The TruthSeeker1234 $1000.00 Challenge

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Are you simply too lazy to read the NIST report?
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No, actually I slogged through most of it earlier this year. 10,000 pages, and yet they stop, just when they're getting to the good part. So frustrating. Know what I mean? 10,000 pages, and no collapse theory. Just collapse initiation. All of the interesting observations occur AFTER they truncate their timeline. This will be one area where I destroy the chosen official theorist.

I'm waiting to hear back from Triterope, who is away from his computer for a few days. If he continues to show interest in the debate book, I'll hire him. I asked a few questions about the overall tone of the book, how he sees it.

Otherwise I'll keep waiting here.

I think the finsihed work should be around 100 pages, which means the chosen affirmative debator should plan on writing around 50.
 
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No, actually I slogged through most of it earlier this year. 10,000 pages, and yet they stop, just when they're getting to the good part. So frustrating. Know what I mean? 10,000 pages, and no collapse theory. Just collapse initiation. All of the interesting observations occur AFTER they truncate their timeline. This will be one area where I destroy the chosen official theorist.

I'm waiting to hear back from Triterope, who is away from his computer for a few days. If he continues to show interest in the debate book, I'll hire him. I asked a few questions about the overall tone of the book, how he sees it.

Otherwise I'll keep waiting here.

I think the finsihed work should be around 100 pages, which means the chosen affirmative debator should plan on writing around 50.
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You are a liar and a fraud, and you are not fooling anyone here. It is blatantly obvious that you have no education, knowledge, or expertise in any relevant scientific field, and it is blatantly apparent that your posts here are intended only to impress your gullible and naive pals from other forums such as LC and DU where woo is honed to a fine art and where facts, evidence, and science are eschewed in favour of nutbar woowoo conspiracy theories that are not backed up by facts, evidence, or science.

You have shown your true colours and you have demonstrated repeatedly that you are incapable of legitimate debate.

You'll be better off trying to sell your snake oil BS to them (the delusional, the naive, and the gullible) because nobody here (and nobody elsewhere who is capable of utilizing even a modicum of critical thinking skills) will buy your nonsense.
 
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No, actually I slogged through most of it earlier this year. 10,000 pages, and yet they stop, just when they're getting to the good part. So frustrating. Know what I mean? 10,000 pages, and no collapse theory. Just collapse initiation. All of the interesting observations occur AFTER they truncate their timeline. This will be one area where I destroy the chosen official theorist.
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Ever get around to reviewing my critique of the Ross / Greening exchange, which addresses this very point?

You know, like you promised to do here, weeks ago, in your seventh post?

Get On With It!TM
 
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No, actually I slogged through most of it earlier this year. 10,000 pages, and yet they stop, just when they're getting to the good part. So frustrating. Know what I mean?
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No, I don't, and the fact that you describe the collapse of the towers as the "good part" is another reason that I'm fighting against the hideous, deliberate ignorance of people like you.
 
Y'know, I usually ignore these threads, until I see that Gravy's posted.

Hats' off, Gravy, keep up the good work.
 
Holy S***, TS, you surely didn't write "just when they're getting to the good part"? Yet you did. It's right there!

I'd like to give you the benefit of the doubt on this, and I assume you meant something different, but naaaaah! I can't. You're not a complete feeble minded idiot, just an ignorant wretch and waste or otherwise perfectly good protoplasm. You know what you're saying and you're crossing into Roxdog/Killtown territory, here.
 
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Otherwise I'll keep waiting here.
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While you're waiting, why don't you answer?
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You are claiming the biggest crime in U.S. history is being covered up, in part by the U.S. government and your response is posting anonymously on Internet forums.

1. Why don't you make your challenge directly to NIST and FEMA instead of posting anonymous challenges on an Internet forum.
2. Why aren't you enlisting lawyers to sue?
3. Why aren't you pursuing civil and criminal options?
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While you're waiting, why don't you answer?
You are claiming the biggest crime in U.S. history is being covered up, in part by the U.S. government and your response is posting anonymously on Internet forums.

1. Why don't you make your challenge directly to NIST and FEMA instead of posting anonymous challenges on an Internet forum.
2. Why aren't you enlisting lawyers to sue?
3. Why aren't you pursuing civil and criminal options?
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And number 4:

How is it you are still alive?
The conspirators you claim perpetrated the attacks on September 11, 2001 didn't balk at killing 3000 Americans. You and your fellow "truth seekers" have "proven" how efficient these cold blooded killers are, so they'd have no trouble at all rounding up a few punks and arranging some "accidents."

