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31st August 2021, 05:15 AM | #921 |
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The State Department no longer seems to think that there is any imminent threat to US embassy employees from directed microwave weapons, supersonic blasters or crickets in Havana:
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14th September 2021, 02:12 PM | #923 |
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Health Complaints during Sojourns in Havana of Foreign Government Employees
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Cuban scientists reject 'Havana Syndrome' claims (France24, Sep 13, 2021) Spanish: Al descubierto las falsedades sobre el síndrome que inventó Washington (Granma.cu, Sep 13, 2021) German: Die Unwahrheiten über das von Washington erfundene Syndrom aufgedeckt (Granma.cu, Sep 14, 2021) The report in English: An Assessment of the Health Complaints during Sojourns in Havana of Foreign Government Employees and their Families (PDF 4,5 Mb) |
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You know, we only use microwaves on children when we cook them.
I remember a story from when the 'Havana Syndrome' began (can it be called a pandemic now that it's everywhere?!) about a child with nosebleed and a toddler who fell a lot, but since the USA is very secretive about the data, I have no idea if any of them still have symptoms of anything. Toddlers falling and children with nosebleed aren't exactly rare, so those microwaves must be everywhere.
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15th September 2021, 01:35 PM | #926 |
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So no real category, no real diagnosis, but a lot of cases of something that "have been folded into to the syndrome", which I assume means that they have been interpreted as being a part of this alleged syndrome without specific criteria. That really makes for a fear-spreading mystery and requires a very complex conspiracy theory to explain its origins. |
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16th September 2021, 07:15 AM | #927 |
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I forgot to mention another symptom of 'Havana Syndrome' in children, but I was reminded by an article in the New York Times yesterday: The symptom is crying! If you hear a toddler cry, move away from the area immediately. You may both be under attack!
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Man, it can't get more mysterious than this, can it?! The downside is that you have to take the toddler with you. Remember that your nausea and headaches are not caused by the crying toddler. They are caused by a directed microwave weapon yielded by enemy combatants. You will have to explain this very carefully to the police and the toddler's parents, who are bound to misunderstand the incident: This was a heroic rescue. It was not an abduction! |
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It will be interesting to find out how many of 2.9 million people experience "heat, pressure and noise" and/or "nausea, headaches, pain and vertigo." After almost five years now, no cause and no potential perpetrator is beyond suspicion! I am happy that I left out very few options back in 2017: Alien Attack? Mass Hysteria? Conspiracy? After all, anything is feasible, according to Schiff. For a long time, I thought that mass hysteria/mass psychogenic illness was the most likely answer, but with the multiple causes and players mentioned by Schiff, we can no longer rule out anything: This is indeed the greatest conspiracy ever imagined! |
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19th September 2021, 04:43 PM | #929 |
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Once limited in range, mass hysteria can now spread across the globe in an instant
Directed energy weapons shoot painful but non-lethal beams – are similar weapons behind the Havana syndrome? (The Conversation, Sep 17, 2021)
The answer is no, of course not, but not according to the author of the piece. The most interesting thing about it is how people defending the idea manage to make it look more improbable.
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Almost five years after the first alleged attacks (counting only from the beginning of the 'Havana Syndrome' and not similar 'cases' from as far back as the 1990s), we are supposed to believe that all embassies and dwellings of CIA agents haven't already been equipped with these "relatively simple and inexpensive sensors". That not a single "location of the source of the attacks" has been found is obvious, since that would immediately have put a stop to the embarrassing lack of evidence for the idea. It is much like the lack of evidence for alien abductions: Why did they stop when everybody started bringing a camera wherever they go? Why is the 'Havana Syndrome' still a (no)thing when it is so easy to detect the alleged attacks? And now that Pentagon urges all employees to report symptoms of ‘Havana syndrome’ (Military Times, Sep 16, 2021), it might be a good idea to show "all employees" exactly what it looks like when people are attacked by directed microwave energy weapons. The article in The Conversation has a good photo for those in need of inspiration! But the best way to spread mass hysteria appears to be by means of YouTube or Tik Tok videos. It worked so well for the most recent wave! They saw a YouTube video. Then they got Tourettes. (Wired.co.uk, sep 1, 2021) TikTok tics: when Tourette’s syndrome went viral (BigThink, Sep 10, 2021) TikTok Tourette's: Social Media Spreading Mass Illness (RealClearScience, Sep 12, 2021) |
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20th September 2021, 07:18 AM | #931 |
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Still spreading ...
