Loose Change - Part IV

[brumsen]

Originally Posted by T.A.M.

No doubt this will be their new "smoking gun". Meanwhile, do they even stop to think...[...]. (2) To properly demolish a building, the explosives are place on every floor...so where are the flashes on every floor

Here is something that I do not understand; perhaps someone could clear it up for me?
How could it BOTH be obvious that
(a) in the case of WTC1 and WTC2, the collapse was going to continue all the way down once one (or perhaps a couple) of floors were destroyed, and
(b) point 2 above?

I mean...it would then make sense with such buildings to blow up just one or two floors to perform a CD, would it not?

[R.Mackey]

Originally Posted by brumsen

Here is something that I do not understand; perhaps someone could clear it up for me?
How could it BOTH be obvious that
(a) in the case of WTC1 and WTC2, the collapse was going to continue all the way down once one (or perhaps a couple) of floors were destroyed, and
(b) point 2 above?

I mean...it would then make sense with such buildings to blow up just one or two floors to perform a CD, would it not?

Hello again, brumsen.

Nope, makes no sense at all. Not unless you think the way the WTC towers came down would be an acceptable commercial controlled demolition.

Blow just one floor and they'd collapse, true (unless you blew very close to the top, perhaps), but most CDs try not to destroy ten other buildings and make a huge flaming pile of debris. The more structural elements you destroy, the more control you have. QED.

[Grundar]

Originally Posted by Alareth

Moose Change - Dylan Avery Speaks



Why yes Dylan, I believe that is the first truthful thing I've heard you say.

And from the same thread by global moderator Cary:

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Okay, dabigkid. You got yourself an indefinite suspension with recommendation for a permanent ban. Drag your dumbass, shitwitted claims elsewhere. This isn't a debate forum you nimrod.

yes definatly not a debate forum so why even have one? great way to find the truth.

note: dabigkid got perma suspended/banned after thees three posts

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1. mod edit:spam
2. spam
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ok, bigkid, to your opinion, who was behind 9/11 ?

A third party, not affiliated with the USA government in anyway. I don't know who exactly, but I know who wasn't.

/Hans

[Submersible]

Originally Posted by Belz...

To the best of my knowledge the jury's still out on aspartame. I hate the taste, though..

http://www.rense.com/general33/legal.htm
The "Bressler Report" is an interesting read, it's not that I don't like to read or that I am too lazy to invest the time to investigate these reports "properly".. I've read and seen enough to accept reality for what it is.
http://www.dorway.com/bressler.html

Originally Posted by Belz...

Liar. We're very much aware that 1/3 people are affected by cancer (whether of not that statistics is true.) And I'm still waiting on your evidence for that food thing..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bovine_somatotropin
I understand that you are having some trouble questioning the "official" reports, but if you spend a little bit of time looking at the facts contained on the "organicconsumers" page that explains the TRUE history of MONSANTO, then you can go back to the wiki definition of r(BGH) and swallow the fact that the science giant of the world is in fact lying.

http://www.organicconsumers.org/monlink.html
Make sure you scroll down to the bottom left hand side of that page for some lovely mug shots.
And there is about two or three dozen more that I can list for you that have walked through the "revolving door" that have played an important part in our genetic rape... but they eat a little further down the line.
lemme know if your interested, I can rattle that shiite off like a "professional".

Originally Posted by Belz...

Everything is derived from natural stuff. Please provide your evidence that it "cures cancer"..

Everything is not derived from natural stuff anymore.



http://reason.com/bi/bi-gmf.shtml

http://www.ethicalinvesting.com/mons...rminator.shtml

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0126-07.htm

Originally Posted by Belz...

Cancer isn't "cured" like the common cold. I would venture to say that the natural tendency of ALL cells is to be cancerous. There are mechanisms that prevent this, for obvious reasons, but this means that the slightest damage to a cell's genetic structure can cause cancer..

http://health.centreforce.com/health/laetrile.html

Originally Posted by Belz...

But they WERE released..

Do you have an image of a 757 on approach to the pentagon before it crashed ? Didn't that plane make a U-turn and show up on three or four other closed circuit cameras that were swiftly collected by the "men in black" ? Where are they?

Originally Posted by Belz...

You were correct, and thank you. Do you deny that explosions can be the result of things that aren't explosives ?
.

Sure.

Originally Posted by Belz...

Well, I'm sorry if reading makes your mind numb, but to me, the analysis of people whose expertise far exceeds mine is much more reliable than videos that I am not qualified to interpret..

Well, maybe I AM qualified to interpret them, or at least give my opinion that for some reason inspires so many of you to insult or disagree with me because of what you have read in some REPORT. Maybe after you read some of the official USG reports concerning certain deadly chemicals in families dinner table.

