[Moderated] So What Would You Think If This Were True?

Just back from Ground Zero with my brain still numb from the dubardment there, and I made the mistake of checking this thread. I'm at a loss for words, so I'll use those of the ever-sensible regnad kcin:

Dear Skeptic4Sure,

You are 100% wrong.

Best regards,
Bing

Aww, Gwavy. Come on. You're the super duper debunker. You can do better than that.

Maybe one day, you and I can meet at ground zero, and you can do your Deniro impression for me.

I can't wait til this stuff hits you guys square in the face.
 
You are the antithesis of all this. You're no better than al Qaida, you lie, you cheat, you desecrate the memories of the victims, you help the enemies of freedom. You pollute the truth.
I'd just like to step in and say that I think that's going way too far. It's like comparing Bush to Hitler. No matter how strongly we feel about 9/11 CTs, there are orders of magnitude of difference between their stupid claims and actually killing thousands of of people with terrorist attacks. I do think they give indirect moral support to Islamist terrorists who say they want to kill us, but that's as far as I'm willing to go.
 
Oh my is right. Your reading comprehension is astounding. Where did you read the poles were brought down using explosives?

Mine is just fine, thanks. Where did I say anything about explosives?
My comment regarding controlled demolition is as a result of this reasoning:

There exist photographs of the light poles on the ground, and IIRC, across a taxi.

Witnesses agree the light poles were standing before Flight 77 flew over.
The witnesses also say the light poles were on the ground immediately after flight 77 flew over, thus demolishing their usefulness as light supports.

So clearly they were demolished, either in an uncontrolled manner by something physically connected with the overflight of flight 77, or in a controlled manner to hide something suspicious regarding the flight path of flight 77.

Some witnesses say they saw Flight 77 hit the light poles. You dismiss these statements for reasons of your own. If we accept your facts, that rules out the uncontrolled demolition theory.

That leaves the controlled demolition hypothesis, unless you have a third hypothesis that will explain the coincidence of their falling just as Flight 77 flew over.

Notice I'm not saying that they were exploded. It is not my personal conviction that anything other than Flight 77 brought them down. But their position after the overflight of flight 77 is a physical fact which needs to be accounted for.
 
I agree with Cylinder, whose post went - not surprisingly - ignored by 'skeptic4sure'.

Cylinder said:
The straight answer is that one should evaluate the witness testimony against the physical evidence, evaluate it against other witness testimony and check it for internal consistency. If you have two persons or groups of persons giving mutually exclusive testimony, all you can deduce from that fact is that one - or both - version of events is wrong.

Edit to add: I also agree with those who pointed out what a drama queen s4s is, and those who have pointed out that despite his highschoolboyish behaviour, he has yet to produce a single shred of his alleged breathtaking, sooper duper, show-stopping, world-altering, "evidence" that blows the conspiracy wide open.

How boring.
 
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Aww, Gwavy. Come on. You're the super duper debunker. You can do better than that.

Maybe one day, you and I can meet at ground zero, and you can do your Deniro impression for me.

I can't wait til this stuff hits you guys square in the face.
Oh, we've been hit square in the face by stupid on a daily basis. Don't worry about that. As for meeting, how's tomorrow for you?
 
Aww, Gwavy. Come on. You're the super duper debunker. You can do better than that.

Maybe one day, you and I can meet at ground zero, and you can do your Deniro impression for me.

I can't wait til this stuff hits you guys square in the face.

It was NO inside job. It´s just as simple as that. And yes,
i was also confused after seeing losers change.
 
Aww, Gwavy. Come on. You're the super duper debunker. You can do better than that.

Maybe one day, you and I can meet at ground zero, and you can do your Deniro impression for me.

I can't wait til this stuff hits you guys square in the face.

You seem to be really into the idea of getting one over on a bunch of skeptics on an internet forum, is that really what's important here?

This whole thread is you playing games.

I don't get how that helps get anyone closer to the truth.

Personally, if any alternative hypothesis is shown to be true then I will be glad that the ongoing processes of critical thinking and investigation managed to correct errors and get closer to the truth. It will also be a tribute to freedom, reason and pluralism in modern liberal democracies that the truth was established in this way. The fact that I once believed something else will be of little concern to me - I will happily admit that I was wrong.

However, on the current evidence I see little chance of an alternative hypothesis being proven. Additional witness testimony will not, of itself, explain everything that occurred at The Pentagon on 9/11.
 
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That leaves the controlled demolition hypothesis, unless you have a third hypothesis that will explain the coincidence of their falling just as Flight 77 flew over.
I think you're forgetting about the 35 mph slalomissile that the military has developed for interventions in case of extreme US medal deficits in the winter Olympics. See red line below.

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One thing is for sure, this will reinvigorate the movement one way or the other.

... and you'll be a Real Movement Hero, and you'll be on radio and TV alla time, and sell a zillion copies of your book, and women will swoon over you and beg you to let them sunbathe naked on the deck of your yacht, and...
 
