Star Wars Beam Weapon and the WTC Bathtub

Seriously. If you can't articulate why any of our explanations aren't satisfactory, what exactly do you expect us to do about it? Put up or shut up time.

I'll articulate what is wrong with your explanations.

The dust which is bellowing from the falling steel cannot be drywall dust, because there is far too much of it, it lasts for far too long, and because it is coming directly out of the steel, and because it expands afterwards.

How the presence of strutural beams would cause round holes in buildings has not been explained, and I fail to see the point. Also, we have round holes in the debris and dust, holes of the same diameter. It looks plainly as though round holes have been drilled, and these have not been explained.

No one has explained melting car doors, exploding cars, etc, except to deny them, or say "the fire did it". If flaming rubble came down upon cars, how would that melt them? Fire doesn't melt steel. Whatever happened, it must have happened quickly, or else the paper would have caught fire.

The explanation for the disappearing buildings is that rubble hit them and they went splat. I don't accept this, because there is nothing left of these buildings. Look at WTC4. The north wing of the building is sliced clean off, and nothing remains of the rest. If falling parts of WTC1 or 2 did it, where are those parts? They can't mutually anihiliate, can they?

WTC3 was mostly intact after WTC2. Then it went away. If WTC1 parts hit it, where are they, and how much of WTC1 did that take (the official story says that these towers stayed within their footprints)? Explain, don't post kittens.

What about the core of WTC? 700 feet of it stands on its own for seconds, then falls apart, leaving not a trace. The arial shots show no trace of WTC2 core. What happened to it, and why? Even if it was unstable without lateral support, it wouldn't disintegrate, would it? No. It would either fall over, or it would buckle and fall down, not break apart into 30 foot sections. If you say it should break apart into 30 foot sections, please explain why, I don't get it.
 
The Wood/Reynolds data set is evidence. If there are mundane explanations for them, bring them on.

Wrong again. There is no data set, there is no evidence. There is no beam weapon on 9/11. I will bet your life on it.

See you are still alive.

There is no one dumb enough to believe Wood/Reynolds. Or am I wrong again? (Fetzer and TruthSeeker1234 failed again, you guys are really dumb to believe in a beam weapon. Too bad you can not calculate energy in the building as potential energy is height times mass time gravity. I have given you the secret of destruction, use it well.)
 
TJW noticed
Somewhere on the web, there's a video taken by someone blocks away from the WTC, being overtaken by the dust cloud. In seconds, the lens is so dusty that the remainder of the video is mostly useful as soundtrack, because the images are just gray blobs.
That's blocks away, after the dust has spread to hundreds of times the volume of the towers.

Excellent observation. What explains the expansion of the dust cloud? Any dust will gradually mix with air, of course. But that is not what we observe on 9/11. We see very dense dust which is clearly a seperate phase, a liquid which expands outwards and upwards and forms characteristic cauliflower shapes. Why do you suppose this looks so much like a volcano?

The answer is that there is tremendous heat energy present. Somehow, the air inside of the towers became pressurized far in excess of one atmosphere. How? Falling floors could pressurize air below, but only by de-pressurizing air above. The net result would be one atmosphere of pressure. Where does the pressure come from?
 
The dust which is bellowing from the falling steel cannot be drywall dust, because there is far too much of it, it lasts for far too long, and because it is coming directly out of the steel, and because it expands afterwards.

What about the core of WTC? 700 feet of it stands on its own for seconds, then falls apart, leaving not a trace. The arial shots show no trace of WTC2 core. What happened to it, and why? Even if it was unstable without lateral support, it wouldn't disintegrate, would it? No. It would either fall over, or it would buckle and fall down, not break apart into 30 foot sections. If you say it should break apart into 30 foot sections, please explain why, I don't get it.

There are tons of wallboard in the WTC, it was 1.5 inches thick all in the core, and all over each floor there was wallboard like in your house, all over. Remember the 1.5 inch in the core was covering the steel, all the steel, it was two pieces of 3/4 inch wallboard put together to protect the steel from fire for a set amount of time before failure (the plane impact knocked off bunches), lots of wall board, tons, you are wrong again.

The core of the WTC towers were in the pile of junk, sorry you be wrong again.

When parts of the WTC towers hit at over 200 mph they destroyed other buildings, cut them up and smashed them into the basement floors and left piles of ruble 4 to 7 stories deep.

You failed to listen, you failed to understand, you failed to research, you have failed to use your head, you have failed.
 
Why do you suppose this looks so much like a volcano?

The answer is that there is tremendous heat energy present.

No, there isnt. This has all been explained to you a thousand times before. You're like Drew Barrymores character from 50 First Dates; its as if your brain formats itself everyday just prior to your visits here. Your anterial-grade memory loss aside, I defy you to find a single person, who was at the scene who described a "tremendous heat energy", or find a people who were burned by the 500 C dust cloud. Are you up to it?
 