Originally Posted by Belz...

Wrong. The steel HAD to be taken away. The planes HAD to be taken away. You can't just let these things sit there forever..

Well maybe they can get ahold of that high speed RECYCLING machine and send it on down to N.O... the least FEMA could let them do is borrow it dontcha think?!

http://www.hpsupplies.info/images/Lo-Landfill.jpg

And as far as the planes being taken away, it doesn't look like there was enough left of flight 93 to put in a wheel-barrow.

Originally Posted by Belz...

They MAKE people ignorant ? Honestly, I don't know how that would happen. Do they decrease the intelligence, or remove memories, or what ? In either case, please provide evidence that this is the case. A double-blind test would be appreciated..

My double blind test machine is on the fritz, but since you still can't see how most of this puzzle fits together maybe it will help if you invest the time to read the links and analyze the information from the only blog I've ever written, and you can come up with a reply to that "overall picture".
My little sister told me recently that most people are unable to understand that "expression" because either they knew me previously and it was somewhat foreign coming from me, or they just didn't know how to respond because they couldn't accept the fact that we have been intentionally misled, so blatantly.

http://is-this-the-american-way.blog...ce-is-key.html

I spent three months in federal custody and am currently awaiting trial for discussing the solution to the problems in that blog ONCE on the telephone.It's a little bit "heated" and I guess you could say I've matured since then.
I didn't like prison. AT ALL.
(and no I didn't get punked)

Originally Posted by Belz...

I'm Canadian, thanks. Lots of people from the UK, here, too. And from around the world. Perhaps you should forego that preaching part.

Thanks, last time I checked Canada and the UK were both still considered as being on EARTH.

Originally Posted by MarkyX

This one?

And you see no similarities in these two images ?



Anybody got a picture or written explanation for why the structural integrity of this building failed in the center of the structure?
Thankyouverymuch!

Originally Posted by kookbreaker

I've said it before: I dare any of these 'Cancer cures are being supressed by doctors' crowd to go up to a medical professional who works in the Cancer ward of a hospital (one of the most depressing jobs in medicine as I understand it). They should then explain their theory, with full inclusion that they consider the people working in the Cancer ward to be just as culpable.

They might then reconsider their flakey opinions while their face is being reattached.

That's just it!
Look at your "stand" against me !
Do you honestly think that one person or a small campaign of people could take a stand against the entire medical world? Do you think the pharmacutical companies would allow something a simple as B-17 to put a dent in their Trillion dollar game of "medical monopoly" ?

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Vitamin B17 was the subject of great controversy over 20 years ago when some of the world's top scientists claimed that when consumed, the components of the seed make it 100% impossible to develop cancer and will kill existing cancer in most cases. The pharmaceutical companies pounced on this claim immediately and demanded that FDA studies be conducted. The results of these studies are found in the book "World Without Cancer", by G. Edward Griffin.
The pharmaceuticals companies together with the medical establishment pushed the FDA into makingit illegal to sell "raw" apricot seeds or vitamin B17 with information about its effects on cancer. Even to this day, you can't get raw apricot seeds in your health food store, only the sun dried ones which have all the important enzymes killed off.

Why can't you buy raw apricot seeds in this country?

Originally Posted by T.A.M.

Submersible:OFF TOPIC

B-17 is crap. Show me one <b>double blind control trial </b>that proves it <b>cures</b> cancer, just one, in a respected journal, and I will give it further consideration. For it to cure cancer, I would want to see 10 year follow up studies on the same patients who got it, showing NO SIGN of cancer. Other wise, at most it would be a natural Chemo agent, and nothing more.

TAM

You drive a hard bargain lady, do you at least find it "FISHY" that natural apricot seeds are illegal in this country? ?

http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp...itamin_b17.htm

Originally Posted by Gravy

Three questions, submersible:

1) Is your real name Kevin Trudeau?
negative.

2) Why do you disrespect professionalism?
because we are all lost like a fart in a windstorm.

3) What do you think about chemtrails?
I might look up the definition if it's not too late when I get finished responding to all of these compliments

Originally Posted by CptColumbo

If it is on the news "on a daily basis," you should have no trouble producing multiple photos.

I haven't watched the news since I got out of jail, but it was flying in the background before I went in... and it was still there the day before I got released.

Originally Posted by gumboot

How do you explain people like me, who think 9/11 happened pretty much the way the official story claims (minor tweaks, here and there) but doesn't consume American food, thus isn't controlled by your strange mind-drugs?

Other than Posilac, the herbicides pesticides and fertilizer monopoly that exist in this country effects us all on a worldwide scale. There are 4 or 5 "Gene Giants" in the world and they have all chosen to "treat" the population of the world with the same recipe.
There are a few countries that do not permit (GE) food or seeds.

