Discussion of the Pentagon taxi cab driver's impossible account.

Russell Pickering said:
I DO NOT have a membership agreement. I act independently in ALL respects with total forthrightness.
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I think Bell meant the membership agreement here - which says you aren't allowed to disclose any private information about an individual.
 
Russell, how do you feel about your Washington research? Did you come to any sort of conclusion?
 
maccy said:
I think Bell meant the membership agreement here - which says you aren't allowed to disclose any private information about an individual.
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Yes, that's what I meant. And to add - personal information that is NOT available publicy. Russell, I said that because I don't wanted to ask you to post information that would get you banned.
 
Lyte Trip said:
My "work" was investigative.

I examined the light poles, obtained their specifics, and talked to the witness and others in the area.

My conclusions are based on the total body of evidence that I have collected in the investigation.

I have not used mathematical calculations to determine that the well over 20 foot pole that allegedly speared the cab and allegedly remained in the cab until it was physically removed should have scratched the hood.

Feel free to use them to prove that it could happen if that floats your boat.

I answered your question now you answer mine....

Can you concede that Lloyd's account of what happened is implausible?
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Nope! If the pole was jammed into the back seat as Mr. England clearly drew it (and as you keep ignoring), it's plausible that his account is entirely correct; the pole could have been completely off the road:

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Russell Pickering said:
If I don't relax by tomorrow I am going to contact every witness in DC and warn them they are going to be accused of being liars.

I never dreamed that unscrupulous people would take things to this level and you can bet I am preparing a response. It is time for accountability.

I can assure if I had not been in DC, the entire Pentagon investigation would be twisted by these two.

Dylan does not support this abuse of witnesses either.
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Hello again, Russell Pickering. Even though you've disappointed me in our past debates, I wholeheartedly agree with you here.

Now you understand why we're so sticky about details, and so incensed by some of the things coming out of the "Truth Movement." Irresponsible accusations against imaginary cartels is bad enough; accusations leveled against real live individuals is heinous. I believe the ancients had an expression about "bearing false witness" that applies here.
Russell Pickering said:
I have to be honest and say that I have a problem with the large pole part. I personally went and lifted those poles at the VDOT yard. It is not small or light. The damage to the inside of the cab from the photos I saw would also indicate a smaller piece in my opinion. Also, the stopping distance he describes only makes sense in my mind if it was a piece of pole two on his way to stopping near pole one. You really have to read this to see the argument.

I believe the poles were impacted by a 757 and that Lloyd was an innocent victim. His story is confusing. That is why I tried to clarify what happened in that footage since it had changed so drastically.
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I'd just like to take this opportunity to say that the mechanics of the taxi - pole impact could have been quite complicated. We don't know the attitude or velocity of the pole after it got whacked by an airplane, and there is a huge range of possibilities. The impact with the windshield would have imparted a significant force as well. In other words, this situation is basically unpredictable. Furthermore, since Mr. England's recollection is understandably incomplete (I doubt I could do better), we really know very little about What Really Happened aside from that deduced from the aftermath.

While I'd agree that what seems to have happened might be unusual, rare, lucky perhaps (lucky that he wasn't badly injured!), I see nothing at all that says it was "impossible." We'd need to have a whole lot more information to rule this out, and we don't. I've seen and experienced some pretty bizarre "one in a million" type things in vehicle impacts. It happens.

I also have absolutely no idea why the New World Order needed to preserve that particular car hood's finish. As usual, this conspiracy theory simply makes no sense at all, other than the angle of Lyte Trip and his fellow Killclones rushing nutty ideas to print, hoping to snag some dollars from even more credulous people. Disgusting isn't a strong enough word.
 
Pardalis said:
Russell, how do you feel about your Washington research? Did you come to any sort of conclusion?
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Yes - a 757 hit the Pentagon.

The irritating thing is that Merc and Lyte know there was a plane too. They refuse to believe it hit the building and that is why they want to convolute it into a flyover despite evidence. If they don't like a witness they make them a conspirator. If they don't like a piece of evidence it vanishes into a black operation.

Dylan is truly in the middle. He is not 100% convinced of an impact and sees the weaknesses of a flyover too. I believe the Pentagon section will be balanced.
 
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Lyte Trip said:
Speculative hypothesis:

The poles were removed sometime in the middle of the the night perhaps even a day or two prior or the night before the event.

It was disguised as regular road detail.

Only pole #1 was in a conspicuous area so all the others were placed the night before or hours before the attack.

Pole number one and the pre damaged taxi were placed seconds after the the explosion had everyones attention.
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Hilarious! Keep it coming!

Did the Underpants Gnomes do this?

Without anyone noticing?
 
Russell Pickering said:
Dylan is truly in the middle. He is not 100% convinced of an impact and sees the weaknesses of a flyover too. I believe the Pentagon section will be balanced.
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I must say I am please with your new found attitude towards facts. I apologize if I offended you in the past.

But if neither of you guys are sure of anything, why do you keep posting half-truths (in your view) on the internet and why are you all so rushed to complete the movie? Why are you satisfied with doubt?

Doesn't a real researcher wait for his final conclusion to be solid and complete before he releases it to the public?
 
Bell said:
Could that have happened when Mr. England and the anonymous guy pulled the pole away and to the side of the road?
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It is possible Lloyd's story is a composite.

He may have moved the small piece himself to the curb AND dragged the big piece.

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Like I said, I have not figured it out.
 
Russell Pickering said:
It is possible Lloyd's story is a composite.

He may have moved the small piece himself to the curb AND dragged the big piece.

[qimg]http://www.pentagonresearch.com/images/412.jpg[/qimg]

Like I said, I have not figured it out.
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Judging from the direction the scratch follows (away from the Pentagon) it seems impossible that it was caused by the pole being knocked over by AA77. Also, it seems to make a 'perfect' curve, which could have the taxi as a center.
 
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