take part. For a long time, the prognoses and our plans looked pretty good. During the summer, until mid-October, corona was not an issue in Sweden. Not only because they don't like talking about stupid things here anyway, but because the numbers allowed a certain optimism. At least with the optimists. After all, the number of corona-related deaths stayed below 6,000 for months.
Sweden’s exceptionalism is over - now the Scandinavians are headed for a dark Christmas season

What it was like when Swedes still believed in the Swedish strategy:
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Wer in schwedischen Supermärkten eine Maske trägt, wird wie ein Außenseiter behandelt. Das erlebte unser Autor im Land des Corona-Sonderwegs, wo er, wie seit Jahrzehnten, den Sommer bei seiner Familie verbrachte.
Empirisch nicht ganz stichfest, aber ungelogen und kein Scherz: Zwischen Mitte Juli und Ende August sind mir in den Supermärkten von Ösmo, Nynäshamn und Västerhaninge unter vielen Hunderten von Schweden nur acht Menschen begegnet, die eine Gesichtsmaske trugen – sechs von ihnen waren italienische und deutsche Touristen.
Immer wieder mal bauten sich dafür junge schwedische Männer maskenlos und sehr nah an meiner Seite auf, zeigten kleine Kinder aufgeregt mit dem Finger auf mich – all dies, weil ich eine Gesichtsmaske trug.
Nicht aus der Reihe scheren
Die Schweden, das wurde mir wieder einmal klar, mögen es eben nicht so, wenn man aus der Reihe schert. Was in diesen Zeiten und in diesem Land heißt: wenn man eine Maske trägt.
Die stolzen, sorglosen Schweden – so erlebte unser Autor den Sommer im Land des Sonderwegs (Stern.de, Oct. 5, 2020)
Anyone wearing a mask in Swedish supermarkets is treated like an outsider. Our author experienced this in the land of corona exceptionalism where he spent the summer with his family, as he has been doing for decades.
Empirically, it may not be entirely solid, but it’s no lie and it’s not a joke: From mid-July till the end of August, in the supermarkets of Ösmo, Nynäshamn and Västerhaninge, among many hundreds of Swedes, I met only eight people who were wearing a face mask - six of them were Italian and German Tourists.
Every now and then, young Swedish men stood up maskless and very close to me, little children excitedly pointed their fingers at me - only because I was wearing a face mask.
Don't get out of line
Once again, I realized that the Swedes don't like it much when you get out of line. Which in these times and in this country means: when you are wearing a mask.
The proud, carefree Swedes - this is how our author experienced the summer in the land of pandemic exceptionalism
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The most recent percentage of positives I have been able to find is from week 45, Nov. 2-8:

A total of 228,000 people were tested for Covid-19 in week 45. Of these, 10.9 percent were positive.

Maybe a report for week 46 will be published today.

The report published today for week 46, i.e. Nov. 9-15, 2020:
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Under vecka 46 provtogs nästan 26 300 individer fler än förra veckan. Av det totala antalet provtagna individer fick 12,9 procent en positiv laboratoriediagnos, vilket är en högre andel jämfört med föregående vecka (10,9 procent).
Covid-19 Veckorapporter: Senaste Covidrapporten (Folkhälsomyndighedet, Nov. 20, 2020)
In week 46, almost 26,300 more than last week were tested. Of the total number of tests, 12.9 percent received a positive lab diagnosis, which is a higher proportion in comparison to last week (10.9 percent).
Covid-19 Weekly reports: Most recent Covid-19 report
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Friday:
Coronavirus - countries (Worldometers, Nov. 20, 2020)
Deaths per million (Total deaths) New cases Serious/Critical
Sweden: 633 (6,406) 7,240* 182* **According to SVT.se
Denmark: 134 (778) 1,257* 39 *based on 73,876 tests, 1.7 percent positive.
Iceland: 76 (26) 20 3
Finland: 68 (375) 461 10
Norway: 56 (306) 573 36
Iceland has 232 active cases, Faroe Islands 3, New Zealand 40.
The Faroe Islands have 6 in quarantine, 0 hospitalized.
Covid testing hampered by stormy weather (KVF.fo, Nov. 20, 2020)
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Sweden is a foreign country; they do things differently there. Continued ...

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Den här veckan bytte Stefan Löfven coronastrategi – utan att nämna det med ett ord. Det är inte konstigt: då hade han nämligen varit tvungen att öppet underkänna vårens insats.
Den rödgröna pandemihanteringen gav oss ett klassamhälle på speed (DagensNyheter.se, Nov. 20, 2020)
This week, Stefan Löfven changed corona strategy – without mentioning it with a single word. No wonder: He would have been forced to openly disapprove of the measures taken in the spring.
The red-green pandemic response gave us a class society on speed
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