Originally Posted by gumboot

Oh so the NWO's objective is to kill all Americans via cancer? Why?

It's all about the benjamins, money that is.

Originally Posted by gumboot

I find your comments about VERY disturbing. You clearly lack the least degree of understanding of the scenario in question, and yet you arrogantly think you know better than the experts who study these sorts of things for a job.

No. no . no . no. no .
I don't claim to KNOW anything friend.
I'm simply discussing some of the CT issues that ya'll apparently have been involved with for quite a long time now, and my opinion obviously isn't that popular.
seriously, ya'll don't KNOW what happened either.
MOST of you are simply going by the reports or "stories" that you've read from sources that promote your side of the coin.

Originally Posted by gumboot

What footage would this be? From what cameras?

The convience store, the DMV, and the hotel next door.

Originally Posted by gumboot

No, this is a forum of intelligent people who realise that looking at a bunch of videos tells you very little about what is going on. It is a bunch of people who realise just how misleading images can be. It's a bunch of people who respect those that have studied a given field enough to become experts in it.

Well there you go, you just summed it all up for me.
I don't believe that images and video footage that I've crossreferenced with everybody's "offerings" is misleading.
And I don't respect the majority of the people who are in charge of making decisions in this country, especially the "experts". As a matter of fact, I've found them to be VERY misleading.

Originally Posted by gumboot

On the historical scale, 9/11 is smallfry. "Greatest crime of all times"? Please. Push your American ego aside for a moment and take a brief trip down history lane.

Your right, I was wrong for saying that... but hey this little war ain't over with yet and there is no talk around the coffee pot concerning an "exit strategy".

Originally Posted by gumboot

Why do you keep going with this line of reasoning? The majority of physical evidence has repeatedly been presented. When was it "erased"?

Where is it? Why was all of the evidence that would PROVE that 19 muslims "attacked" this country destroyed or made unavailable to the American public. Of the few images that do exist, some of them are very misleading because they don't belong to the plane that supposedly crashed at the scene, or show a plume of smoke that flight 93 supposedly "vaporized" in.. including all of the passengers teeth.

Originally Posted by gumboot

"It's not my fault I'm stupid, honest, the government made me like this."

ditto.

Originally Posted by gumboot

You're right. A bunch of fantatical terrorists slaughtered nearly 3,000 civilians for the sake of their sick ideology. "Something ain't right" is a major understatement.

-Andrew

And there hasn't been one fanatical terrorist to be found in this country since then eventho' the American war machine is in their home land destroying and taking the lives of a few hundred thousand innocent women and children.
You better believe it ! Something ain't right about that.
Do you ever wonder what it will be like if "we the people" are wrong for funding that, and we have to pay for it in hell or our children have to pay for it on Earth?
brrr

Originally Posted by MortFurd

And just where should the enormous volume of material have been stored? Should they have carted it all off and kept it on a lot in the desert? Should they have vacuumed New York and kept all the dust?

Anywhere ! It certainly shouldn't have been destroyed.

Originally Posted by MortFurd

You must have gotten a double dose, some how. The rest of the world is not eating "mind control food" from the US government, and they still accept the official conclusions.

Oh yeah, I got a double dose but that was a long time ago.
And you are wrong about what the rest of the world is eating and the source of science behind the "entiey" that controls over 80% of the SEED in this world.

Originally Posted by MortFurd

Anti-semitism?

Naah.. not really.

Originally Posted by MortFurd

Don't exist. Repeat after me: Don't exist. B17 (Laetrile) is not a wonder cure for cancer. Most Germans won't even believe that, and they'll swallow homeopathy, chiropracty, accupuncture, and blood crystal analyisis along with using pendulums to select the correct medication.

See above links. or google "B-17" and try to pretend that the FDA is not controlled by ANGELS and it is quite possible that they LIE to U.S.... sometimes.

Originally Posted by MortFurd

It is obvious that submersible doesn't eat. Since the food makes everyone believe everything the government says, and submersible doesn't believe, it follows that submersible doesn't eat. Unless he grows his own, of course.

That is my goal.

Originally Posted by MortFurd

Just a little note:
If the food made everyone so gullible, then they would be responsive to every suggestion, not just the ones from the government.

We are idiots for allowing about 100 different ingredients to keep flowing into our food supply. The patent ran out on aspartame, a Japanese company owns the rights to it now and they can't even sell it in their country.
It is still produced right next door to Posilac on Lovers lane in Agusta Georgia, if for some reason you ever wanted to take a ride and look at this nations greatest source of preventable death.


NOTE: If you want to continue this OFF TOPIC discussion any further please send a PM because I'm not to keep responding to issues that have nothing to do with this thread. eventho' I enjoy it.
Thank you for your time.

