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Dr. A Sheikh

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These are the questions which are floated by Homeopaths and skeptics are badly failed in providing the answers.

Questions No. 1

A paper is distributed in a seminar in which information regarding the www.randi.org forum and www.forum.nchpakistan.com was mentioned. Homeopaths were invited to discuss homeopathic issues on them. I have gone through the pages of both forums.

When we put a drop of medicine in 99 drops of alcohol then does it become a homogenized solution? I am talking about 1st potency.

Dr. Ayub
Iqra Homeopathic Pharmacy


I am not an expert, I work in a pharmacy and mostly deals clarical work. The pharmacy provided me a computer with interrnet connection that is free.

I was free so decided to visit those sites which were mentioned on the page which was provided in the seminar. My pharmacy was the cosponsor of the seminar. On knowing the site, I gone through few topics of interest and in that context this question was asked just to remove the confusion.

A solution is that where molecular interaction between a solute and solvent is present and that interaction is homogenized? Is this true? (That is my understanding)

My question was, does this interaction is restricted on 99 drops only or it can be applicable on 100 or 200 drops of solvent.

On your question, I can only say, there are few MTs which are not dissolvable in solvent.

hello anor during potency preparation different techniques are used. a plant contain soluble and unsoluble substance, in that case the solution would be homogenized or not? or you will call it homogenized solution of a, b, c compounds and mixture x, y, z element.

Suppose we have started making first potency. You extract a plant from the ground, that plant has few compounds and minerals in it.

Lets name them

a, b, c, d, e are chemical compounds found in that plant
k, l, m, n, o are minerals available in the plant.

When you mix the plant (having abcde and klmno) with water and alcohol (solvent) then what would be interaction of abcde with water+alcohol when you are also providing heat in the form of jirk?

Few (abcde) have reactive properties to make new compounds with solvent (of water and alcohol) and few do not have this property. If those who have reactive property when react with solvent (water + alcohol) and make new compounds or change into it parts what kind of solution it would prepare?

Few (abcde) are dissolvable in the solvent (of water and alcohol) and few cannot dissolve. Is this homogenized or not?


In the same way, few (klmno minerals) react with the solvent (of water and alcohol) and form new compounds or convert the compounds into its ingridients or do not react and remain unsoluble. In this sense, would it be a homogenized mixture or solution and how the avogadros law is applicable on it?
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Dr. Sheikh, can you provide any evidence to back up the assertion in your sig that it is the sceptical position that "modern medical drugs can have a physiological effect at 1x and can be used to treat certain diseases at 1x. But the same medical drugs in homeopathy cannot show any physiological effect in 1x. Neither it cannot bring any physiological change in the body nor it can treat any disease", or are you prepared to admit that this is a strawman that you, Dr. MAS, Homeoman, Non-Sense Homeopath and/or others have fabricated?
 
Spam in the place where I live (ham and pork)
Think about nutrition, wonder what's inside it now (oh boy)
Spam in my luchbox at work (it's the best)
Really makes a darn good sandwhich any way you slice it at all

If you're running low, go to the store
Carry some money to help you buy more
The tab is there to open the can
The can is there to hold in the spam

Oh, spam on the table at home (ham and pork)
Think about selection, are there different flavors now (let's eat)
Spam in my office at work (it's the best)
Think about the stuff its made from, wonder if it's mystery of meat
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I thought homogenized was a type of milk, and homogenization was to do with treating fats so that they remain suspended in water, rather than separating from it.
As far as I can tell, the answer to the question is 'No'. Unless we are talking about avocados.
 
Hey Sheikh, have you got permission to post again from the Grand Sockmaster?

Two things:

1) I'm confused about your post - which bit is you? Have you put your bit in the quote marks, or is that someone else? There seem to be at least three people quoted in that quote, only one of whom is differentiated. Could you clarify or edit your post to make it clearer what you think?

2) What Mojo said. If you can't back it up, it's the biggest straw man I've ever seen.
 
Dr. A Sheikh said:
These are the questions which are floated by Homeopaths and skeptics are badly failed in providing the answers.
... Few (abcde) are dissolvable in the solvent (of water and alcohol) and few cannot dissolve. Is this homogenized or not?


In the same way, few (klmno minerals) react with the solvent (of water and alcohol) and form new compounds or convert the compounds into its ingridients or do not react and remain unsoluble. In this sense, would it be a homogenized mixture or solution and how the avogadros law is applicable on it?
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By the way, these have already been answered several times. It's just that you don't like the answers because they don't fit your delusions. Anyway, to reiterate:

It doesn't matter whether or not the solute reacts with the solvent: you will still have a finite number of atoms of the solute. The value of Avogadro's contant means that you will run out of solute at 12c or 24x.

