I told you so 6 years ago

[Leumas]

I have not been on this forum for years... and I am posting now only to remind you all of what I said 6 years ago ... in the light of what just finally happened regarding extirpating women's rights over their bodies and life-trajectory... and more annihilations of human rights are soon to follow.

Originally Posted by Leumas

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While we are busy fending off allegations of being "scary nasty mentally damaged totalitarian fundamentalist atheists" hurled at us by Concern Trolls, this stuff is going on:

Vision America's Rick Scarborough was a guest on Gordon Klingenschmitt's "Pray In Jesus Name" program recently, where he explained that God is blessing the state of Texas because "Christians have infiltrated" and taken over the state GOP. Scarborough was discussing his efforts to mobilize right-wing pastors to get involved in politics across the nation and noting that he has had a great deal of success in Texas; so much so that if one now attends an annual Republican Party convention in Texas, it feels as if one is attending a revival meeting.

It is not astrologists nor atheists who are trying to enforce their world view wherever they can.

It is not astrologists nor atheists who are insidiously trying to dominate the "seven mountains of power" and take over the country.

While we argue on forums whether it is insane to debate theists on internet forums, theists are pressing on quietly with their strategic plans.

From Here

The George Grant quote cited below comes from a book he published in 1987 with Dominion Press, entitled The Changing of the Guard. Yes, they have been aiming for this for a very long time. And for a very long time they have worked under the cover of our ignorance. Who could have predicted a few nut cases could ever acquire such influence in our politics and our military? (No apologies to Condoleeza Rice).

"Christians have an obligation, a mandate, a commission, a holy responsibility to reclaim the land for Jesus Christ-to have dominion in the civil structures, just as in every other aspect of life and godliness.
But it is dominion that we are after. Not just a voice.

It is dominion we are after. Not just influence.

It is dominion we are after. Not just equal time.

It is dominion we are after.

World conquest. That’s what Christ has commissioned us to accomplish. We must win the world with the power of the Gospel. And we must never settle for anything less.

If Jesus Christ is indeed Lord, as the Bible says, and if our commission is to bring the land into subjection to His Lordship, as the Bible says, then all our activities, all our witnessing, all our preaching, all our craftsmanship, all our stewardship, and all our political action will aim at nothing short of that sacred purpose.

Thus, Christian politics has as its primary intent the conquest of the land – of men, families, institutions, bureaucracies, courts, and governments for the Kingdom of Christ. It is to reinstitute the authority of God’s Word as supreme over all judgments, over all legislation, over all declarations, constitutions, and confederations."

[dellarte]

And?

[The Great Zaganza]

And you did nothing to stop it?

Shame on you.

[Crossbow]

Originally Posted by Leumas

I have not been on this forum for years... and I am posting now only to remind you all of what I said 6 years ago ... in the light of what just finally happened regarding extirpating women's rights over their bodies and life-trajectory... and more annihilations of human rights are soon to follow.

Well, ...

Just to focus on this one bit in your posting:

Quote:

World conquest. That’s what Christ has commissioned us to accomplish. We must win the world with the power of the Gospel. And we must never settle for anything less.

Therefore, if you are actually intent on having some sort of Christian take over of the entire world, then you sure do have a great deal more to accomplish.

[Thermal]

If you'll pardon the expression...Jesus Christ, man.

[Leumas]

Originally Posted by Thermal

If you'll pardon the expression...Jesus Christ, man.

No... a mythical Zombified human sacrificed demi-god.... ill begotten by an equally mythical ethnic cleansing slave mongering human sacrifice demanding voodoo rituals prescribing witches proscribing hexed potions commanding misogynistic misanthropic bigoted bronze age tribal deity.

[Crossbow]

Originally Posted by Leumas

No... a mythical Zombified human sacrificed demi-god.... ill begotten by an equally mythical ethnic cleansing slave mongering human sacrifice demanding voodoo rituals prescribing witches proscribing hexed potions commanding misogynistic misanthropic bigoted bronze age tribal deity.

[Start Sarcasm Mode]

Why thanks so very much!