I think I missed this one back in May. Interesting that CIA agents abroad weren't vaccinated as soon as their colleagues in the USA. Since brain fog is one of the symptoms of both long Covid and 'Havana syndrome', it will be interesting to see how it will be interpreted when people report it as they have been encouraged to do.
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20th September 2021, 12:46 PM | #933 |
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Was at a wedding this weekend and one of my fellow guests was experiencing havana syndrome after closing out the bar at 2am and missed the brunch.
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20th September 2021, 10:39 PM | #935 |
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SkepticGinger was the first to point out that Tik Tok was going to become the next big online phenomenon. I had never heard about it when she posted her prediction, and I seriously doubted it, but it has has obviously come true.
When the HPV-vaccine hysteria spread in Denmark, it started with online discussions among the girls, but it really took off when the program De vaccinerede piger (The Vaccinated Girls) aired on TV2 in March 2015. It was very impressive to see a young woman whose whole body was twitching so much that she couldn't even walk. If the CIA and the State Department seriously want this mass psychogenic illness to spread, we need to see video clips of those 'Havana-Syndrome' victims on both Tik Tok and YouTube. It is difficult to emulate the symptoms when you don't know what they look like. Show us the crying and falling toddlers, show us the nauseous and dizzy adults! Inquiring minds need to know! |
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Continues to spread!!
C.I.A. Officer Suffers Havana Syndrome Symptoms https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/20/u...-symptoms.html
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I am a little disappointed that not even Mr. Burns and his bodyguard have microwave detectors! When they came up with the WMD scam as an excuse to wage war on Iraq, they could at least point at a "shipment of aluminum tubes." So far, I don't remember hearing about physical evidence of anything, unless we count the recordings of crickets.
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Which perpetrator? Got a name or a photo or something? Since Burns was so close to the new case, how can they be sure that it was merely anger that made him fume?
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I don't know about "span every continent". I am pretty sure that I haven't heard about any cases in Antartica, but you never know what those penguins are up to. I also don't remember any in Oceania, but there are so many now that it may have slipped my mind.
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People even argued with me after the developers became rich.
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There was also toxic mold syndrome and sick building syndrome. I haven't found a good article comparing those with Havana syndrome but they are very similar. With the mold they tore whole buildings down and lawsuits have been won. But it's really as nebulous as Havana syndrome. Once people go down this mass hysteria rabbit hole believers continue to fall in after them. |
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Somebody had better do something!
