"But Global Warming is a HOAX!!!"

carlosy said:
My question remains: What is the typical average Joe living room temp in such conditions with standard AC and outside temps between 45° to 50° C, over a period of days?
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Highly variable, I was just talking to a co-worker about this. She keeps her AC at about 78F. I keep mine at 70F when I'm home, or starting 2 hours before I get home via a timer. 77F at other times. However, she has central air, I have 3 window units. So, some parts of my house are much warmer than that.

I used to have whats called an evaporative cooler (aka a swamp cooler). The best it could do is about -25F from outside temps for my upstairs. So on a hypothetical 110F day that'd be 85F. And thats if its a dry day, the drier the air, the better they work. I believe evaporative coolers are getting rare in Phoenix, though they used to be quite common.
 
Brainster said:
I typically set my AC to 32 during the day and 31 at night. That is actually quite comfortable as long as the humidity is low. The local utility has a plan where 4PM-7PM are peak rates, so typically I will crank the AC up a bit at 3:30 and try to coast for those three hours. By 7:00 it's probably up to 37, and it will take about an hour to get down to 32 or so. I am fortunate that my house is block construction.
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The humidity in MA lately has been god awful. I keep looking at my thermometer expecting it to be high temps, but it's actually not even that hot inside my apartment, it's just that the relative humidity has been at 85+% for days.

We have a small window AC unit in our bedroom but honestly a dehumidifier for the rest of the apartment may be all we need to make a 25 C temperature much more tolerable.
 
TurkeysGhost said:
The humidity in MA lately has been god awful. I keep looking at my thermometer expecting it to be high temps, but it's actually not even that hot inside my apartment, it's just that the relative humidity has been at 85+% for days.

We have a small window AC unit in our bedroom but honestly a dehumidifier for the rest of the apartment may be all we need to make a 25 C temperature much more tolerable.
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At least its a dry heat here!

 
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TurkeysGhost said:
Tomorrow supposed to be bad, max humidity 98% because it's going to be raining and about 90 F. Just awful, might as well be a sauna. Either you keep the windows shut 24hrs and roast or you open them overnight and let all the morning humidity in.
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I'm originally from far south east Texas... like practically Louisiana, so I remember those days. When I first moved out here I saw something I didn't even know was possible on the evening news. The heat index was lower than the actual temp!
 
Myriad said:
No argument there. The "we don't need a bike rack outside the office, no one bicycles to work" problem is pervasive at every level. The troublemaker employee who suffers being nearly run over in the parking lot, having their bike stolen, and getting reprimanded for chaining it to some essential decorative lamppost can eventually get the bike rack installed, but that doesn't mean it will get used by anyone else.

The real problem is, bicycling to work sucks. I've done it, for years. It's good for your health, if you don't get maimed or killed in traffic, but there's also rain, wind, heat, cold, darkness, ice, fatigue, and time. It's not fun. What it is, besides healthy (with said caveats), is cheap.

The "solution" is shortages of fossil fuels that make owning and operating a car is too expensive for most of the employed people in the area. Bicycles will have their day. But this will not be seen as progress.
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It helps to live in a country without car manufacturers. There isn't much opposition to making cities more bike-friendly in DK. In rush-hour traffic, biking is usually faster than driving, and many 'green' short cuts, e.g. bike bridges and tunnels, often make biking faster at all hours, so time is not a problem, on the contrary. I think sitting in a car and being overtaken by your biking colleagues on your way to work is a motivating factor for many to make the switch.
But cities aren't born that way ....
Electrical bikes are a solution for people whose main objection to the switch is fatigue, but it's not as good for your health.
 
The bicycle paths in Copenhagen have improved considerably in recent decades, but not to the extent that you see professional bicycle racers using them for their training. You usually have to leave the big cities to see them. And I think that, like many other professionals athletes, they go somewhere else, i.e. to other, more southern countries, in the winter.