That sure clarifies everything.

[End Sarcasm Mode]

[Leumas]

Originally Posted by Crossbow

Well, ...

Just to focus on this one bit in your posting:



Therefore, if you are actually intent on having some sort of Christian take over of the entire world, then you sure do have a great deal more to accomplish.

May I suggest that it might behoove you to actually read the stuff you are responding to before you ASSUME things that are not possible to assume had you actually bothered to read the post.

[Thermal]

Originally Posted by Leumas

No... a mythical Zombified human sacrificed demi-god.... ill begotten by an equally mythical ethnic cleansing slave mongering human sacrifice demanding voodoo rituals prescribing witches proscribing hexed potions commanding misogynistic misanthropic bigoted bronze age tribal deity.

So......alt-right?

[Leumas]

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

And you did nothing to stop it?

Shame on you.

How do you know what I did or did not do to TRY and stop it... just the fact that I posted warnings about it is proof that your statement is abjectly irrational... not to mention what else you have no inkling or possible way of knowing that I did or not.

[Ethan Thane Athen]

Originally Posted by Crossbow

Well, ...

Just to focus on this one bit in your posting:



Therefore, if you are actually intent on having some sort of Christian take over of the entire world, then you sure do have a great deal more to accomplish.

I think you are confusing Leumas with the people he was warning us about...

[Leumas]

Originally Posted by Thermal

So......alt-right?

Nope... alt-downright turpitudinous.

[Leumas]

Originally Posted by Ethan Thane Athen

I think you are confusing Leumas with the people he was warning us about...

Exactly... and his confusion stems from not having bothered to read the post.... but yet he felt qualified to comment on what he has not bothered to read.... explains oodles.

[Foster Zygote]

I'd forgotten how annoying truethat was.

[Leumas]

Originally Posted by Foster Zygote

I'd forgotten how annoying truethat was.

indeed ... but no paucity of his ilk still around here doing the same that he used to do... Concern Trolling for the sake of their cults.

[Warp12]

I don't see this as any greater threat than any other form of extremism that may or may not exist or be largely ignored. It sounds like persecution of a religious group, to an extent, based upon the actions/goals of a relative few.

[Leumas]

Originally Posted by Warp12

I don't see this as any greater threat than any other form of extremism that may or may not exist or be largely ignored.

Do you know anything about what is going on in the world right now??? Evidently not an inkling!!!

Originally Posted by Warp12

... It sounds like persecution of a religious group, to an extent, based upon the actions/goals of a relative few.

Do you even know what that word means??? Clearly not!!!

[Crossbow]

Originally Posted by Leumas

Exactly... and his confusion stems from not having bothered to read the post.... but yet he felt qualified to comment on what he has not bothered to read.... explains oodles.

Well, I did actually read your post. And from what you posted, then it looked to me as if you were in support of those things that you highlighted.

However, when I went back and read your original posting, then I could easily see that you were actually reacting to what someone else was saying.

But in any case, that was my mistake.

Sorry about that! I should have reviewed your original posting before responding to your abridged posting.

[Leumas]

Originally Posted by Crossbow

Well, I did actually read your post. And from what you posted, then it looked to me as if you were in support of those things that you highlighted.

However, when I went back and read your original posting, then I could easily see that you were actually reacting to what someone else was saying.

Bun in any case, that was my mistake.

Sorry about that! I should have reviewed your original posting before responding to your abridged posting.

[Warp12]

Originally Posted by Leumas

I have not been on this forum for years... and I am posting now only to remind you all of what I said 6 years ago ... in the light of what just finally happened regarding extirpating women's rights over their bodies and life-trajectory... and more annihilations of human rights are soon to follow.

Originally Posted by Leumas

See what I mean

I guess I'm not sure what you are conveying?

It seems like you are presenting a post from 6 years ago as being prophetic, somehow? I mean, I don't think your post was a revelation of any sort. I think we all know that the right is not fond of abortion.

As far as the specific references in your post, they seem to be targeted at some rather extreme positions that do not necessarily reflect the views of conservative Christians, in general.