In tense Blinken meeting, ‘Havana Syndrome’ diplomats complain of skepticism https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/nat...icism-n1279769
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I was at a Copenhagen-Skeptics-in-the-Pub meeting with the MD in charge of the allegedly HPV-vaccine-damaged girls, Jesper Mehlsen, as the speaker. Many of the girls were there, too. He was already then about to retire. He was obviously a very competent guy in his field of expertise, and the girls had a lot of confidence in him because he didn't simply dismiss their symptoms and had them all undergo meticulous medical examinations, but the problem was that he stuck to an obsolete idea of what constitutes mass psychogenic illness. Like some of the posters in this thread, he insisted on the old-fashioned definition of community. He insisted that the HPV-vaccine scare couldn't have been caused by rumors spread among the girls since they came from all parts of the country, and thus he missed the point that communities now exist online thanks to social media. A journalist discovered that the girls had shared thoughts and ideas on a website for young girls interested in horses. One good thing that came out of the medical investigation was a focus on ME and mitochondrial disorders, which some of the girls suffered from. It just wasn't related to the HPV vaccinations. I don't think Mehlsen ever gave up on the idea that the girls' symptoms were caused by the vaccine, and unfortunately he appears to have started attending conferences for vaccine skeptics even though he himself wasn't one and even said that if he had had a daughter, he wouldn't hesitate to have her get the HPV shots. |
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Somebody should tell Blinken that taking "those suffering" seriously when they talk about their symptoms is very different from spreading rumors about directed microwave energy attacks, which is what Mr Burns is doing. And it probably won't stop now that he believes that his ... let's call him Smithers ... is also the victim of an attack. |
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I didn't have time till now to finish reading the English translation of the report by Cuban scientists mentioned and linked to in post 923.
I recommend that everybody with an interest in this do so. This is an excerpt from the conclusion, p. 29-30:
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Havana Syndrome bill passes House and is headed to Biden's desk for signature into law.
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22nd September 2021, 09:32 AM | #944 |
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Don't you think that they will distinguish between people who have an actual, physiological ailment and those who suffer 'only' from mass psychogenic illness? If that is the case, the money will go to people whose illness, for instance age-related brain damage or loss of hearing, is real.
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If people with real illnesses (whether physical or psychological) get support then that is a good thing, no matter how they became ill.
What's remarkable here though is the 427-0 vote. Republicans fought tooth and nail against Obamacare, but frame the initiative a little differently and they are all for it. Those who are worried about the hysteria spreading shouldn't - we want it to spread to everyone, because this is how we finally get universal health care! However the serendipity of this newfound cooperation plus the latest incident in India is bringing into focus the likely perpetrator of these heinous attacks. We all know it was Obama's fault of course - but think about it - who had more incentive to use such a cold-blooded back-door way to get UHC than him? The proof is in data if you just look at it right. Ignore the confusing variety of symptoms and spread of locations and concentrate on the one common factor - virtually all the victims are American diplomats who were attacked in their own embassies. Who had the greatest access and opportunity to carry out the attacks? Why it was us! The conclusion is almost too obvious - Obama instructed our own CIA to carry out these attacks, to get Republicans onboard with the idea of government funded medical care. This is exactly what you would expect from the tan-suited narcissist. Obama had the motive, the opportunity, the means and the frame of mind to do it - so he must have. |
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Somebody in the Biden administration is probably in on it, too. Who else could have zapped the two security officials at the White House?
We need another thread in Conspiracies and Conspiracy Theories to get to the bottom of this! |
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To me, this sounds as if Spratlen was ousted because she disagreed with the desired outcome of the many 'investigations' into the 'Havana Syndrome': It has to be the result of an attack! There has to be a perpetrator. And that imaginary perpetrator has to be punished! I bet the Republicans won't complain about 'cancel culture' in this case ... ETA:
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An article in the Miami Herald mentions that Pamela Spratlen is leaving the post as lead adviser of the response to the 'Havana Syndrome', but it completely ignores the (alleged) reason. In fact, it carefully avoids mentioning any suspicion that the whole thing is psychological in nature and not any kind of attack:
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Don't fear it, embrace it! There's only way to end these attacks, find more of them - a lot more. Every US government employee everywhere should claim that they are a victim, no matter what symptoms they have. Got a slight headache, hearing loss, sick of work? You've been attacked! Only by taking it to ridiculous extremes will we be able to dismiss the conspiracy theories and take a long hard look at the real cause.
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I'm not surprised Biden and other legislators would buy into this kind of hysteria. They are not medical people. People unfamiliar with this kind of affliction would naturally tend to believe the 'victims' were experiencing real physical issues.