[Orphia Nay]

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Why can't you buy raw apricot seeds in this country?

You can if you order online... knock yourself out.


Orphia Nay's handy Health Warning: "Organic" doesn't mean they're not toxic... for that to be the case, they'd have to be.... hold on to your hats.... Genetically Modified. DUNH DUH DUH! The conspiracy deepens!!!

[MortFurd]

Originally Posted by Submersible

Why can't you buy raw apricot seeds in this country?



You drive a hard bargain lady, do you at least find it "FISHY" that natural apricot seeds are illegal in this country? ?

Not suspicious in the slightest that it is hard to get raw apricot seeds:
Cyanide poisoning information. Note especially that Laetrile (B17) has caused deaths through cyanide poisoning. I also see that lima beans are on par with apricot seeds (9 and 10 mg/100g,) and that tapioca puts them both to shame (245g/100g.)

That's it for lima beans for me. Luckily I never liked apricot pits or tapioca.

Lest you think the previous site is part of a US conspiracy, here is a German site that mentions the poisonous effects of apricot seeds.

[MortFurd]

Originally Posted by orphia nay

You can if you order online... knock yourself out.


Orphia Nay's handy Health Warning: "Organic" doesn't mean they're not toxic... for that to be the case, they'd have to be.... hold on to your hats.... Genetically Modified. DUNH DUH DUH! The conspiracy deepens!!!

"Organic" dosen't mean non-toxic anyway. Think deadly nightshade, jimson weed, opium poppies. All natural and all poisonous.

[Brainache]

Originally Posted by MortFurd

"Organic" dosen't mean non-toxic anyway. Think deadly nightshade, jimson weed, opium poppies. All natural and all poisonous.

Yeah we've got some bloody organic spiders snakes and jellyfish down here in Aus. As far as I know they don't produce their venom in factories.

[MortFurd]

Originally Posted by Brainache

Yeah we've got some bloody organic spiders snakes and jellyfish down here in Aus. As far as I know they don't produce their venom in factories.

Same goes for the delightful rattle snakes, cotton mouths, and black widow spiders in the US.

"Get 'yer all natural 1000% biological snake oil, er, snake venom here!"

[MarkyX]

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nd you see no similarities in these two images ?

No.

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Everything is not derived from natural stuff anymore.

Wow....

So you are one of those types that thing there is rat genes or fish genes in our foods.

You do know the sole reason that we are able to feed so many people is because of modified foods to produce a larger yield on crops, right? If we went back to natural growing, there would be literally millions of people dying due to food shortages.

Norman Borlaugh created a modified high-yield wheat in Mexico, India, and Pakistan. He even travelled around Africa. When he won the noble peace prize in 1977, they claimed that he saved over a billion people because of his work.

B. Billion. Not million.

I guess it's easy to complain about modified foods since you are not the one starving to death.

[chipmunk stew]

Originally Posted by Submersible

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fema/fig-5-23a.jpg

Anybody got a picture or written explanation for why the structural integrity of this building failed in the center of the structure?
Thankyouverymuch!

This isn't final yet, but it does have both picture and written explanations:
http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/WTC%20Part%...se%20Final.pdf

[kookbreaker]

Quote:

That's just it!
Look at your "stand" against me !
Do you honestly think that one person or a small campaign of people could take a stand against the entire medical world?

Cancer drug development requires the asisstance of cancer treating doctors. Without them, there would be no development of said drugs. That means that if any 'cure' is being supressed or hidden it either didn't work in the first place or the pharmacuetical companies managed to test it on nothing.

Either that, or the cancer treating doctors of the world are all part of the conspiracy since they all tested the drugs, and then helped the drug companies hide the results.

Go ahead, go tell those doctors that is what they did. Go tell them that they are letting memebers of their own family die and watching innumerable patients suffer for a few bucks. Go ahead, tell them that is what they did you snivelling emotional coward. Back your words and conspriacy goombah nonsense with actual confrontations with the people who effecrtive accuse. Go on, do it! Stop hiding behind your keyboard playing with conpsiracy accusations the way a moron plays with his own feces. Get out and see how the world really works, not how some conspiracy guru tells you how it works. Learn how your stupid, thoughtless comments aimed to stab at some perceived injustice actually accuse many hard working people of the medical community of letting people suffer.

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Do you think the pharmacutical companies would allow something a simple as B-17 to put a dent in their Trillion dollar game of "medical monopoly" ?

Do you think you can hide a cure you've tested? All the blinding in the world can't hide an outright cure for cancer.

[chipmunk stew]

Originally Posted by Submersible

I haven't watched the news since I got out of jail, but it was flying in the background before I went in... and it was still there the day before I got released.

