Loose Change - Part III

[MarkyX]

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[T.A.M.]

Gravy, if you are going to GZ you've gotta take a camera and film those idiots harrassing mourners. Then you can post it, or give it to someone like MarkyX to add to a cideo to show the resto f the world just what these freaks are all about.

[T.A.M.]

video I meant to say (damn keyboard)

[Johnny Pixels]

I've lost track of this thread a bit now, but has anyone noticed that the CTs are making lists of people that support their position, not unlike the creation science lists of people who oppose evolution.

Are there stages involved in woo development?

1. The First Hurdle - Woo fails to understand science
2. Just Asking Questions - Woo looks for evidence to back up their mistake
3. The Articles - Woo starts producing articles based on bad science to support their position
4. The List - Woo starts looking for people with qualifications that agree with them
5. The School Board - Woo tries to force their opinion on kids, because grown ups won't listen to them.

[MarkyX]

Anyone have a video of Mark Bingham's mother talking about her son calling?

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Originally Posted by Johnny Pixels

I've lost track of this thread a bit now, but has anyone noticed that the CTs are making lists of people that support their position, not unlike the creation science lists of people who oppose evolution.

Are there stages involved in woo development?

1. The First Hurdle - Woo fails to understand science
2. Just Asking Questions - Woo looks for evidence to back up their mistake
3. The Articles - Woo starts producing articles based on bad science to support their position
4. The List - Woo starts looking for people with qualifications that agree with them
5. The School Board - Woo tries to force their opinion on kids, because grown ups won't listen to them.

Does Kevin Barrett qualify as step 5? He's teaching it rather than trying to force a school board to include it in the curriculum.

[T.A.M.]

MarkyX

I don't have what your looking for, but I just listened to an interview with the Flight 93 Coriner, Wallace Miller, where he states that the biggest piece of debris he saw was an engine part that weighed about a thousand pounds. Seems like a pretty big peice for a site where the CTers say only small fragments were found.

http://www.archive.org/details/interview-miller

[MarkyX]

No no no no, it has to be Mark Bingham.

It's a perfect setup to make Fetzer and his deniers look like complete jackasses.

[Blackwell]

I was reading an article on espn.com (about vintage car racing) and came across this unexpected first-hand account of the attack on the Pentagon. Some reference to molten aluminum and aircraft parts, as well as the common reference to "explosive" sounds:

A retired Air Force SR-71 Blackbird reconnaissance officer, [Blair] Bozek was also a weapons system officer in the F-4 Phantom stationed in Iceland, where "we used to chase the Russians out of our airspace during the Cold War."

Bozek trained German top gun pilots in California and routinely flew on the Blackbird at Mach 3 (2,200 mph) at 80,000 feet above the earth, where sky meets space. "It's dark up there; you can see the curve of the Earth, gorgeous dark, dark blue to light blue from the zenith down to the horizon."

On Sept. 11, 2001, Bozek was at work in his office at the Pentagon, his brother in an office three floors above. "When the plane hit, my office ceiling and walls collapsed around me. It was like explosive dominoes … boom … boom … boom … boom as the aircraft penetrated the various walls of concrete in the building."

The impact point was 500 feet from his office. The path of destruction came to within 90 feet. "Pieces of the aircraft were in my office -- molten aluminum and burning insulation."

Running down the outside of the Pentagon, he pulled three women out of their burning first-floor offices before becoming overcome with smoke. Hours later, he found his brother, also alive.

The above quoted section was the only 9/11 reference, but the full article can be found here:
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2...t&lid=tab5pos3

[SRW]

Originally Posted by MarkyX

No no no no, it has to be Mark Bingham.

It's a perfect setup to make Fetzer and his deniers look like complete

jackasses.

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/tra...ia.rescue.html

The interview with Marks Mother is here.

and here

http://www.cnn.com/video/us/2001/10/....wtaj.med.html

[MarkyX]

That's really nice, but I need one with his mother describing the phone calls. It's a must.

I will add that one though. Really hurt em.

[Brainster]

Originally Posted by SRW

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/tra...ia.rescue.html

The interview with Marks Mother is here.

and here

http://www.cnn.com/video/us/2001/10/....wtaj.med.html

She was also interviewed in the Discovery Channel show, "The Flight that Fought Back" In the preview, there's a brief clip of his mom, apparently calling back on his voice mail, telling him to go ahead and try to take over the aircraft, that the terrorists were intent on crashing the plane. It's brief, but an amazing clip.

[T.A.M.]

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/tra...media.day.html

If you scroll down, the interview with mark's face on it has both his mother and aunt interviewed, recalling what his words were.

if you cant see it, just goto "Day of terror" section, then scroll down.

[Gravy]

Originally Posted by Sword_Of_Truth

Someone remind me who it was that first predicted violence from unbalanced truthers in this insanely mammoth thread?

Whoever it was, call Mr. Randi to pick up your prize.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...4/MN115878.DTL

(Shamelessly stolen from Pepik posting over at Conspiracy Smashers blog)

JREF Tired Commando Ninja?

[Gravy]

Originally Posted by MarkyX

I told you that these nuts are violent angry people.

I would watch yourself on Ground Zero Gravy.

Thanks for your concern, but no worries there. Aside from their ignorance, that bunch is perfectly harmless. They're more like a faulty flourescent fixture: noisy but dim.

[MarkyX]

Perfect

Now I need to find out how to save it as a full video file. 911myths.com methods aren't working.

The scene I had in mind is going to make Fetzer and the Truth movement look like complete jackasses and a little more.

I am pretty much done with Dylan and Fitzer. Any interviews of other 9/11 deniers showing how callious or vile they are?