TJW noticed

Excellent observation. What explains the expansion of the dust cloud? Any dust will gradually mix with air, of course. But that is not what we observe on 9/11. We see very dense dust which is clearly a seperate phase, a liquid which expands outwards and upwards and forms characteristic cauliflower shapes. Why do you suppose this looks so much like a volcano?

The answer is that there is tremendous heat energy present. Somehow, the air inside of the towers became pressurized far in excess of one atmosphere. How? Falling floors could pressurize air below, but only by de-pressurizing air above. The net result would be one atmosphere of pressure. Where does the pressure come from?

The whole building fell. The whole building got noticeably shorter.
A floor falling down will reduce the volume of the space beneath it. It doesn't matter at all what happens behind it. Reducing the volume increases the pressure of the air in that volume. The volume being pressurized is the rest of the failing building -- all of the space between the floors that haven't failed yet. This is not the result of a low pressure behind the falling floor. What's behind the falling floor is... another falling floor sitting very close to it, and so on all the way to what was formerly the roof. Behind what was formerly the roof would be a large shedding vortex. And that would... mix the dust with ambient air.
With an increase in pressure, a flow will begin between the higher pressure inside and the ambient, lower pressure outside. If there's dust in the air, the air flow will take any suspended dust along with it. If the air/dust mixture impinges on something, some of the dust will stick.

So this very dense dust, so dense, you now say, it's practically a liquid, would be able to put a lot of dust on columns that it was being blown through, would it not?

Would you care to calculate, using the ideal gas law, just how much of a temperature change would be required to reach whatever pressure you've fantasized would be required to explain the dust expansion? Using the heat capacity of air, you can then calculate the energy required for doing such a thing. After you do that, you can use the ideal gas law to see how much the air would have to have expanded in order to cool the air to a temperature that didn't fry the lungs of any of the hundreds of people documented on video as having been in the cloud of dust. (This frying of the lungs has actually happened to people who were studying volcanos and were caught in a pyroclastic cloud). If you're claiming there shouldn't be any mixing, then expansion is the only way to cool down the heated air.

As for me, I've seen a downburst from a thunderstorm that put dust on the ground a thousand feet in the air across a line twenty miles long in just a minute or two.
I can't help it if you don't get around much.
 
Falling floors could pressurize air below, but only by de-pressurizing air above. The net result would be one atmosphere of pressure. Where does the pressure come from?
if that were the case a hand pump like this could never pressurize beyond 1atm

pumphand.jpg


but it can, so your conclusions are incorrect
 
I read the problems with deploying beam weapons. Points well taken. Same with rigging skyscrapers with explosives.

Whatever happened, there must be scientific explanations.

Yes. Two 767s flew into steel buildings and they collapsed. Then end.

What about the round holes?

Round-ish.

The unburned paper next to the exploding cars?

Explained to you already. More than once.

WTC3, where did it go?

Down.

Please describe the mechanism by which WTC6 ended up so hollowed out.

A skyscraper fell onto it.

And where is all the missing mass?

Begging the question. There was no missing mass. The only point you have to missing mass is that you "don't trust" the 1.5 million ton figure.

It was standing after the colllapse, 700 feet of it, then, it disappeared. Where did it go?

Down. Gosh.

Not that those couldn't be fudged, but, do they even exist?

Err... who cares ? Would you test EVERY piece of steel ?

Is "drywall dust" really your best explanation for the dense white and brown dust which is churning out of steel members continually as pieces fall?

It isn't "churning out", it's falling with them. Exactly what do you think could be brown like this ?

I certainly don't buy that one.

Yes, that is readily apparent.

This looks as though the ends of the steel columns are belching smoke.

Key word: looks.
 
Thus far all we've gotten is:

The dust streaming from the disintegrating steel is trapped drywall dust.

A reasonable assumption.

WTC3,most of 4, and the inside of 6 disappeared because rubble hit it.

Nice strawman. They didn't dissapear at all.

Paper failed to catch fire next to melting vehicles because I'm a conspiracy theorist, or something.

You DO know that paper doesn't spontaneously combust just because there's a fire nearby, right ? I mean, you've never seen a half-burned piece of paper ?
 
The dust which is bellowing from the falling steel cannot be drywall dust, because there is far too much of it, it lasts for far too long, and because it is coming directly out of the steel, and because it expands afterwards.

"Coming out of the steel". You might think the drywall was attached to it, right ?

How the presence of strutural beams would cause round holes in buildings has not been explained, and I fail to see the point.

That one's easy, my poor man. The structure will tend to break BETWEEN the structural elements. Since they are mostly arranged in squares, you'd expect random holes in the buildings to be somewhat roundish.

Also, we have round holes in the debris and dust, holes of the same diameter. It looks plainly as though round holes have been drilled, and these have not been explained.