Mind satisfying my curiosity? What were you in for?

[MortFurd]

Originally Posted by Chipmunk_Stew

Mind satisfying my curiosity? What were you in for?

For this, he claims:

Originally Posted by Submersible

My double blind test machine is on the fritz, but since you still can't see how most of this puzzle fits together maybe it will help if you invest the time to read the links and analyze the information from the only blog I've ever written, and you can come up with a reply to that "overall picture".
My little sister told me recently that most people are unable to understand that "expression" because either they knew me previously and it was somewhat foreign coming from me, or they just didn't know how to respond because they couldn't accept the fact that we have been intentionally misled, so blatantly.

http://is-this-the-american-way.blog...ce-is-key.html

I spent three months in federal custody and am currently awaiting trial for discussing the solution to the problems in that blog ONCE on the telephone.It's a little bit "heated" and I guess you could say I've matured since then.
I didn't like prison. AT ALL.
(and no I didn't get punked)

[WildCat]

Originally Posted by MortFurd

For this, he claims:

I'm guessing he made threatening phone calls.

[chipmunk stew]

Originally Posted by MortFurd

For this, he claims:

I don't understand. Did he call Monsanto threatening to bomb it or something?

[MortFurd]

He says discussing it on the phone once.

Whether what Submersible calls a discussion is what you or I would call a threat is an open question that Submersible will have to answer.


I greatly suspect we will be told it was a normal discussion and that he was arrested for daring to buck the status quo.

[Gravy]

Originally Posted by Submersible

And as far as the planes being taken away, it doesn't look like there was enough left of flight 93 to put in a wheel-barrow.

Question: what the hell is wrong with you?

I've already posted these links for you. Are you playing dumb, or is it too much of a bother for you to click some links?

****
At Shanksville, which was by far the smallest of the three crash scenes, over 1,100 people from 74 agencies and organizations were on the scene.

On 9/11 alone, these included:

• 8 Police Departments
• 7 EMS Services
• 8 Fire Departments
• 10 Emergency Management Agencies
• NTSB
• ATF
• FBI
• CISM
• Red Cross
• United Airlines

Some information from, and about, agencies that were on the scene.

http://tinyurl.com/f83mb
http://tinyurl.com/k3jhx
http://tinyurl.com/jx3u7
http://www.dep.state.pa.us/dep/emerg...es/091201d.htm
http://www.epa.gov/region7/news_even...y/flight93.pdf (this site is good when the link works, which it doesn't always.)

Then there's the fact that most of the plane was recovered, examined for signs of explosives by the FBI, and turned over to United Airlines (except for the black boxes, which went to the NTSB).
http://tinyurl.com/hmbjm
http://tinyurl.com/z7ume

Remains from every victim were recovered and positively identified.
http://tinyurl.com/4hpaq

Have further questions about victim ID? Why not ask Paul Sledzik, who led the Flight 93 Disaster Mortuary Team, or Dr. Dennis C. Dirkmaat, who was Miller's chief scientific advisor?
http://tinyurl.com/mzkp6

The personal effects of most victims were recovered and returned to the families.
http://tinyurl.com/erazm

The phone calls made from the plane:
http://tinyurl.com/j4zjv
http://tinyurl.com/h4u44

Photo of Airfone from flight 93 crash scene
http://tinyurl.com/qnd8l

The Air Traffic Control recordings and accounts.
http://tinyurl.com/ncwf9
http://tinyurl.com/qg3ht

The Cockpit Voice Recorder recording transcript: http://tinyurl.com/rxe8a
Photo of CVR: http://tinyurl.com/lulmt

The Flight Data Recorder recording.
http://tinyurl.com/myayp
Photo of FDR: http://tinyurl.com/osa7m

The NORAD recordings.
http://tinyurl.com/rc2dn

The numerous witnesses on the ground (these are just a few accounts.)

"There was a great explosion and you could see the flames. It was a massive, massive explosion. Flames and then smoke and then a massive, massive mushroom cloud."
http://tinyurl.com/m347n

Then Peterson said he saw a fireball, heard an explosion and saw a mushroom cloud of smoke rise into the sky.

Peterson rushed to the scene on an all-terrain vehicle and when he arrived he saw bits and pieces of an airliner spread over a large area of an abandoned strip-mine in Stonycreek Township.

"There was a crater in the ground that was really burning," Peterson said. Strewn about were pieces of clothing hanging from trees and parts of the Boeing 757, but nothing bigger than a couple of feet long, he said. Many of the items were burning.
http://tinyurl.com/fa75e

"I just watched with my mouth open as this yellow mushroom cloud rose up just like an atomic bomb over the hill where I like to go hunting," said 72- year-old John Walsh. [Say, maybe it was an A-Bomb!]

