What to do is Loose Change is released to theatres

ghost707 said:
No, what he is trying to say is that the "documentary" is such a an embarrasment to logical thinking that no one will touch it - studios already know there is no profit in it.

Also pdoherty, you might want to use the actual English language in it's complete and correct form while trying to convince people of your point of view.
Using "u" in short for "you" and "i" for "I" leads people to believe you are a teenager in a chat room.
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right if you would care to check the first post i ever posted here u will see that i told people not to bother comment on my grammar because it wont change. I am not a teenager, i am a lazy bastard who currently has a broken arm and is typing with one hand, so i use all the shortcuts i can to speed things up

Could you please tell me how using "u" instead of "you" changes the content of my arguments? answer: it doesnt.

So heres a new protocol, everyone who mentions my grammar etc will be put on ignore, starting with u.

the studios dont give a toss about logic, JFK was full of holes and they put that out. u people are so naive. STUDIOS ARE BUSINESSES AND BUSINESSES EXIST TO MAKE PROFITS

gawd in ur world governments are nice peace loving hippies and businesses are kind charities.

grow up
 
pdoherty76 said:
studios are out to make money, they dont give a toss what its about if it will make a profit. Non accurate conspiracy films have been released before such as JFK.

Also, they cant make their own version of it because then they couldnt call it loose change and the loose change "brand" is now vary famous.

If i owned a film studio I would give them 10 million quid up front because you can guarantee this film would sell out on word of mouth
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After snakes on a plane the value of word of mouth has been reapraised.
 
pdoherty76 said:
the studios dont give a toss about logic, JFK was full of holes and they put that out. u people are so naive. STUDIOS ARE BUSINESSES AND BUSINESSES EXIST TO MAKE PROFITS
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Yes JFK was full of holes (no pun intended), but it was an acknowledged work of fiction! Loose Change purports to be a documentary. I accept that since Moore got into the popular documentary game it ahs become more acceptable to play fast and loose with the facts in "non fiction" films, but LTW take it to extremes (claiming they are engaged in one giant game of "spot the deliberate mistake" for example). They also accuse people of murder without any proof what so ever, people who are still alive and who could tie a studio up in lengthy legal action, which would put a major dent in the studios profits, even if they won in the end. Also, a film such as loose change is likely to garner a lot of negative publicity for the studio which released it.
 
Popeholden said:
loose change can be very persuasive if you don't check their facts. i am sure they will use the same tricks in the final edition, and from their website avery & co want to release it to theatres.

i can't think of anything worse than throngs of people walking out of the theatre believing their lies.
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I can't think of (well not really) anything dumber than a theater willing to take the loss this film would give them. There aren't enough of those incompetants out there to make money for it in a theater.
 
pdoherty76 said:
So heres a new protocol, everyone who mentions my grammar etc will be put on ignore, starting with u.
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Ooh! Ooh! Me too! Me too! Ignore me!

*Ahem*

Your grammer, sir, is attrocious, your arguments infantile and your writing style is worse than that of my four-year old daughter.

That is all I have to say. I just wanted to jump in and get put on ignore before everyone is doing it.
 
pdoherty76 said:
i think they will make the final cut absolutely watertight because they know people are obsessively fact checking everything in their films. So in a funny way the debunkers are helping them and forcing them to produce better films
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Then there will be nothing left.
 
pdoherty76 said:
i think they will make the final cut absolutely watertight because they know people are obsessively fact checking everything in their films. So in a funny way the debunkers are helping them and forcing them to produce better films
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Wow. So you just now picked up on the fact that the reason you fact-check someone's work is to make sure they correct their mistakes?

And you think that's a "funny way" to get more facts and less fantasy into LC?

You think that if LC changes or removes content from the film because it's been discovered to be false, that we will be unhappy? That we will consider our time wasted?

We certainly realize that there is no way LC can correct its every mistake and still exist. As has been said, take out the errors and there would be nothing left.

