Stundie's "people who don't buy the official theory" thread

Regnad Kcin said:
It will be very interesting to see if you retract this once the man corrects you.
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Well, Stundie? I see you've returned to the forum.

And for the third time, what, specifically, is Gravy's "agenda?"
 
stundie said:
The thing is that Gravy lied to about Cheney and Minetas testimony to fit his agenda.
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The man's a tourist guide. To which "agenda" are you referring ?

Whats this....The Gravy Appreciation Club!! lol
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So now WE have an agenda because we're asking for justification ? By the way, you haven't answered Reg's question. Or mine.

The point was the Port Authority lost a 10 year court battle with insurance companies to fund the abatement program. Which would have cost $600 million to do.

He said the Asbestos was safe and I agree, then he went on to say that any time an office was emptied that they would remove the asbestos but my point was that it wouldn't need to be removed if it ws safe.
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Unless tenants tend to ask for it to be removed. "Asbestos" doesn't sit well with most people. I know I'd probably ask for it to be removed before I move in.
 
stundie said:
I'll be specific!

What on earth could be fueling those fires for weeks on end?? Piles of wire/aluminium, office materials are going to burn at tempratures to melt steel? Fires need fuel to burn, yes all the things could have burned, but it would not be hot enough to melt steel.

The only logical explanation is THERMATE! The molten iron found they clean up crew found is a by product of it!
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Thermite/thermate reactions are over in minutes. End of debunking this junk science dropout. You must be docker!
 
stundie said:
This curious C-130, originally bound for Minnesota, is the same C-130 that will be 17 miles from Flight 93 when it later crashes into the Pennsylvania countryside.
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Distance from Shanksville, PA to Washington, DC: 129 miles
Cruising speed of a C130: 374 mph
Time needed for a C130 to fly from Washington, DC to Shanksville, PA at cruising speed: 20.7 minutes
 
The conspiracy liars just continue to implode. One of the few things that they could, maybe, agree on was their belief that 9/11 was a inside job done by the federal government in order to justify an invasion of Afganistan and Iraq.

Now, Stundie is adding that 9/11 was an inside job in order to help the MTA dump the money loosing, asbestos plagued WTC. As I posted before, if the conspiracy liars ever come up with a unifed theory, it will have to encompass every person in the United States.

A hundred years from now human remains from 9/11 victims will still be found in lower Manhattan. Therefore, people not even born yet, the people who will identify those remains, are already part of the conspiracy.
 
Desperation....Yet again

TellyKNeasuss said:
Distance from Shanksville, PA to Washington, DC: 129 miles
Cruising speed of a C130: 374 mph
Time needed for a C130 to fly from Washington, DC to Shanksville, PA at cruising speed: 20.7 minutes
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Shame on you JREFers! In your desperation to debunk me, again I see you are misquoting me yet again!! This is how the thread went!

So all you have to do is to present facts to prove there was no DNA from flight 77 in the pentagon.

You need to prove there was not fuel explosion as seen on the frame of the parking lot license plate car camera.

You have to prove all the witnesses did not see flight 77 hit poles and explode at the pentagon.

You have to prove a C-130 crew did not see flight 77 pass them and crash into the Pentagon.

You have to prove it to us. You have chosen the wrong path, you have chosen the CT no fact line of reasoning. You must be Docker!

Cause you have zero facts, zero numbers, no proof. Who are you?

so when will we see your facts to support you ideas, and I would like to see you disprove NIST or PM too?


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Stundie Posted:

You mean proof like this.

http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/...54/detail.html

A C-130 transport plane that has been sent to follow Flight 77 is trailing only a short distance behind the plane as it crashes. This curious C-130, originally bound for Minnesota, is the same C-130 that will be 17 miles from Flight 93 when it later crashes into the Pennsylvania countryside. [Star-Tribune (Minneapolis), 9/11/2002; Pittsburgh Channel, 9/15/2001] A number of people see this plane fly remarkably close to Flight 77:

Or how about

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...rst-person.htm
USA Today reporter Vin Narayanan, who saw the Pentagon explosion, says, “I hopped out of my car after the jet exploded, nearly oblivious to a second jet hovering in the skies.” [USA Today, 9/17/2001]

USA Today Editor Joel Sucherman sees a second plane but gives few details. [eWeek, 9/13/2001] Brian Kennedy, press secretary for a congressman, and others also see a second plane. [Sacramento Bee, 9/15/2001] Link not working!

or what about....Sorry links aren't working, but the names in google...