Barefoot and in his bathrobe, he drove up the dirt road to rescue anyone he could find. There would be nothing he could do.

Debris, including photographs and other papers that survived the fireball, was strewn over a wide area. Residents have spent days collecting it.
http://tinyurl.com/oapxx

"When the plane hit, it sounded like something just fell on the roof. Everybody sort of panicked," she said. "I went to the window and saw all this smoke coming up and I just pointed and screamed."
http://tinyurl.com/rl5qc

Charles Sturtz, 53, who lives just over the hillside from the crash site, said a fireball 200 feet high shot up over the hill. He got to the crash scene even before the firefighters.
http://tinyurl.com/rl5qc

Bob Blair was completing a routine drive to Shade Creek just after 10 a.m. Tuesday, when he saw a huge silver plane fly past him just above the treetops and crash into the woods along Lambertsville Road.
Blair, of Stoystown, a driver with Jim Barron Trucking of Somerset, was traveling in a coal truck along with Doug Miller of Somerset, when they saw the plane spiraling to the ground and then explode on the outskirts of Lambertsville.

“I saw the plane flying upside down overhead and crash into the nearby trees. My buddy, Doug, and I grabbed our fire extinguishers and ran to the scene,” said Blair.
http://tinyurl.com/guct4

The 300 volunteers who collected debris and remains in the final sweep three weeks after the crash.
http://tinyurl.com/kuv73

Photos of the crash scene, debris, and personal effects.
http://tinyurl.com/kuv73
http://tinyurl.com/p7zzn
http://tinyurl.com/h7ghq
http://911myths.com/html/flight_93_photos.html
http://tinyurl.com/qd4oo
http://tinyurl.com/r5m8t
http://tinyurl.com/m2tnf
http://tinyurl.com/nfy5f
Slideshow of site and debris: http://tinyurl.com/hfqan

http://www.epa.gov/region7/news_even...y/flight93.pdf (this site is good when the link works, which it doesn't always. Some photos from it below.)






Hijacker identification from the crash scene:
http://tinyurl.com/ppknu
http://tinyurl.com/qt3an
http://tinyurl.com/om544
http://tinyurl.com/logjb
http://tinyurl.com/n9zkl
http://tinyurl.com/mrw64

Val McClatchey's photo (certified as authentic by the FBI's examination of her camera's memory card.)
http://tinyurl.com/r577d

The Falcon 20 crew's report.
http://www.post-gazette.com/headline...rjetnat5p5.asp

The C-130 crew's report
http://tinyurl.com/mg4xh

40 Lives, One Destiny.
http://tinyurl.com/m7x3r

[rwguinn]

Originally Posted by orphia nay

You can if you order online... knock yourself out.


Orphia Nay's handy Health Warning: "Organic" doesn't mean they're not toxic... for that to be the case, they'd have to be.... hold on to your hats.... Genetically Modified. DUNH DUH DUH! The conspiracy deepens!!!

you don't have to order online. Albertsons and Kroeger had apricots on sale at .99 per pound--and every one of them contains a seed. My neighbor has a tree full of the things in his back yard.
What kind of BS do these CT'ers think we'll swallow?

[CurtC]

Gravy, that is a good collection of flight 93 witness accounts. Have you posted that in Killtown's "smoke plume" thread? These accounts would be impossible to reconcile with his accusations of fakery.

[Gravy]

Originally Posted by CurtC

Gravy, that is a good collection of flight 93 witness accounts. Have you posted that in Killtown's "smoke plume" thread? These accounts would be impossible to reconcile with his accusations of fakery.

Yes, I gathered them specifically because Killtown dared me to show eyewitness reports of the plume. When I posted them on that thread and repeatedly asked him if these people were lying, he wouldn't respond.

[apathoid]

Originally Posted by CurtC

Gravy, that is a good collection of flight 93 witness accounts. Have you posted that in Killtown's "smoke plume" thread? These accounts would be impossible to reconcile with his accusations of fakery.

Gravy posted those links for Killtown on many occasions. Not sure what Killtowns response was, he probably just ignored them.....like he does everything that destroys his idiotic claims.

[twinstead]

Originally Posted by apathoid

Gravy posted those links for Killtown on many occasions. Not sure what Killtowns response was, he probably just ignored them.....like he does everything that destroys his idiotic claims.

I'll second that. Not only did he not respond when Gravy posted them, but when asked (very politely) repeatedly by me (yea, even made me delurk) and many others to make a comment, any comment, on the excellent information Gravy posted, the silence was deafening.

[CurtC]

Originally Posted by Gravy

Yes, I gathered them specifically because Killtown dared me to show eyewitness reports of the plume. When I posted them on that thread and repeatedly asked him if these people were lying, he wouldn't respond.