[kevin]

Originally Posted by MarkyX

Perfect

Now I need to find out how to save it as a full video file. 911myths.com methods aren't working.

The scene I had in mind is going to make Fetzer and the Truth movement look like complete jackasses

i might be able to get it for you at home. I have quicktime pro on my mac and I think it will let me save a copy. I won't be home for a few more hours though so if you get it another way just post here and I won't bother.

what format you want it in? I can convert it to just about anything.

[MarkyX]

Anything windows media can know.

But I can't wait a few hours, unless someone right now has new material for me to work with so I can ignore this dilemma later.

The video is going to be around 25 minutes but it only has dylan avery and jim fizter. Must...get more!

I would like to tear Alex Jones a new one.

[kevin]

Originally Posted by MarkyX

Anything windows media can know.

But I can't wait a few hours, unless someone right now has new material for me to work with so I can ignore this dilemma later.

The video is going to be around 25 minutes but it only has dylan avery and jim fizter. Must...get more!

I would like to tear Alex Jones a new one.

let me see if i left my vnc server on. i might be able to do it from work.

[Gravy]

Originally Posted by T.A.M.

Gravy, if you are going to GZ you've gotta take a camera and film those idiots harrassing mourners. Then you can post it, or give it to someone like MarkyX to add to a cideo to show the resto f the world just what these freaks are all about.

While it's possible that there are mourners at Ground Zero on any given day, and others who are paying their respects, it's a huge area and is mostly occupied by thousands of tourists and people taking the PATH train to and from Jersey. The Troofers are near the train station, in somewhat neutral ground. I don't have a video camera per se, but my still camera can take several minutes of video. I wish I had the footage that a documentarian took of me getting the head Troofer to admit that he thinks the FDNY may have been "In on it," just after he used the term "speed of gravity."

[SRW]

Originally Posted by MarkyX

That's really nice, but I need one with his mother describing the phone calls. It's a must.

I will add that one though. Really hurt em.

Sorry sent you to the wrong page but T.A.M got it covered.

[Gravy]

Originally Posted by MarkyX

Anything windows media can know.

But I can't wait a few hours, unless someone right now has new material for me to work with so I can ignore this dilemma later.

The video is going to be around 25 minutes but it only has dylan avery and jim fizter. Must...get more!

I would like to tear Alex Jones a new one.

Sounds like you're working on a deadline...or are you just amped up?

[T.A.M.]

mms://demand.stream.aol.com/cnn/us/2001/09/12/vosot.family.911.ktvu.med.asf

put the above in your browser command line

when it tells you it needs to run an external applic, let it. for me it brought up my eindows media player. from their you can save it.

[T.A.M.]

a shoot, it only brings it to media player as a stream. cant seem to save it....working on it.

[kevin]

Originally Posted by kevin

let me see if i left my vnc server on. i might be able to do it from work.

nope. i can't get it until i get home.

[60hzxtl]

Originally Posted by Gravy

They're more like a faulty flourescent fixture: noisy but dim.

HEY! That's a 60hz buzz -

[MarkyX]

Originally Posted by Gravy

Sounds like you're working on a deadline...or are you just amped up?

Both.

BTW, found a way to record streaming. Don't worry about it.

Dylan Avery is right...this will be a good year for truth.

[JamesB]

Originally Posted by MarkyX

The scene I had in mind is going to make Fetzer and the Truth movement look like complete jackasses and a little more.

Oh, like that is hard.

[MarkyX]

Originally Posted by JamesB

Oh, like that is hard.

You did it in blogs, I'm doing in video form

Fetzer is down...the Loose Change crew is down...

Any more pontetial victims of their arrogance?

[T.A.M.]

http://en.hoonnet.com/english1/recorder_intro.html

Here is a free stream recorder that will allow you to record the stream to an .asf file that you can actually download into your favorite nle suite

[T.A.M.]

Anyone know where i can find audio of Alex Jones saying the phone calls from 93 were fake.

[Regnad Kcin]

Originally Posted by Sword_Of_Truth

Someone remind me who it was that first predicted violence from unbalanced truthers in this insanely mammoth thread?

Whoever it was, call Mr. Randi to pick up your prize.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...4/MN115878.DTL...

Quote:

McCaslin was wearing a bulletproof vest, blue fatigues with "Phantom Patriot" spelled out in red letters across the chest and a rubber skeleton mask when he crept into the grove.

He quickly found himself hopelessly lost and bouncing off the trees in the pitch dark after his flashlight went out. Feeling "almost silly," he said he felt his way into a cabin, flopped down on a cot and went to sleep.

"Almost" silly?

[Shrinker]

Anyone with appropriate security measures dare to drop this over at Loose Change? There may be a badge in it for you.

Otherwise, SLC or other bloggers take a copy if you like.

[T.A.M.]

That picture sums it up to a T. I think I will make that my new wallpaper.

Kudos

[kevin]

if you still need this, i put a WMV version here:

http://www.box.net/public/static/p81cgk7j45.wmv

[Childlike Empress]

[T.A.M.]

I'll consider believing, my dear, when one of your "scholarly" group can show us either bit of "quality" evidence that proves it was an inside job.

Oh and trust me, if your gonna go get some of the same old ***** that those rediculous blubbering idiots have used before, don't bother, as it will just get hung out to dry over here, by legitimate logic, and with cross reference to real articles that will prove it wrong.

That being said though, nice pic.

[T.A.M.]

Maybe a quote from the one and only mechanical engineer in the lot...you know the one with the Keebler elf theory....the WTCs were just like trees..

[Shrinker]

Are they the Illuminati?

[Senor_Pointy]

Originally Posted by Shrinker

Are they the Illuminati?

NO! They're teh Illuminati Jooooozzz!