Well, debris will fall in the holes, but might not fill them. I still fail to see how that's relevant.

No one has explained melting car doors, exploding cars, etc, except to deny them, or say "the fire did it".

Fire does tend to heat things up, didn't you know ?

If flaming rubble came down upon cars, how would that melt them? Fire doesn't melt steel.

At any temperature ?

And cars aren't made of structural steel, either.

Whatever happened, it must have happened quickly, or else the paper would have caught fire.

You've never actually SEEN a fire, have you ?

The explanation for the disappearing buildings is that rubble hit them and they went splat. I don't accept this, because there is nothing left of these buildings.

You must have christophera's x-ray vision, because I couldn't, for the life of me, tell one piece of WTC3 apart from a piece of WTC2.

Look at WTC4. The north wing of the building is sliced clean off, and nothing remains of the rest. If falling parts of WTC1 or 2 did it, where are those parts? They can't mutually anihiliate, can they?

No, they can't, which is why NO theory can account for them dissapearing, which is why they can't have dissapeared. And they haven't.

What about the core of WTC? 700 feet of it stands on its own for seconds, then falls apart, leaving not a trace. The arial shots show no trace of WTC2 core. What happened to it, and why? Even if it was unstable without lateral support, it wouldn't disintegrate, would it? No. It would either fall over, or it would buckle and fall down,

It did. Case closed.

not break apart into 30 foot sections. If you say it should break apart into 30 foot sections, please explain why, I don't get it.

Okay. It was BUILD from 30 foot sections, bolted together. When things fall, they tend to break at the assembly point, no ?
 
No, there isnt. This has all been explained to you a thousand times before. You're like Drew Barrymores character from 50 First Dates; its as if your brain formats itself everyday just prior to your visits here. Your anterial-grade memory loss aside, I defy you to find a single person, who was at the scene who described a "tremendous heat energy", or find a people who were burned by the 500 C dust cloud. Are you up to it?
I predict another brain format when he who seeks the truth cometh again.
 
Nigel from Spinal Tap and TS1234 are both buffoonish stereotypes of stupid musicians, only Nigel is a fictional character and our buddy Ace here is apparently a real person, albeit w/ a cartoonish understanding af basic reality.
 
Nigel from Spinal Tap and TS1234 are both buffoonish stereotypes of stupid musicians, only Nigel is a fictional character and our buddy Ace here is apparently a real person, albeit w/ a cartoonish understanding af basic reality.

 
if that were the case a hand pump like this could never pressurize beyond 1atm

http://www.inflatabletrampolines.com/productimages/pumphand.jpg

but it can, so your conclusions are incorrect


No silly. With a hand pump, you add extra energy into the system by using your muscles. If you allow the pump handle to fall down with no extra push, that is the beginning of a proper analogy.

Then imagine that there is not one, but 110 pistons lined up in there. Then imagine that as the piston falls, it pulverizes the next piston below it, and opens the top of the cylinder, and spews the pulverized piston sideways in all directions. This repeats all the way down, purely from the force of gravity.

When its over, the air formerly inside the pump is "a hunderd times its original volume", and the pump has been reduced to powder and tiny scraps of metal.
 
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No silly. With a hand pump, you add extra energy into the system by using your muscles. If you allow the pump handle to fall down with no extra push, that is the beginning of a proper analogy.
What if the pump handle itself weighs one billion pounds?
 
What if the pump handle itself weighs one billion pounds?

And is lifted into place with a crane, while supports are put in place, and then the supports are knocked away.

Ace, on your amp why don't you just make 10 louder and then go up to 10?
 
No silly. With a hand pump, you add extra energy into the system by using your muscles. If you allow the pump handle to fall down with no extra push, that is the beginning of a proper analogy.

Then imagine that there is not one, but 110 pistons lined up in there. Then imagine that as the piston falls, it pulverizes the next piston below it, and opens the top of the cylinder, and spews the pulverized piston sideways in all directions. This repeats all the way down, purely from the force of gravity.

When its over, the air formerly inside the pump is "a hunderd times its original volume", and the pump has been reduced to powder and tiny scraps of metal.
but given enough time gravity will impart as much, and even more energy than you muscles

since when is gravity's energy limited by air pressure anyway?
 
OMG! Unburned paper next to fire!
[qimg]http://plod.popoever.com/upfiles/img/050901/google_book_burning.jpg[/qimg]

OMG! Melted car!
[qimg]http://www.vg.no/bilder/bildarkiv/1067348808.jpg[/qimg]


It was cold and stormy last night, so I started a fire in my fireplace. This morning I looked and found little bits of unburned paper in the corner of the fireplace. This proves that star wars weapons were used in my fireplace! I am changing the locks as we speak. I bet it was the Zionist couple upstairs...
 

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