[Moderated] So What Would You Think If This Were True?

WildCat said:
Thus foiling the NWO's clever plot to assassinate the entire Elite Pentagon Research Team™ at one fell swoop down by the junk yard... damn those pesky kids and their brilliant minds! (shakes fist)
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About witness and victim Lloyde England...

will he be able to sue these guys when they imply he is an agent?

Maybe the taxi driver is about to be the heir to LC money. That would be funny.
 
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R.Mackey said:
(from http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Ch...p?showtopic=78)


So then, this means:

1. The apparent bald-faced accusation that Lloyd (to pick one) is a shill, hyp-mo-tized, or otherwise an evil person in on the plot, is in fact not an accusation

2. You admit you have no proof that he is, not even evidence, but that the statement above is sheer speculation (your word, not mine)

3. You admit that you have presented unsubstantiated opinion without declaring it as such, and you expect the reader to be able to determine which is which

This raises a follow-up question. Given your admitted propensity to make wild accusations without merit or even the intent to do so, are any of your claims anything other than speculation? Care to clear that up?

Otherwise, taking you at your word, a rational person would conclude that every single thing you said is just "thinking out loud" and can be safely dismissed as pure fantasy.
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1. No it means it is exactly what it means. You do know what an accusation is right? If Lloyd was not hit by Pole 1, which we know he wasn't. Then he would not be telling the truth, and any accusations made would NOT be unfounded.

2. See #1

3. I admit, that Craig aka Lyte Trip had opinions after the first trip. He posted his gut feelings, and then the second trip happened, and now the feelings are either changed or reinforced, depending on which witness you are referring to. I suggest, you people act like cvilized human beings and stop trying to paint an unfair picture. If you asked about when opinions were made and how they feel now about those opinions now, that would be one thing. But you people make a campaign out of smearing someone without getting your facts straight or seeing if they stand by their initial impressions in their final product.

For instance...

Given your admitted propensity to make wild accusations without merit

Huh? My admitted propensity? Read that again, and think about it. You'll realize it's simply not true.
 
Arkan_Wolfshade said:
I'm pretty sure he has it too far to the right of the overhead pic; unless they changed that parking lot to have the same sidewalk and whatnot to the one on the left. Again, w/o knowing when the GE pic was taken it's all conjecture anyway.
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I think the lines on his aerial photo are just pointing out the tree and where it should be, rather than frame edge lines. I believe his "frame" is the different shaded area on the image.

Frankly it's all irrelevant. The explanation for a disappearing tree is so obvious it's not funny.

-Gumboot
 
beachnut said:
About witness and victim Lloyde England...

will he be able to sue these guys when they imply he is an agent?

Maybe the taxi driver is about to be the heir to LC money. That would be funny.
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We'd like to see him try.

If I were him, I would worry about other legal issues soon to come.
 
Skeptic4Sure said:
Of course, you know a majority of those were made *before* the "Elite Pentagon Research Team" broke off and decided to do additional research in the form of a second trip...you know that right?
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No, I didn't know that. Which of those few statements were made before your second trip and which after?

Are you saying that you do NOT believe that Lloyde England, Stephen McGraw, or Mike Walters, whom you interviewed, are lying, are government agents, or are under the influence of some mind-control or hypnosis program?

To be clear, please choose one of the following:

1) We do not believe that the witnesses listed above are lying or are under the influence of mind-control agents.

2) We still suspect that the witnesses listed above are lying or are under the influence of mind-control agents.



Now, Elite Team Member, how about the account of Sgt. Lagasse, who saw flight 77 hit the Pentagon?

1) Have you had any contact with him?

2) If so, did he tell you that the airliner hit the Pentagon?

3) If so, did he suggest that it may have been any other plane besides flight 77?

4) Do you have reason to believe that Sgt. Lagasse is lying or is under the influence of mind-control agents?
 
rwguinn said:
You can accuse half the free world of "guilt by association", but that could never apply to yourself?
Just asking questions,...
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First tell me when you find an outright accusation, and not some random opinion or brainstorming by an anonymous guy on the internet...then we can talk.
 
I suggest, you people act like cvilized human beings and stop trying to paint an unfair picture. If you asked about when opinions were made and how they feel now about those opinions now, that would be one thing. But you people make a campaign out of smearing someone without getting your facts straight or seeing if they stand by their initial impressions in their final product.
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The fact he made those statements at all, ever, paints him! Nothing anyone here has done!

DT
 
Skeptic4Sure said:
1. No it means it is exactly what it means. You do know what an accusation is right? If Lloyd was not hit by Pole 1, which we know he wasn't. Then he would not be telling the truth, and any accusations made would NOT be unfounded.
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Yes, I do know what an accusation is.

You just made one. You accused him of (a) lying about being hit by the pole, and by inference (b) everything I outlined above.

You do not know he was not hit by the pole.

You are a liar. You are furthermore libeling Lloyd. (I'm suddenly having Killtown flashbacks here. Moderators, please check this guy out again, if you don't mind.)