That hasn't happened yet. Is it a trick, or are there no conspirators?
 
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And number 4:

How is it you are still alive?
The conspirators you claim perpetrated the attacks on September 11, 2001 didn't balk at killing 3000 Americans. You and your fellow "truth seekers" have "proven" how efficient these cold blooded killers are, so they'd have no trouble at all rounding up a few punks and arranging some "accidents."

That hasn't happened yet. Is it a trick, or are there no conspirators?
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Obvious, MortFurd, the Fema Death Camps first have to reach full processing capacity.
 
"Getting to the good part" refers to getting to the most interesting part. The collapses of the twin towers were horrible. Horribly interesting. Unprecedented. The airline crashes and fires, though interesting, and horrible, were not unprecedented, and not hard to understand.

The scientific challenge is NOT to understand what happens when a plane crashes, is NOT to understand building fires. These things are important, and interesting, but are not particularly mysterious in the case of WTC.

No. The scientific challenge is to figure out what caused these buildings to collapse suddenly, totally, straight down, shredding the steel into small pieces, pulverizing everything else into dense dust, systematically expelling everything sideways with great force, exhibiting tightly focused high-energy plumes far below the collapse front, all taking place in little more than free-fall time, producing great pyroclastic flows of rapidly expanding dust which contained 2,3 diphenylpropane in amounts that "dwarfed all others", leaving behind a mushroom cloud and a smoldering crater of debris, at the center of which were pools of molten iron with entrained sulfur and barium.

All of THAT took place after the NIST truncated its timeline. And that is what I mean when I say they stopped just when they were getting to the "good" part. "Good" as in "good scientific challenge". A scientific challenge which was steadfastly avoided by the government invstigations, and by JREF members as well.
 
So, does this mean you're going to hold your stupid debate any time soon? Sounds like you should save this material for that, doesn't it?

Or are you still trying to scrounge up $1000?
 
You are claiming the biggest crime in U.S. history is being covered up, in part by the U.S. government and your response is posting anonymously on Internet forums.

1. Why don't you make your challenge directly to NIST and FEMA instead of posting anonymous challenges on an Internet forum.
2. Why aren't you enlisting lawyers to sue?
3. Why aren't you pursuing civil and criminal options?
4. Why aren't you working with the insurance companies to expose the fraud perpetrated by the "inside job"
5. Why are people like you, exposing the criminal activity of those who had no qualms about killing 3k innocent people, still alive?
 
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The airline crashes and fires, though interesting, and horrible, were not unprecedented, and not hard to understand.
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Oh? Please name three other skyscrapers that sustained similar structural damage and had similar raging, unfought fires. Do so or retract your claim.

shredding the steel into small pieces,
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AGAIN? Prove it or retract it. You've been asked many times. Do it now.

pulverizing everything else into dense dust
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AGAIN? Prove it or retract it. You've been asked many times. Do it now.

systematically expelling everything sideways with great force,
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AGAIN? Prove it or retract it. You've been asked many times. Do it now.
exhibiting tightly focused high-energy plumes far below the collapse front,
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Once again, that's what air does. You've demonstrated many times that you don't understand this concept. Why do you not understand? Please explain.

all taking place in little more than free-fall time,
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No, none of what you just claimed happened at any time.
producing great pyroclastic flows of rapidly expanding dust
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AGAIN? I've asked you several times to tell everyone here what a pyroclastic flow is and how explosives in the WTC could produce one. You haven't answered once. Prove it now or retract the claim.
which contained 2,3 diphenylpropane in amounts that "dwarfed all others"
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That's 1,3 diphenylpropane, and Jones's fraudulent claim about it was exposed here: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1780261&postcount=2509
leaving behind a mushroom cloud and a smoldering crater of debris,
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What should the collapses have "left behind," "Truth"Seeker1234? Please fill us in.
at the center of which were pools of molten iron
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AGAIN? Prove it or retract it. You've been asked many times. Do it now.
with entrained sulfur and barium.
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In normal quantities, which has been demonstrated several times. You say different? Prove it now.

All of THAT took place after the NIST truncated its timeline.
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No, that took place in 2001.