... and you'll be a Real Movement Hero, and you'll be on radio and TV alla time, and sell a zillion copies of your book, and women will swoon over you and beg you to let them sunbathe naked on the deck of your yacht, and...
Careful, Roger, you're on the verge of being the Fabio – or at least the Robin Leach – to those JAQing off to 9/11.
 
Maybe one day, you and I can meet at ground zero, and you can do your Deniro impression for me.
In case you missed it: let's meet tomorrow, okay? Sorry, I don't do a DeNiro impression, but I do have information about the terrorist attacks of 9/11 that I'd be glad to share with you.
 
Aww, Gwavy. Come on. You're the super duper debunker. You can do better than that.

Maybe one day, you and I can meet at ground zero, and you can do your Deniro impression for me.

I can't wait til this stuff hits you guys square in the face.

Yup, and you can do your impression of an airline pilot.
 
I think you're forgetting about the 35 mph slalomissile that the military has developed for interventions in case of extreme US medal deficits in the winter Olympics. See red line below.


Ah well in that case, we can't forget about the impervious Lincoln Town Car hoods that were designed to be not only be bullet proof, but light pole resistant:

http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon/images/1-1.jpg

Simultaneously, the plane struck a light pole and the pole came crashing down onto the front of Lloyd’s taxi cab, destroying the windshield in front of his eyes. Glass was everywhere as he tried to stop the car. Another car stopped and the driver helped move the heavy pole off Lloyd’s car. As they were moving the pole, they heard a big boom and turned to see an explosion. The light pole fell on Lloyd and he struggled to get up from underneath, wondering what had happened.


"The plane was so low it hit the light pole," England said. "And when it hit the pole it knocked the light part off and nothing came through the car but the pole itself."


The light pole shaft speared its way through England's cab, pushing the front passenger seat backwards into the rear of the car. If it had fallen a few feet to the right, England said he would have been crushed.

"I had to wrestle with the car to stop it and when I did stop the car there was no noise," England said.

The cab driver specifically said that the LARGE BASE PIECE, you see lying there, was what speared itself through his windshield and came to rest on his hood. He told that to the Pentagon research team that went to VA which included Russell Pickering. There is video floating around with the cab driver stating this and will be in the upcoming LC final cut. You can find it if you look hard enough.



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The cab driver specifically said that the LARGE BASE PIECE, you see lying there, was what speared itself through his windshield and came to rest on his hood. He told that to the Pentagon research team that went to VA which included Russell Pickering. There is video floating around with the cab driver stating this and will be in the upcoming LC final cut. You can find it if you look hard enough.
Sorry, your issue is?

Third time: is meeting tomorrow good for you?
 
Skeptic4Sure

when are you going to learn nobody is impressed by you, why?
Because you will not answer simple questions.

Now again,

what happened to Flight 77?

Is it too hard? Is it not worded in a manner that you can understand; please allow me to reword it.

Flight 77, what happened to it?

Oh I see you cannot figure this one out please allow me again to reword it, and add some more words.

What on earth happened to Flight 77 on 911?

Where did it go?

Answer the question, please. Once again.

what happened to Flight 77?

Answer the question.
 
Skeptic4Sure

when are you going to learn nobody is impressed by you, why?
Because you will not answer simple questions.

Now again,

what happened to Flight 77?

Is it too hard? Is it not worded in a manner that you can understand; please allow me to reword it.

Flight 77, what happened to it?

Oh I see you cannot figure this one out please allow me again to reword it, and add some more words.

What on earth happened to Flight 77 on 911?

Where did it go?

Answer the question, please. Once again.

what happened to Flight 77?

Answer the question.
stateofgrace, what are you saying? Can you please be more clear and stop beating around the bush?
 
I'd just like to step in and say that I think that's going way too far.

I'm sorry but I meant every word. I'm not talking about the fence sitters or the more mild CTists, I'm talking about the Killtowns of this world. Anyone who is willingly distorting the truth, lying, willingly stepping over their own basic moral values and self-respect, and who is deluding themselves to the point of paranoia and true belief is not that far away from the al Qaida phylosophy (or lack there of) in my opinion.
 
In case you missed it: let's meet tomorrow, okay? Sorry, I don't do a DeNiro impression, but I do have information about the terrorist attacks of 9/11 that I'd be glad to share with you.

Oh I didn't miss it. I just don't live in NYC or the east coast.

But trust me, no believe me, when I say, that I am no 20 something yr old kid who simply strings together a bunch of theories, news reports, and research into a movie or thread.

I know my stuff.

I watched you debate Alex Jones at Ground Zero and knew exactly what I would have said to you. Or presented to you.

See while other people were grandstanding for the camera and performing activism, I was doing my homework. I was researching.

Rest assured, when time allows, you and I will be going a few rounds in debate and it won't be limited to the Pentagon.

"I do have information about the terrorist attacks of 9/11 that I'd be glad to share with you."
 

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