Hmm, it would be a shame if someone copied all that and posted it in his "smoke plume" thread over at the LC Forum.

[Belz...]

Originally Posted by Alareth

Why yes Dylan, I believe that is the first truthful thing I've heard you say.

Doesn't seem to take parody very well, does he ?

[Hellbound]

Originally Posted by CurtC

Hmm, it would be a shame if someone copied all that and posted it in his "smoke plume" thread over at the LC Forum.

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Ch...&#entry7102968

Done.

[Belz...]

Originally Posted by Submersible

http://www.rense.com/general33/legal.htm
The "Bressler Report" is an interesting read, it's not that I don't like to read or that I am too lazy to invest the time to investigate these reports "properly".. I've read and seen enough to accept reality for what it is.
http://www.dorway.com/bressler.html

1977 ?

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bovine_somatotropin
I understand that you are having some trouble questioning the "official" reports, but if you spend a little bit of time looking at the facts contained on the "organicconsumers" page that explains the TRUE history of MONSANTO, then you can go back to the wiki definition of r(BGH) and swallow the fact that the science giant of the world is in fact lying.

Ah! So ALL scientists are evil bastards ? Scientists don't become scientists to understand how stuff works^tm, but to poison the human world ? What the hell are you saying, here ?

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Make sure you scroll down to the bottom left hand side of that page for some lovely mug shots.
And there is about two or three dozen more that I can list for you that have walked through the "revolving door" that have played an important part in our genetic rape... but they eat a little further down the line.
lemme know if your interested, I can rattle that shiite off like a "professional".

You DO know that food doesn't change your DNA, right ?

If I may go out on a limb, I'll presume you're a person without actual expertise, angry at how other, smarter people actually manage to make a life for themselves and be more successful, economically.

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Everything is not derived from natural stuff anymore.

REALLY? So we can make molecules out of thin air ?

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http://health.centreforce.com/health/laetrile.html

"It was even more strongly claimed that when one eats about 7 apricot seeds per day they can never develop cancer, just as one can never get scurvy if they have an orange every day, or pellagra if they have some B vitamins every day.

And eating shark genitalia makes you a sex machine. Gosh, I hate alternative crap.

If it's that easy, sub, it should be a breeze to double-blind test this one. Wanna have a go at it ?

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Do you have an image of a 757 on approach to the pentagon before it crashed ? Didn't that plane make a U-turn and show up on three or four other closed circuit cameras that were swiftly collected by the "men in black" ? Where are they?

They only exist in your head. The Pentagon had surveillance cameras for its parking lot. Why would you want those cameras to follow an approaching plane is beyond me.

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Sure.

Do you DENY that explosions can be the result of things that aren't explosives ?

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Well, maybe I AM qualified to interpret them,

Then present your credentials.

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Well maybe they can get ahold of that high speed RECYCLING machine and send it on down to N.O... the least FEMA could let them do is borrow it dontcha think?!

Who to the what, now ? You don't think they just feed the steel to sharks, do you ?

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And as far as the planes being taken away, it doesn't look like there was enough left of flight 93 to put in a wheel-barrow.

You haven't seen the same images I have. Personally, I'd have gone without the charred bodies.

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My double blind test machine is on the fritz, but since you still can't see how most of this puzzle fits together maybe it will help if you invest the time to read the links and analyze the information from the only blog I've ever written, and you can come up with a reply to that "overall picture".

Yes, assembling puzzles is fun, but your "overall picture" looks like this:

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My little sister told me recently that most people are unable to understand that "expression" because either they knew me previously and it was somewhat foreign coming from me, or they just didn't know how to respond because they couldn't accept the fact that we have been intentionally misled, so blatantly.

Misled by who ? It's not like I trust M. Bush.

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I spent three months in federal custody and am currently awaiting trial for discussing the solution to the problems in that blog ONCE on the telephone.It's a little bit "heated" and I guess you could say I've matured since then.

No. I don't suppose I could.

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Thanks, last time I checked Canada and the UK were both still considered as being on EARTH.

You have a very short memory. You said: "We ARE all ONE, and in this country, we are not far from suffocating ourselves."

Clearly, people from other countries are not adressed by this assertion.

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Anybody got a picture or written explanation for why the structural integrity of this building failed in the center of the structure?

Why shouldn't it ?

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Do you think the pharmacutical companies would allow something a simple as B-17 to put a dent in their Trillion dollar game of "medical monopoly" ?

If they can market it ? Sure.

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Why can't you buy raw apricot seeds in this country?

You can, here.

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Other than Posilac, the herbicides pesticides and fertilizer monopoly that exist in this country effects us all on a worldwide scale. There are 4 or 5 "Gene Giants" in the world and they have all chosen to "treat" the population of the world with the same recipe.
There are a few countries that do not permit (GE) food or seeds.