John O’Keefe is driving a car when he sees the Pentagon crash. “The first thing I did was pull over onto the shoulder, and when I got out of the car I saw another plane flying over my head. ... Then the plane—it looked like a C-130 cargo plane—started turning away from the Pentagon, it did a complete turnaround.” [New York Law Journal, 9/12/2001]

The pilot of the C-130, Lieutenant Colonel Steve O’Brien, is later interviewed, but his account differs from the on-the-ground eyewitnesses. He claims that just before the explosion, “With all of the East Coast haze, I had a hard time picking him out,” implying he is not nearby. He also says that just after the explosion, “I could see the outline of the Pentagon,” again implying he is not nearby. He then asks “the controller whether should set up a low orbit around the building,” but he is told “to get out of the area as quickly as possible.” “I took the plane once through the plume of smoke and thought if this was a terrorist attack, it probably wasn’t a good idea to be flying through that plume.” [Star-Tribune (Minneapolis), 9/11/2002]

http://www.s-t.com/daily/12-01/12-20-01/a02wn018.htm

An unnamed worker at Arlington National Cemetery “said a mysterious second plane was circling the area when the first one attacked the Pentagon.” [Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, 12/20/2001]

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I have NEVER quoted this?? but yet TellyKNeasuss decided to post it like I made the comments about the C-130 myself.

When infact it was in reference to one of a few links that I posted of people reporting another plane being in the sky when the Pentagon was hit.

There are plenty of other witnesses, even if you do discount the C-130 pilot!

F- for TellyKNeasuss.
 
beachnut said:
Thermite/thermate reactions are over in minutes. End of debunking this junk science dropout. You must be docker!
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You have the cheek to call me a Junk Science dropout. If I'm the drop out, then you must fall in the catergory of school retard or village idiot??

http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm

Thermite burns slowly relative to explosive materials and can require several minutes in contact with a massive steel section to heat it to a temperature ...


But then again.....

http://www.csir.co.za/plsql/pTl0002/PTL0002_PGE038_ARTICLE?ARTICLE_NO=7063319

Thermite can be tailored to yield a variety of burn rates; and can be used from low-heat to high-heat applications, fast burn-rate applications and even in the enhancement of detonic effects. The CSIR, in collaboration with Metlite Gauteng (Pty) Ltd, is currently characterising products using thermite technology in pyrotechnics used for incineration and heating, but especially for landmine and time expired ordnance destruction.

Shame on you Beachnut....Another debunker caught lying to meet his agenda. :D

F- in Science for Beachnut!
 
stundie said:
When infact it was in reference to one of a few links that I posted of people reporting another plane being in the sky when the Pentagon was hit.

There are plenty of other witnesses, even if you do discount the C-130 pilot!
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It's Washington DC! It's right next to a frikken major airport!

OF COURSE THERE'S OTHER AIRCRAFT IN THE SKY!!!

-Gumboot
 
stundie said:
You have the cheek to call me a Junk Science dropout. If I'm the drop out, then you must fall in the catergory of school retard or village idiot??
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Please provide evidence that a Thermite/ate reaction can last six weeks or longer, or retract your claim that "molten steel" at GZ was caused by this material.

I believe it is tradition for each village to have only one idiot.

-Gumboot
 
Alt+F4 said:
The conspiracy liars just continue to implode. One of the few things that they could, maybe, agree on was their belief that 9/11 was a inside job done by the federal government in order to justify an invasion of Afganistan and Iraq.
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A lot of people agree that 9/11 was either an inside job or they knew the terrorists were going to attack and let it happen. There could be lots of different reasons or motives for doing it, not just for the invasion of Iraq & Afghan, oil or the military/industrial complex.