But you have missed the point of what debunkers do by so many miles, you're on another planet by now.
 
Dyaln and crew: liars and USA-haters

pdoherty76 said:
if they truly dont know what is false then it isnt a lie
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Do you acknowledge they knowingly left false material in Loose Change? If you do acknowledge this, why on earth did they knowingly use false material?

StoneWT said:
...it would make no sense to put false material in a film when someone would be just as likely to investigate valid statements. Valid statements would have the benefit of not turning away a truth seeker. If they knowingly put false info in their film, why do you trust them and have any faith that their next version will [be] 100% correct?
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If you do not acknowledge this, do you believe that Dylan and company are liars as they have repeatedly stated that they left false material in their film?


Also, please stop faking your credentials. Your input, as long as it is consistent with forum rules, will be accepted regardless of you being a kid. You are doing a rather poor job of masquerading.
 
pdoherty76 said:
i think they will make the final cut absolutely watertight because they know people are obsessively fact checking everything in their films. So in a funny way the debunkers are helping them and forcing them to produce better films
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how cna it be watertight? If it were watertight, it'd be a 30 second film with a statement of "We are sorry for trampling upon the victims of 9/11 with our previous versions, of a factually wrong film. For that, we will donate ALL of our earnings and put int $100,000 of our own money to the charities of 9/11"
 
The stated aim for Avery and crew to keep purposeful misinformation in their film is that people will do research for themselves.

However, the places where people fresh from their films will go for their research is the conspiracy industry. They will get the books, the DVDs, donate to the forums, etc. LC is a gateway film not for truthseekers, but for a fresh batch of suckers ready to be fleeced.

It's that reason that the Twoofers should be excoriated in public and their films properly villified. They have all the integrity of Amway salespeople. They are not retards - they are con artists, one and all.
 
so why would people deliberately discredit their own film by leaving false stuff in?

i honestly think theyare doing it to wind u lot up
 
pdoherty76 said:
so why would people deliberately discredit their own film by leaving false stuff in?

i honestly think theyare doing it to wind u lot up
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They "deliberately" leave false stuff in because the what that they use their critical faculties makes them very poor at differentiating fact from fiction, furthermore they are engaged in a conclusion driven project, they are highly critical, and examine very closely (and then ignore) any evidence which in contrary to their conclusion, an they actually pay little critical attention to the evidence which supports their conclusion. They certainly don't go looking for holes in it. However claiming that their mistakes are deliberate gives them a very convenient "out" when they are faced with someone pointing their error out to them. Rather than admit that they may be mistaken about the whole thing, they try to claim that they are lying for truth!
 
I think it would be interesting to see how Loosechange2 would fare if released in cinemas outside of the US.

I know the UK has different (more stringent) libel laws than the US, but I don't know the specifics of how these might be applied to a lying film made by a bunch of liars if it was shown as a 'documentary' in a UK cinema and someone such as.....(ooooooooooh let's say Mr Silverstien) decided to sue them.
 
If Loose Change ever got a wide distribution in cinemas, it would be a personal disaster for Dylan Averay, and I think he knows it. Right now the only reason he isn't spending all his time in court defending himself against dozens of libel suits is because of his relative anonymity, and the fact that the vast majority of people think the twoof movement is too stupid and ridiculous to bother with. If LC ever got wide play and started making money, lawyers would be all over Avery like white on rice.

He knows he's much better off pandering to his small cadre of delusional little boys -- there aren't a lot of them, but they're dumb enough to fall for his crap and are willing to spend whatever money they manage to "borrow" from mommy's purse to buy it.

That's why South Park was such a catastrophe for Dylan. It wasn't because it humiliated the twoof movement, which I suspect he doesn't give a rat's ass about. It was because it was aimed squarely at the demographic he hoped to shill his junk to, and now they know only retards go for his message -- most uncool.
 
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