And that is what I mean when I say they stopped just when they were getting to the "good" part. "Good" as in "good scientific challenge". A scientific challenge which was steadfastly avoided by the government invstigations, and by JREF members as well.
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That's a lie. Why do you lie, "Truth"Seeker1234?

These are your "scientific" arguments? This is the dreck you want to write a book about? How about first addressing the answers given to you and the questions posed to you on this forum?
 
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No. The scientific challenge is to figure out what caused these buildings to collapse suddenly, totally, straight down, shredding the steel into small pieces, pulverizing everything else into dense dust, systematically expelling everything sideways with great force, exhibiting tightly focused high-energy plumes far below the collapse front, all taking place in little more than free-fall time, producing great pyroclastic flows of rapidly expanding dust which contained 2,3 diphenylpropane in amounts that "dwarfed all others", leaving behind a mushroom cloud and a smoldering crater of debris, at the center of which were pools of molten iron with entrained sulfur and barium. [/SIZE]
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All those issues you have brought up have been addressed. the only new thing I see here is about the 2,3 diphenyl propane. Dyphenal propane is used in styrenes and polystyrenes which are commony used in buildning materials everything form plastics items to insulations and soforth. Now let me see, where would plastic building materials be used? Oh yes, in a building.
 
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I've kept quiet for a week, but face it Gravy: the guy is full of it.
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Oy! I face it every time he posts. I'm trying to get him to face it. Look at all the questions he can answer from just a few posts on this page, to prove that he isn't a nasty troll. Will he answer them? I've got $1000 that says....
 
The scientific challenge is to figure out what caused these buildings to collapse suddenly, totally, straight down, shredding the steel into small pieces, pulverizing everything else into dense dust, systematically expelling everything sideways with great force, exhibiting tightly focused high-energy plumes far below the collapse front, all taking place in little more than free-fall time, producing great pyroclastic flows of rapidly expanding dust which contained 2,3 diphenylpropane in amounts that "dwarfed all others", leaving behind a mushroom cloud and a smoldering crater of debris, at the center of which were pools of molten iron with entrained sulfur and barium.
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You're almost as good as Christopera at making things up on the fly, good job!Its too bad that after a minimal amount of research, pretty much every word of what you proclaim turns out to be utter BS.
 
1. Why don't you make your challenge directly to NIST and FEMA instead of posting anonymous challenges on an Internet forum.
2. Why aren't you enlisting lawyers to sue?
3. Why aren't you pursuing civil and criminal options?
4. Why aren't you working with the insurance companies to expose the fraud perpetrated by the "inside job"
5. Why are people like you, exposing the criminal activity of those who had no qualms about killing 3k innocent people, still alive?
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1. NIST civil engineers, et al have been asked and declined to debate.
2. such a lawsuit could easily cost a hunderd million dollars to prosecute,and worse, the court system is part of the very institution, i.e. "the government" which is under dispute.
3. ditto to 2.
4. On paper, insurance companies are private. However, de facto they too are government agencies.
5. The soviets tried killing all dissidents, and it didn't play out very well for them. Same with the Chinese. The U.S. has developed a different strategy of disinformation and discrediting. Make the crime very big, very complex, and make sure that many variations on the story all get out there. Then people won't know what to think. They'll just go back to making widgets and paying taxes, something that the soviet people were not good at. People like Dr Jones can be handled by killing their careers, while allowing them to live. Killing the likes of Dylan Avery would serve only to make him a martyr, and publicize his film.
 
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Originally Posted by Kent1
I thought I would post one of Jones newer papers here

http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/M...un24_Jones.pdf
Yeah, I've perused that rambling wreck of a presentation. Like the Loosers, the more Jones speaks out, the less credibility he has. Here's one example. He cites an EPA report by Erik Swartz as evidence of the presence of thermite:
Jones:
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Large amounts of 1,3 diphenylpropane strongly suggests the high-tech thermite arson used on the WTC buildings...
What's the real story?
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One molecule, described by the EPA's Erik Swartz, was present at levels "that dwarfed all others": 1,3-diphenylpropane. "We've never observed it in any sampling we've ever done," Swartz said. He said it was most likely produced by the plastic of tens of thousands of burning computers.

http://timesunion.com/AspStories/sto...date=7/15/2006
What a hideous fraud Jones is.
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1,3 diphenylpropane, not 2,3. If it is so innocent, then why has this molecule been scrubbed from this report?

http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2005/1165/508OF05-1165.html#heading08

Did I miss something? Just curious.
 
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