In the case of Vingegaard, I would have to go to the other end of the country to see him on the road. I don't think he has spent much time on bike paths:
Vingegaard is the son of Claus Christian Rasmussen and Karina Vingegaard Rasmussen from Hillerslev, Thy. (...) From August 2012, Vingegaard attended the voluntary 10th grade on the cycling track at ISI Idrætsefterskole in Ikast. Afterwards, he enrolled in Thisted Handelsgymnasium for secondary education, attending the Higher Commercial Examination Programme (HHX).
Vingegaard lives with his girlfriend Trine Marie Hansen (b. 1987) in Glyngøre.
Jonas Vingegaard: Personal life (Wikipedia)
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On a serious note: Has anybody read this book?
Author David Lipsky joins Morning Joe to discuss his new book 'The Parrot and the Igloo: Climate and the Science of Denial.' Lipsky traces the origins of climate denial.
'The Parrot and the Igloo' traces the history of climate denialism (MSNBC on YouTube, July 12, 2023)
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The Parrot and the Igloo: Climate and the Science of Denial (GoodReads)
 
Myriad said:
No argument there. The "we don't need a bike rack outside the office, no one bicycles to work" problem is pervasive at every level. The troublemaker employee who suffers being nearly run over in the parking lot, having their bike stolen, and getting reprimanded for chaining it to some essential decorative lamppost can eventually get the bike rack installed, but that doesn't mean it will get used by anyone else.

The real problem is, bicycling to work sucks. I've done it, for years. It's good for your health, if you don't get maimed or killed in traffic, but there's also rain, wind, heat, cold, darkness, ice, fatigue, and time. It's not fun. What it is, besides healthy (with said caveats), is cheap.

The "solution" is shortages of fossil fuels that make owning and operating a car is too expensive for most of the employed people in the area. Bicycles will have their day. But this will not be seen as progress.
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Amsterdam has just opened a bike garage for 7000 bikes for the station (and its not even the biggest bike garage in the Netherlands). But they have invested in it, to make it a nice area, as they know that it makes economic sense. This is progress.

Speaking as someone who bikes to work everyday, we need more infrastructure (as I'm sure you'll agree). The benefits are not just health etc, but economic. When you have enough density and diverse areas it becomes viable for more people to cycle, and with enough infrastructure (proper cycle paths) with actual destinations, people do start to cycle when its easier than driving.

We need to build for the transport we want, rather than what we see.
 
New York Times' David Wallace-Wells -- a journalist known for writing about climate change ("The Uninhabitable Earth") -- thinks we may have entered uncharted territory weather-wise:
It didn’t even seem that freakish, all things considered — we see so many more climate-fueled disasters now, with global average temperatures breaking records every day recently. There were terrifying floods this week in Himachal Pradesh, in India, where several bridges collapsed and others carrying dozens of cars and trucks seemed about to. Japan experienced the “heaviest rain ever,” and in Spain, floodwaters carried cars backward through traffic at rapid speeds, their drivers simply watching powerless from the roof, where they’d taken refuge when the water began filling the cabin. A monthslong heat wave centered on Texas and Mexico and spread outward as far as Miami, which, as of Monday, had reached heat indexes north of 100 degrees for 30 straight days. Times news link
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Let's get something straight:
  • Global warming is a hoax.
  • Cigarettes don't cause cancer.
  • Seatbelts cost lives.
  • Experts don't know what they're talking about.
  • Scientists are phony.
[IMGW=200]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=1474&pictureid=13613[/IMGW]
  • This is Al Gore the Global Warming 'expert.'
MAGA!!!​
 
dann said:
It helps to live in a country without car manufacturers. There isn't much opposition to making cities more bike-friendly in DK. In rush-hour traffic, biking is usually faster than driving, and many 'green' short cuts, e.g. bike bridges and tunnels, often make biking faster at all hours, so time is not a problem, on the contrary. I think sitting in a car and being overtaken by your biking colleagues on your way to work is a motivating factor for many to make the switch.
But cities aren't born that way ....
Electrical bikes are a solution for people whose main objection to the switch is fatigue, but it's not as good for your health.
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Is it just more socially acceptable to arrive places all sweaty in these bike friendly cities? Riding a few miles is easy enough, but even shorter rides at anything but a snail's pace is going to result in me sweating a good bit. Riding home is no problem, but the idea of showing up to a full day of work with my shirt sticking to my skin from sweat is a bit of a turnoff. Do Euro offices and worksites just stink of sweaty ass in the warm months from all the cyclists?

Ebikes address this a bit too, it's easy to attain commuter speeds on them without working hard.
 