I don't see where you have tied these thoughts and ideas directly into the latest rulings of the scotus. They sound more like conspiracy theory to me, and a general disdain for the Christian right.

[Leumas]

Originally Posted by Warp12

I guess I'm not sure what you are conveying?

Yes you are!!!

Originally Posted by Warp12

It seems like you are presenting a post from 6 years ago as being prophetic, somehow? I mean, I don't think your post was a revelation of any sort. I think we all know that the right is not fond of abortion

Hahahaha.... wow... could you keep listing the rest of the litany... I am sure you are very familiar with it... why stop at that one... it sure is not the only one you have already checked off.

Originally Posted by Warp12

It seems like you are presenting a post from 6 years ago as being prophetic, somehow? I mean, I don't think your post was a revelation of any sort. I think we all know that the right is not fond of abortion.

Hahaha... that would be the word used by the cult on whose behalf you are doing all this apologetics .... but in rational spheres it is called deducing the outcome of all the machinations and plotting and the legislative nefarious game that was being perpetrated at the level of the SEVEN MOUNTAINS OF POWER.

Originally Posted by Warp12

As far as the specific references in your post, they seem to be targeted at some rather extreme positions that do not necessarily reflect the views of conservative Christians, in general.

I am sure you know that this is what goes on and your statement denying it is dissimulation.

Originally Posted by Warp12

I don't see where you have tied these thoughts and ideas directly into the latest rulings of the scotus. They sound more like conspiracy theory to me, and a general disdain for the Christian right.

Excuse me if I do not take your assertions seriously ... you know that they are not true... especially while you are doing apologetics for a cult whose hero is one who pretends to be all things to all people (1 Corinthians 9:19-23) in order to become a wily fisher of men (Matthew 4:19) and uses crafty guile to catch people (2 Corinthians 12:16) and whose founding fathers said:

Quote:

"How it may be lawful and fitting to use falsehood as a medicine, and for the benefit of those who want to be deceived." -- Eusebius

"What harm would it do, if a man told a good strong lie for the sake of the good and for the Christian church ... a lie out of necessity, a useful lie, a helpful lie, such lies would not be against God, he would accept them." -- Martin Luther

"Reason is the greatest enemy that faith has; it never comes to the aid of spiritual things, but - more frequently than not - struggles against the divine Word, treating with contempt all that emanates from God" -- Martin Luther

[arthwollipot]

We've known about the dangers of dominionism since the publication of The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power by Jeff Sharlett in 2009.

But I'd also like to take another quote out of the thread the OP came from:

Originally Posted by MikeG

Originally Posted by sylvan8798

.........Now I suddenly get why some atheists are so militant. ...........

Most aren't, of course, and you might find your transition easier if you take a calm and quiet approach to this. Impress people (IRL) with your thoughtfulness on the subject (if it ever arises), rather than with your emotion.

Also, dominionism isn't a mainstream doctrine in most varieties of Christianity. It's a small minority of evangelical fundamentalists.

[Susheel]

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

We've known about the dangers of dominionism since the publication of The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power by Jeff Sharlett in 2009.

But I'd also like to take another quote out of the thread the OP came from:



Also, dominionism isn't a mainstream doctrine in most varieties of Christianity. It's a small minority of evangelical fundamentalists.

The problem is that that "small minority" seems to carry in a disproportionate weight re: administrative policy

[arthwollipot]

Originally Posted by Susheel

The problem is that that "small minority" seems to carry in a disproportionate weight re: administrative policy

Yes, because it has been their stated goal to acquire that disproportionate weight for decades now. Acquiring power is literally what they're all about. That's why they're dangerous.

[Thor 2]

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

Also, dominionism isn't a mainstream doctrine in most varieties of Christianity. It's a small minority of evangelical fundamentalists.

But, but, but, Jesus said:

“Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: “Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.” (Matt. 28:16–20.)


What do you think he He had in mind?

[arthwollipot]

Originally Posted by Thor 2

But, but, but, Jesus said:

“Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: “Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.” (Matt. 28:16–20.)


What do you think he He had in mind?