Skeptic4Sure said:
3. I admit, that Craig aka Lyte Trip had opinions after the first trip. He posted his gut feelings, and then the second trip happened, and now the feelings are either changed or reinforced, depending on which witness you are referring to. I suggest, you people act like cvilized human beings and stop trying to paint an unfair picture.
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Civilized people don't take their unsubstantiated gut feelings and translate them into accusations, publicize them, and use that as basis to implicate innocent victims as participants in the worst crime committed on U.S. soil since the Indian Wars.

So heed your own advice. I'm perfectly well versed in civilized discourse, thank you.

Skeptic4Sure said:
If you asked about when opinions were made and how they feel now about those opinions now, that would be one thing. But you people make a campaign out of smearing someone without getting your facts straight or seeing if they stand by their initial impressions in their final product.
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I believe, in light of the accusation that you just made above, I have my facts perfectly straight.

Skeptic4Sure said:
Huh? My admitted propensity? Read that again, and think about it. You'll realize it's simply not true.
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Of course it's true. You just made another one.

Checkmate.
 
Skeptic4Sure said:
We'd like to see him try.

If I were him, I would worry about other legal issues soon to come.
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What are you talking about?

What do you have S4S? Or are you incapable of presenting rational facts and evidence?

What could he be having legal problems with?
 
Gravy said:
No, I didn't know that. Which of those few statements were made before your second trip and which after?

Are you saying that you do NOT believe that Lloyde England, Stephen McGraw, or Mike Walters, whom you interviewed, are lying, are government agents, or are under the influence of some mind-control or hypnosis program?

To be clear, please choose one of the following:

1) We do not believe that the witnesses listed above are lying or are under the influence of mind-control agents.

2) We still suspect that the witnesses listed above are lying or are under the influence of mind-control agents.



Now, Elite Team Member, how about the account of Sgt. Lagasse, who saw flight 77 hit the Pentagon?

1) Have you had any contact with him?

2) If so, did he tell you that the airliner hit the Pentagon?

3) If so, did he suggest that it may have been any other plane besides flight 77?

4) Do you have reason to believe that Sgt. Lagasse is lying or is under the influence of mind-control agents?
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Mark Roberts,

My personal opinion is not what is important here. It will be the facts and holes in stories that will allow the conspiracy to be revealed. People will be able to draw their own conclusions from the information.

As for your other question, you will just have to wait and see, now won't you?

And for the record, I hold mind control as a very, very, very improbable aspect of this operation.
 
Mark Roberts,

Let me ask you a question about Sgt. Lagasse, if Sgt. Lagasse said the plane was on the North side would you believe him or call him a liar?

If you believed him, would you accept 9/11 as an inside job? Because you would have to.
 
Skeptic4Sure said:
Mark Roberts,

My personal opinion is not what is important here. It will be the facts and holes in stories that will allow the conspiracy to be revealed. People will be able to draw their own conclusions from the information.

As for your other question, you will just have to wait and see, now won't you?

And for the record, I hold mind control as a very, very, very improbable aspect of this operation.
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S4S needs to run for office he has avoided answering all questions! Good job.
 
Skeptic4Sure said:
Mark Roberts,

Let me ask you a question about Sgt. Lagasse, if Sgt. Lagasse said the plane was on the North side would you believe him or call him a liar?

If you believed him, would you accept 9/11 as an inside job? Because you would have to.
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WoW...just WoW, you are one big "IF"!



DT
 
Skeptic4Sure said:
Mark Roberts,

Let me ask you a question about Sgt. Lagasse, if Sgt. Lagasse said the plane was on the North side would you believe him or call him a liar?

If you believed him, would you accept 9/11 as an inside job? Because you would have to.
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You are wrong.

I repeat: have you had any contact with Sgt. Lagasse? If so, does he claim to have seen, with his own eyes, flight 77 hit the Pentagon?

Interested parties await your response.


Now, please answer: do you think Lloyde England, Mike Walters, and Stephen McGraw are telling the truth?
 
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Skeptic4Sure said:
Mark Roberts,

Let me ask you a question about Sgt. Lagasse, if Sgt. Lagasse said the plane was on the North side would you believe him or call him a liar?

If you believed him, would you accept 9/11 as an inside job? Because you would have to.
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It does not make sense! If Chewbacca is from Endor, you must acquit!
 
Skeptic4Sure said:
If you believed him, would you accept 9/11 as an inside job? Because you would have to.
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And this, I believe, is where we reach the termination of your cognitive abilities.

There is no process of logic by which "north of CITGO" = "inside job".

"North of CITGO" = "north of CITGO". Nothing more.

-Gumboot
 
Skeptic4Sure said:
Mark Roberts,

My personal opinion is not what is important here. It will be the facts and holes in stories that will allow the conspiracy to be revealed. People will be able to draw their own conclusions from the information.

As for your other question, you will just have to wait and see, now won't you?
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This is the biggest dodge I've ever seen.

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Are you saying that you do NOT believe that Lloyde England, Stephen McGraw, or Mike Walters, whom you interviewed, are lying, are government agents, or are under the influence of some mind-control or hypnosis program?
 
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