Alt+F4 said:
Now, Stundie is adding that 9/11 was an inside job in order to help the MTA dump the money loosing, asbestos plagued WTC. As I posted before, if the conspiracy liars ever come up with a unifed theory, it will have to encompass every person in the United States.
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Why will it have to encompass every person in the US?? I'm sure Silverstien has no vested financial interest or involvement with the war in Iraq/Afghan. So there isn't one unified theory because all the people have different motives for there actions.

Alt+F4 said:
A hundred years from now human remains from 9/11 victims will still be found in lower Manhattan. Therefore, people not even born yet, the people who will identify those remains, are already part of the conspiracy.
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How do you work that one out?? Infact don't bother with your loony thought traits!
 
gumboot said:
Please provide evidence that a Thermite/ate reaction can last six weeks or longer, or retract your claim that "molten steel" at GZ was caused by this material.

I believe it is tradition for each village to have only one idiot.

-Gumboot
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http://www.csir.co.za/plsql/pTl0002/PTL0002_PGE038_ARTICLE?ARTICLE_NO=7063319

Thermite can be tailored to yield a variety of burn rates; and can be used from low-heat to high-heat applications, fast burn-rate applications and even in the enhancement of detonic effects. The CSIR, in collaboration with Metlite Gauteng (Pty) Ltd, is currently characterising products using thermite technology in pyrotechnics used for incineration and heating, but especially for landmine and time expired ordnance destruction.

What a dumb question? Thats like asking me if Petrol can burn for 6 weeks. Of course it can if there is enough fuel!!

hahahaha!!
 
gumboot said:
It's Washington DC! It's right next to a frikken major airport!

OF COURSE THERE'S OTHER AIRCRAFT IN THE SKY!!!

-Gumboot
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John O’Keefe is driving a car when he sees the Pentagon crash. “The first thing I did was pull over onto the shoulder, and when I got out of the car I saw another plane flying over my head. ... Then the plane—it looked like a C-130 cargo plane—started turning away from the Pentagon, it did a complete turnaround.” [New York Law Journal, 9/12/2001]

I forgot, planes do a complete turnaround when they get too the pentagon or an airport.
 
stundie said:
What a dumb question? Thats like asking me if Petrol can burn for 6 weeks. Of course it can if there is enough fuel!!
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So I take it you know how much thermite would be required to maintain a reaction for six weeks? And I take it you have a logical explanation for why the conspirators had this enormous quantity of excess thermite in the towers?

-Gumboot
 
stundie said:
John O’Keefe is driving a car when he sees the Pentagon crash. “The first thing I did was pull over onto the shoulder, and when I got out of the car I saw another plane flying over my head. ... Then the plane—it looked like a C-130 cargo plane—started turning away from the Pentagon, it did a complete turnaround.” [New York Law Journal, 9/12/2001]

I forgot, planes do a complete turnaround when they get too the pentagon or an airport.
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This is the ANG C-130H that has been discussed before. We know what it did. What is your point?

-Gumboot
 
Regnad Kcin said:
Well, Stundie? I see you've returned to the forum.

And for the third time, what, specifically, is Gravy's "agenda?"
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You'll ask to ask Gravy that question!

From what I can gather though, he is lying so it fits the offical account.
 
gumboot said:
This is the ANG C-130H that has been discussed before. We know what it did. What is your point?

-Gumboot
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Read the thread!

Did I ever said there was a point? Someone asked for proof hence the links!

You guys are laughable!! :)
 
stundie said:
Read the thread!

Did I ever said there was a point? Someone asked for proof hence the links!

You guys are laughable!! :)
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The matter is obviously not JUST that there was another aircraft in the sky. Your previous post clearly indicates you feel there was a SUSPICIOUS aircraft in the sky. The C-130H is fully accounted for and not the least bit suspicious.

-Gumboot
 
stundie said:
You'll ask to ask Gravy that question!

From what I can gather though, he is lying so it fits the offical account.
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What is it with all these Brits who have an unhealthy obsession with me?

Oh, I forgot: they've all been the same person.
 
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