He was telling people to convert the people of all nations to Christianity. Dominionists - specifically, those who believe in Kingdom Now theology - believe that the best way to do this is to put their members in positions of secular power. In particular, the "seven mountains" of government, education, media, arts, religion, family and business. This is not mainstream Christian doctrine. But I think you already know this.

[Thor 2]

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

He was telling people to convert the people of all nations to Christianity. Dominionists - specifically, those who believe in Kingdom Now theology - believe that the best way to do this is to put their members in positions of secular power. In particular, the "seven mountains" of government, education, media, arts, religion, family and business. This is not mainstream Christian doctrine. But I think you already know this.

The late Christopher Hitchens, in his book "God is not Great", lists many places in the world where many religions (including various Christian sects), are actively trying to gain secular power for a long time.

One of those places is Ireland where the Catholics were trying to maintain the "No divorce" law (they even brought in the big guns like the lovely Teresa to sway the vote). The move failed however, although only by a very narrow margin.

It is my opinion that they all want to pull others down in the same hole they are in with very few, if any, exceptions. They will all use whatever is available to do this. The reason for this, apart from the directive by Jesus, is to boost the number of folk believing the same tosh they do - thus reinforcing their own belief.

[arthwollipot]

Yes, you could say that the Catholic sorry Roman Catholic Church is the biggest dominionist denomination historically, but they have backed down a lot in the last hundred years or so.

But the difference is that while it is true that most religions want to convert as many people as possible, the Protestant evangelical dominionist sects have a specific and deliberate policy of putting their people in positions of secular power. Most religious denominations - at least in modern developed democracies - do not have this specific and deliberate stated goal. At best they have a kind of general trend in that direction. As a result, the dominionist sects accumulate more power and influence than their numbers would otherwise justify.

As Psionl0 will no doubt reiterate, the problem with dominionism here in Australia isn't that great. We had that one guy whose dominionist sentiments were mitigated by the country's overall progressiveness, and who we ultimately got rid of. America is by far where the dominionists have the most influence.

[Leumas]

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

Yes, you could say that the Catholic sorry Roman Catholic Church is the biggest dominionist denomination historically, but they have backed down a lot in the last hundred years or so.

Nope... have you heard of Integralism ... and now allied with Dominionism too.

Do you know how many Roman Catholics are on the SCOTUS???

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

But the difference is that while it is true that most religions want to convert as many people as possible, the Protestant evangelical dominionist sects have a specific and deliberate policy of putting their people in positions of secular power.

And they have succeeded beyond their wildest dreams chiefly due to lack of opposition to their machinations...

Do you know who Ted Cruz is and who is behind him???

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

Most religious denominations - at least in modern developed democracies - do not have this specific and deliberate stated goal. At best they have a kind of general trend in that direction. As a result, the dominionist sects accumulate more power and influence than their numbers would otherwise justify.

Exactly that is how power works and how the powerful get it....

You being Australian should be able to appreciate this metaphor.... Do you know how many farmers there are... do you how many sheep there are???

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

As Psionl0 will no doubt reiterate, the problem with dominionism here in Australia isn't that great. We had that one guy whose dominionist sentiments were mitigated by the country's overall progressiveness, and who we ultimately got rid of. America is by far where the dominionists have the most influence.

Yes... and by controlling America they also control Australia and many others... no???

[arthwollipot]

Originally Posted by Leumas

Nope... have you heard of Integralism ... and now allied with Dominionism too.

Do you know how many Roman Catholics are on the SCOTUS???

Very true, but this is still a shadow of the power and influence they have had in the past.

Originally Posted by Leumas

And they have succeeded beyond their wildest dreams chiefly due to lack of opposition to their machinations...

Do you know who Ted Cruz is and who is behind him???

Yes, and yes.

Originally Posted by Leumas

Exactly that is how power works and how the powerful get it....

You being Australian should be able to appreciate this metaphor.... Do you know how many farmers there are... do you how many sheep there are???

Yes. I'm agreeing with you here, I'm not sure why you're being so confrontational.