If the solution is not homogeneous, you are just as likely to select a sample for your next dilution with less of the solute than average as more of the solvent. This will average out over the course of your sequential dilutions.

And you're not really arguing that homoeopathic preparations of higher potentcy than 24x/12c still contain the original solute because they're incompetently prepared, are you?
 
I personally think there is but one question "Dr." Mas and his gang needs to answer:

When is he going to apply for the Million Dollar Challenge?
 
Oh, sorry, I missed a couple of questions in all the waffle.

When we put a drop of medicine in 99 drops of alcohol then does it become a homogenized solution? I am talking about 1st potency.
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If you manage to mix them properly, yes.

Lets name them

a, b, c, d, e are chemical compounds found in that plant
k, l, m, n, o are minerals available in the plant.

When you mix the plant (having abcde and klmno) with water and alcohol (solvent) then what would be interaction of abcde with water+alcohol when you are also providing heat in the form of jirk?
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Without knowing exactly what the chemicals are, it is impossible to say. however, as I said, they will still contain a finite number of atoms. It doesn't matter if the solute and solvent react. Preparations of higher then 24x/12c will still contain none of the original solute, if they are competently prepared, because you will run out of atoms.

Few (abcde) have reactive properties to make new compounds with solvent (of water and alcohol) and few do not have this property. If those who have reactive property when react with solvent (water + alcohol) and make new compounds or change into it parts what kind of solution it would prepare?
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If you mix it properly it will be homogeneous. I assume that's what this question is asking.
 
These are the questions which are floated by Homeopaths and skeptics are badly failed in providing the answers.
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err i think you got that the wrong way round Dr A;

These are the questions which are floated by skeptics and Homeopaths are badly failed in providing the answers.

Such as why do you continue to practice something which has never been proved to have any effect above placebo?
 
Dr A. Sheikh:

Can you post more pictures of homeopaths in Pakistan? The last collection was excellent.
 
Mojo

Although you have given clarification earlier that you are not the man who is posting at http://www.forum.nchpakistan.com forum but again I will repeat the question just like you have repeated your question several times here. Will you provide the evidence that you are not there as mojo?
 
about my signature, search the word Dr. MAS in user name and read all 100 pages mails. You will find many links.
 
Mojo,

This is your wrong notion that unless the name of the compound is given you cannot explain the above equation. There are so many compounds which have the property to dissolve and some may not. Dr. Ayub given a very good example. If you have the answer then you come forward otherwise accept your defeat.
 
Dr. A Sheikh said:
about my signature, search the word Dr. MAS in user name and read all 100 pages mails. You will find many links.
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No, you are wrong: search Nucular and read all my posts to find out why.

Unless you can link to just one example of this claim in those 100 pages, you know very well that no-one is going to plough through 100+ pages they've already read to find something they know very well isn't there.

Please link to the evidence that what your sig says is "the Skeptic Point of View", or remove your sig and replace with an apology for making stuff up.

Thanks.
 
nucular, the information given in signature is derived from the 100 pages, how can I link one page or post in reference. you will accept it when you will understand it what you people have written in your posts.
 
Dr. Sheikh,

Did you ever watch "The Gilmore Girls" and pretend you were one of the characters? If so, which character?

Thank you for your time.
 
Dr. A Sheikh said:
Although you have given clarification earlier that you are not the man who is posting at http://www.forum.nchpakistan.com forum but again I will repeat the question just like you have repeated your question several times here. Will you provide the evidence that you are not there as mojo?
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As has already been pointed out in another thread, it is virtually impossible to prove that it is not me.

On the other hand, all you have to do is to provide a link to somewhere where a skeptic has said what you are claiming in your sig. This should be very simple if you are basing your assertion on something you've actually seen. But you can't do it, can you?
 
Dr. A Sheikh said:
Mojo,

This is your wrong notion that unless the name of the compound is given you cannot explain the above equation. There are so many compounds which have the property to dissolve and some may not. Dr. Ayub given a very good example.
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No, he hasn't. He's just mentioned some hypothetical chemicals without identifying them:
Lets name them

a, b, c, d, e are chemical compounds found in that plant
k, l, m, n, o are minerals available in the plant.
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This does not tell us what these compounds and minerals are. Without knowing that, it is impossible to say how they will react in solution.

It is safe to say, though, that if you sequentially dilute a finite number of atoms enough times, there will be none left.
 
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