Brainster said:
With no humidity, upper 80s is quite comfortable. It's not July, but August and September where the temperature is slightly lower but the humidity goes way up that it really gets miserable.
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I might be somewhat cold-natured. But to me, if you are in shade and there is any kind of wind movement, or you are under a fan, then its tolerable. Its right around 90ish that I'm willing to sit under my porch as long as there is a bit of a breeze. But I need <75 to sleep well.

Whats wild is going to work in the morning. My garage and car are still uncomfortably warm at 7:30 AM.
 
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TurkeysGhost said:
Is it just more socially acceptable to arrive places all sweaty in these bike friendly cities? Riding a few miles is easy enough, but even shorter rides at anything but a snail's pace is going to result in me sweating a good bit. Riding home is no problem, but the idea of showing up to a full day of work with my shirt sticking to my skin from sweat is a bit of a turnoff. Do Euro offices and worksites just stink of sweaty ass in the warm months from all the cyclists?

Ebikes address this a bit too, it's easy to attain commuter speeds on them without working hard.
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We actually used to have a shower at the office I work in. A remodel was done about 5 years ago and it was taken out. So, maybe thats more common in Europe?
 
TurkeysGhost said:
Is it just more socially acceptable to arrive places all sweaty in these bike friendly cities? Riding a few miles is easy enough, but even shorter rides at anything but a snail's pace is going to result in me sweating a good bit. Riding home is no problem, but the idea of showing up to a full day of work with my shirt sticking to my skin from sweat is a bit of a turnoff. Do Euro offices and worksites just stink of sweaty ass in the warm months from all the cyclists?

Ebikes address this a bit too, it's easy to attain commuter speeds on them without working hard.
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I don't know about that. I haven't worked at an office in the summer since my student days. For high-school teachers, the ordinary school year ends by the end of May, and then there are three weeks of exams in June. It's still hot for a couple of weeks in August when the new school year begins, but I never noticed it as a problem. From September to May, you would have to ride really fast to get all sweaty, and most people don't.

Most people don't ride at a speed where they break into a sweat. As you can see, there aren't many people with Vingegaard aspirations. (In 2010, you never saw any electrical bikes on the road.):
Cycling Copenhagen, Through North American Eyes (StreefilmsVlog on YouTube, July 21, 2010)

And yet, it's usually still faster than driving. That's the kind of nudging that makes many drivers consider the switch.
Some offices have shower facilities, or so I've heard. Schools have them, too, but they are mainly used by PE teachers. I think I only used them once when I arrived at the airport in the morning from overseas and had to go directly to work.

Some people say that Amsterdam is bike-friendlier than Copenhagen, but I haven't been there since the 1970s. I'll have to try it out some day.


ETA: And there is this added bonus: List of countries by obesity rate: USA #11; Denmark #111
 
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newyorkguy said:
New York Times' David Wallace-Wells -- a journalist known for writing about climate change ("The Uninhabitable Earth") -- thinks we may have entered uncharted territory weather-wise:


Let's get something straight:
  • Global warming is a hoax.
  • Cigarettes don't cause cancer.
  • Seatbelts cost lives.
  • Experts don't know what they're talking about.
  • Scientists are phony.
[IMGW=200]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=1474&pictureid=13613[/IMGW]
  • This is Al Gore the Global Warming 'expert.'
MAGA!!!​
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And VACCINES KILL!!!
 
Upper 80s with low humidity is quite comfortable? Hate to be the bearer of bad news but at 3am local time last night the temp in the Phoenix area was 97. The humidity was 33%. The temp bottomed out at 95 around 5am but was back to 100 by 9am. But the humidity is only 22%! :cool:

Phoenix area National Weather Service forecast and readings

Saturday it's supposed to hit 116 -but with low humidity!
 
If the penalties weren't so severe, it would be amusing to hear the deniers denying. Having served on my town's Planning Commission for many years, I had to listen to debates about flood zones from people who protested rules that rely on the "hundred year" flood level. One could not get it through their heads that this did not mean why worry, because such a flood only occurs every hundred years or so, but that it is sure to happen at least once every hundred years.

In one of our Vermont towns, I forget which one now, the town officials were remarking that they not too long ago raised their office buildings, on the advice of the Army Corp of Engineers, to surpass the 500 year flood level. Two days ago they flooded. That's a couple of days after the hottest day recorded on earth, in what bodes to be the latest in a series of hottest years ever.

But this has nothing to do with climate change, nothing to see here, keep moving.
 
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