Originally Posted by Leumas

Yes... and by controlling America they also control Australia and many others... no???

I'm not sure I'd use the word "control". There have been times when America said "jump" and we did not stop to ask how high, but I don't think we're at America's beck and call. Though in the past I have been roundly scolded for talking about American cultural imperialism, from my perspective we have been becoming more and more culturally similar to America due to the all-pervasiveness of American popular culture in the English speaking world. I'm not saying that that's a good or a bad thing, just that it is definitely a thing that has been happening over the course of my lifetime.

[Leumas]

Originally Posted by Thor 2

The late Christopher Hitchens, in his book "God is not Great", lists many places in the world where many religions (including various Christian sects), are actively trying to gain secular power for a long time.

One of those places is Ireland where the Catholics were trying to maintain the "No divorce" law (they even brought in the big guns like the lovely Teresa to sway the vote). The move failed however, although only by a very narrow margin.

It is my opinion that they all want to pull others down in the same hole they are in with very few, if any, exceptions. They will all use whatever is available to do this. The reason for this, apart from the directive by Jesus, is to boost the number of folk believing the same tosh they do - thus reinforcing their own belief.

Do not forget that with power they can also precipitate Armageddon more readily... and thus facilitate the rivers of blood red carpet necessary for the return of their zombified human sacrifice.

[arthwollipot]

Originally Posted by Leumas

Do not forget that with power they can also precipitate Armageddon more readily... and thus facilitate the rivers of blood red carpet necessary for the return of their zombified human sacrifice.

Sure, but remember that Armageddon is by definition a supernatural event, so it can and will never happen.

[Leumas]

Originally Posted by Susheel

The problem is that that "small minority" seems to carry in a disproportionate weight re: administrative policy

Exactly... there are very few farmers and billions of sheep... 6 agents pretending to be judges installed in the right place of power have managed to trump (pun intended) the wishes of 247 million people.

[Leumas]

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

Sure, but remember that Armageddon is by definition a supernatural event, so it can and will never happen.

Yes... we know that... but not the ones trying to make it happen with all the power they can muster.

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

Sure, but remember that Armageddon is by definition a supernatural event, so it can and will never happen.

Yes... Armageddon will never happen... but WWIII can happen and with those guys machinating and plotting to make Armageddon happen they will cause WWIII to happen instead.

[Leumas]

Originally Posted by Warp12

....
As far as the specific references in your post, they seem to be targeted at some rather extreme positions that do not necessarily reflect the views of conservative Christians, in general.

I don't see where you have tied these thoughts and ideas directly into the latest rulings of the scotus. They sound more like conspiracy theory to me, and a general disdain for the Christian right.

This lady belies your apologetics.... and so do these powerful agents pretending to be judges.

[arthwollipot]

Originally Posted by Leumas

This lady belies your apologetics.... and so do these powerful agents pretending to be judges.

You ought to stop pretending that seven individuals represents a majority. Like I said, these people possess a disproportionate amount of power for being not a majority.

[Leumas]

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

You ought to stop pretending that seven individuals represents a majority. Like I said, these people possess a disproportionate amount of power for being not a majority.

You ought to stop strawmanning and misrepresenting what others say... I did not say anything even close to your misrepresentation... and you know that because I just finished telling you ....

Originally Posted by Leumas

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You being Australian should be able to appreciate this metaphor.... Do you know how many farmers there are... do you how many sheep there are???

[arthwollipot]

As I said, I'm agreeing with you. There's no need to be belligerent.

But the point remains that dominionism is still a minority belief.

[Warp12]

Originally Posted by Leumas

This lady belies your apologetics.... and so do these powerful agents pretending to be judges.

I don't think most take Boebert seriously...I certainly don't. I don't personally have an issue with any of the recent rulings by the court, but I understand why some may have concern...within limits. I don't think we are looking at a Christian conspiracy to rule the nation, or world.

[The Great Zaganza]

Originally Posted by Warp12

I don't think most take Boebert seriously...I certainly don't.

and yet, you think she is more of a true Republican than Cheney or Kitzinger.