Gotta hate those resilient, nutritious and fertile genetically-engineered food, as opposed to the far less-reliable, "natural" foods.

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I don't claim to KNOW anything friend.

Even about cancer and the medical "monopoly" ?

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And I don't respect the majority of the people who are in charge of making decisions in this country, especially the "experts". As a matter of fact, I've found them to be VERY misleading.

Why ? Doesn't appeal to your "common sense" ?

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And there hasn't been one fanatical terrorist to be found in this country since then eventho' the American war machine is in their home land destroying and taking the lives of a few hundred thousand innocent women and children.

Are... are you supporting the terrorists ?

[Brainster]

I'm just staggered by this site, called Internet Detectives. It's right up there with 9-11 Myths, Gravy's Guide, and Debunking 9-11. Well-written, solid analysis, links to data... terrific job. I've invited the site creator to join us over here.

[chipmunk stew]

I just noticed a quote at the top of the Louder Than Words website from Hunter S. Thompson:

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If there's anything worth doing, it's worth doing right.

And failing that, it's worth doing over.

[Pardalis]

Originally Posted by brumsen

Here is something that I do not understand; perhaps someone could clear it up for me?
How could it BOTH be obvious that
(a) in the case of WTC1 and WTC2, the collapse was going to continue all the way down once one (or perhaps a couple) of floors were destroyed, and
(b) point 2 above?

I mean...it would then make sense with such buildings to blow up just one or two floors to perform a CD, would it not?

Let it be clear for you: there were already explosions! Remember those planes slamming in these buildings?

[LashL]

Originally Posted by Brainster

I'm just staggered by this site, called Internet Detectives. It's right up there with 9-11 Myths, Gravy's Guide, and Debunking 9-11. Well-written, solid analysis, links to data... terrific job. I've invited the site creator to join us over here.

Wow - that is a terrific site indeed!

[kookbreaker]

Originally Posted by Brainster

I'm just staggered by this site, called Internet Detectives. It's right up there with 9-11 Myths, Gravy's Guide, and Debunking 9-11. Well-written, solid analysis, links to data... terrific job. I've invited the site creator to join us over here.

I loved this line:

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Attempting to be prepared for a farfetched situation doesn't indicate an intention to create the situation. Do you put on your seatbelt and drive off a cliff?

[WildCat]

Submersible does have a point about the apricot seeds. If you eat a large quantity of them you will never develop cancer - because the cyanide in the seeds will kill you long before cancer develops.

Similarly, you will not die of cancer if you get a bullet shot through your head... but most of you probably understand that is hardly a good preventative measure.

[tsig]

Originally Posted by LashL

Wow - that is a terrific site indeed!

Hi LL I read most of your 15 rounds with Jondoex at the CN. Shame you got banned.

JDX has never flown a plane, Billzilla showed that over at LC. JDX just doesnt have the confidence that pilots have.

[negativ]

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Attempting to be prepared for a farfetched situation doesn't indicate an intention to create the situation. Do you put on your seatbelt and drive off a cliff?

That line turned up at the LC forums:

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Ch...ic=12298&st=30

For those who can't / don't want to go there, the thread concerns a bunch of speculation on "something big" happening on 7 Sept 06 based on:

* a terrorism emergency preparedness drill scheduled for that day
* a paranoid article about a coming "nuclear false flag" operation
* bizarre numerology that's being taken far too seriously
* stock trade records

Anyway, the apropriately-named site admin "CrazyBlade" wins the Utterly-Oblivious-To-The-Obvious Award by replying with:

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And you know its a far-fetched situation how??

/upwardpointingsmiley

[T.A.M.]

Submersible:
I am male, so calling me "lady" seems just...odd.

as for Apricot seeds aka Laetrile aka Amygdalin, all you need to read, as usual, is right here...

http://www.quackwatch.org/01Quackery.../laetrile.html

TAM

[Regnad Kcin]

By the way, Mr. Avery and Mr. Rowe are mentioned and quoted in the latest edition of Time:

"Why The 9/11 Conspiracies Won't Go Away"

[T.A.M.]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...20725604&q=ufo

It is a bit off topic, but if you wanna a good look and a laugh at a loon, go watch this video they are talking about over at LC...

[T.A.M.]

At the 35:20 point or so, Mr. Montablan (I dont know his real claim) claims that ALL of the events you see in the movie "Close Encounters of the Third Kind" atually took place...

quite entertaining...like watching a flie with its wings cut off....i know..sick...but you know I am right...

TAM

[Dog Town]

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Close Encounters of the Third Kind" atually took place...

Steven is a Joooooo!!