Whenever you see a certain cluster of symptoms with no obvious explanation it should be a red flag: headaches, memory or cognitive issues, dizziness, fatigue, a vague rash (usually one the victim reports but a rash which you, the provider, can't see). |
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Please don't apologize for Biden & Co. "They are not medical people."
You would never accept an apology for Trump's handling of the pandemic along the same lines, presenting Trump as the poor victim of mere ignorance. Trump actively sought out guys like Scott Atlas and Demon-Sperm lady because he wanted alleged experts to deliver confirmation of his pandemic response. At the same time, he was ignoring actual experts like Anthony Fauci. Biden, Blinken and Burns are doing the same thing now because they want people in charge of the 'investigations' to come up with 'explanations' that justify the current administration's policy against Cuba. In this respect, nothing has changed since Trump. They are getting rid of the people who contradict the narrative that they are hoping to make stick. How an Alleged Sonic Attack Shaped U.S. Policy on Cuba (NYT, April 18, 2018)
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A summary of the WP article, but missing the point that the station chief dared to doubt that the 'Havana Syndrome' is caused by an attack:
CIA Vienna station chief removed amid 'Havana syndrome' criticism -Washington Post (SwissInfo.ch, Sep 24, 2021) |
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This one is from last year but very interesting:
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The diplomats interpret it as an attempt to deny that they were attacked and not merely as an attempt to stop an outbreak of mass hysteria among embassy workers. This is obviously the perfect basis for a conspiracy theory. |
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24th September 2021, 10:08 AM | #956 |
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Could it actually be the MiB? What sort of symptoms do you get after having your memory zapped? If the US has been infiltrated by Reptilians then the MiB maybe having to work overtime to root them out.
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25th September 2021, 06:03 AM | #957 |
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We are getting there, but only if we can get rid of all those damn skeptics:
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Also in: Senators press Blinken to improve care for Havana Syndrome victims as task force leader departs (CNN, Sep 24, 2021) |
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25th September 2021, 06:25 AM | #958 |
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/dann "Stupidity renders itself invisible by assuming very large proportions. Completely unreasonable claims are irrefutable. Ni-en-leh pointed out that a philosopher might get into trouble by claiming that two times two makes five, but he does not risk much by claiming that two times two makes shoe polish." B. Brecht "The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions." K. Marx |
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25th September 2021, 06:50 AM | #959 |
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Could Satellite Sensors Solve the Havana Syndrome Mystery? - Recent breakthroughs may prove forensically useful. (The Diplomat, Aug 30, 2021)
Worth a try, in my opinion: No registered "directed radio frequency (RF) energy" = no microwave-weapon attacks! But so far, Blinken & Burns have not been willing to accept that no evidence = no attacks. ETA: And in case you aren't quite up to date with the locations, the article mentions, "purported incidents in Hanoi, Vienna, Berlin, Kyrgyzstan, Miami, Washington D.C., Northern Virginia, London, Taiwan, Australia, Poland, Tbilisi, Moscow, Guangzhou and Havana." But notice that this was before the most recent 'incident' in India. |
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25th September 2021, 08:07 PM | #960 |
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Whoever is behind these attacks obviously knows their craft well, because so far there has been no real hint of who is responsible. The varied symptoms suggest the weapon may actually have several attack modes, some of which might be impossible to detect with current sensors. So it doesn't matter whether we can detect the device or not - if we can't detect it that just means it is very sophisticated. However it does mean we can narrow down the list of possible suspects. Clearly Dr. Evil is out (he's still trying to get those sharks to wear lasers on their heads). Such a device would require serious R&D to develop, so it must be the product of a major super-power with experience in the field. It should come as no surprise to learn that the US used Directed Microwave weapons in the Gulf war. As I said before, it's quite telling that only US diplomats are being targeted, in so many locations all over the World that the idea of a foreign power being behind it seems remote. Sadly this clear evidence of who is to blame will probably be swept under rug due to the political impossibility of owning up to the fact that we have met the enemy, and they are us. |
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