MaGZ: There were no missiles, here is proof.

Very true....

a_unique_person said:
MaGZ. Heres a hint. Don't expect Neo-Nazi sites to have anything worthwhile on them. Anyone who admires Hitler has to have a screw loose for a start. He was the guy who, rather than surrender, was quite happy to send children off to die in a lost war. When it was all over, he just killed himself, he didn't fight it out. He blamed the Germans for losing the war for being weak, and that they deserved to lose.
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I've been counter-trolling him for weeks on that issue, demanding to hear his stand on Jews, Hitler, the Holocaust, and neo-Nazis, and he dodges and weaves on those questions, too.

And Hitler said often that the German people were not worthy of his "great abilities." For a great leader of the white race, he did a lousy job of leading...rarely went to the front, never talked to wounded men, never visited bombed cities, hanged or denounced all his supporters as "traitors," and stayed hidden in his bunker right up to the end, and betrayed them by blowing his brains out. Didn't even carry a rifle.
 
hey MaGZ your proven wrong once again.

Well it appears the parking lot is intact with no fire whatsoever in the Bob and Bri video @12:47 after the second plane hit. where are yout missiles now MaGZ?

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Yeah, where'd he go?

A W Smith said:
Well it appears the parking lot is intact with no fire whatsoever in the Bob and Bri video @12:47 after the second plane hit. where are your missiles now MaGZ?

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Guess he moseyed back to Stormfront. Well, sadly, these guys are like Willie Nelson's "Highwayman." Next!
 
MaGZ said:
I don't know what you mean by "overpressure damage."
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Cha ching. Do you understand why you have a major credibility problem? Ignorance is bliss, so I imagine you are an extremely happy person. :) Good for you.
Did you see the black circular crater behind the row of burnt vehicles in the NOAA satellite photo?
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What model of missile again, from an F-16 that wasn't in the airspace over New York at the time a missile needed to be fired to fit your fantasy?

From the NOAA picture taken the day after, no evidence can be seen of a hole consistent with any USAF missile carried by an F-16. There is, however, one hole that, if you ignored everything else you could see in the picture, and the fact of fires three days before, could be guessed (before forensic analysis was done) as being the crater of a pair of GBU-31 bombs with a delayed fuse that hit a cave or underground hollow. (Ya know, like a subway stop or basement. )

Of course, once you look at the later satellite picture, you see scale problems that eliminate such from consideration. But we'll play along.

The problem is that a GBU-31 is not a missile, and you don't try to hit an airliner doing 400+ knots by dropping a GBU-31 from 10,000+ feet balistically on it. Not if you are an F-16 pilot assigned a CAP or air intercept mission, for which the GBU series munitions Are Not Loaded.

If a Sidewinder is your posited missile, the strongest heat signature is the exhaust of the airliner, a non-maneuvering target. That has a pK of just under 1.0.

If you think it was an AAMRAM, the pK for that quality of a target is similar. The end game of both missiles in that attack profile is not going to drill a hole into the ground. Blast frag for fifty, Alex.
I do not know about missile munitions or the type of craters they would make. Here is some hard evidence: the black crater. Those familiar with missile explosions can take some measurements and come to some conclusions.
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You lose, Buckwheat.

Now, go home and get on your knees in front of you mother. Look up into her face and beg her forgiveness for spending the money she gave you for school books on porn.

DR

ETA: Kiwiwriter, I had to ROFL: "What would Himmler think?" Yer killin' me! :D
 
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A W Smith said:
Well it appears the parking lot is intact with no fire whatsoever in the Bob and Bri video @12:47 after the second plane hit. where are yout missiles now MaGZ?

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If you continue viewing on to when WTC 2 collapsed and before the debris cloud enveloped the area, you get a good glimpse of the parking lot and no fire or smoke or crater (just in case the alleged missile loitered around a while before it ran out of fuel and crashed :)).
 
fezzic said:
If you continue viewing on to when WTC 2 collapsed and before the debris cloud enveloped the area, you get a good glimpse of the parking lot and no fire or smoke or crater (just in case the alleged missile loitered around a while before it ran out of fuel and crashed :)).
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Yep. At the 18:40 mark, the video zooms in on the very parking lot MaGZ claims was hit by a missile immediately following the second impact. This is after the first collapse and there is clearly no crater. There isn't even fire.
 
MaGZ said:
I don't know what you mean by "overpressure damage."
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Darth Rotor said:
Cha ching. Do you understand why you have a major credibility problem? Ignorance is bliss, so I imagine you are an extremely happy person. :) Good for you.
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Here's a hint for MaGZ: Anyone who presumes to lecture people about what damage missles can do, but who doesn't know what "overpressure damage" means, should keep his fool mouth shut, and listen to those who do know what it means.

I'm not even an explosives guy, and I know what it means! How can MaGZ be running around running his mouth off with such little knowledge?

I know, I know: He's a twoofer. And a pretty whacked out one at that.....
 
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Cha ching. Do you understand why you have a major credibility problem? Ignorance is bliss, so I imagine you are an extremely happy person. :) Good for you.

What model of missile again, from an F-16 that wasn't in the airspace over New York at the time a missile needed to be fired to fit your fantasy?

From the NOAA picture taken the day after, no evidence can be seen of a hole consistent with any USAF missile carried by an F-16. There is, however, one hole that, if you ignored everything else you could see in the picture, and the fact of fires three days before, could be guessed (before forensic analysis was done) as being the crater of a pair of GBU-31 bombs with a delayed fuse that hit a cave or underground hollow. (Ya know, like a subway stop or basement. )

Of course, once you look at the later satellite picture, you see scale problems that eliminate such from consideration. But we'll play along.

The problem is that a GBU-31 is not a missile, and you don't try to hit an airliner doing 400+ knots by dropping a GBU-31 from 10,000+ feet balistically on it. Not if you are an F-16 pilot assigned a CAP or air intercept mission, for which the GBU series munitions Are Not Loaded.

If a Sidewinder is your posited missile, the strongest heat signature is the exhaust of the airliner, a non-maneuvering target. That has a pK of just under 1.0.

If you think it was an AAMRAM, the pK for that quality of a target is similar. The end game of both missiles in that attack profile is not going to drill a hole into the ground. Blast frag for fifty, Alex.

You lose, Buckwheat.

Now, go home and get on your knees in front of you mother. Look up into her face and beg her forgiveness for spending the money she gave you for school books on porn.

DR

ETA: Kiwiwriter, I had to ROFL: "What would Himmler think?" Yer killin' me! :D
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A post definitely worth repeating.

So, I repeated it.

So many troofers are pretending to be experts in missiles recently, and posting the same old crap about non-existent "craters" to try to bolster their nonsensical posts, so I thought this was worth repeating.

Many other posts in this thread are also worth repeating but given the rules of the forum, I'll refrain in order to err on the side of adherence to the rules.

(But you know who you are, Horatius, Cl1mh4224rd, Kiwiwriter, a_unique_person, Lucas, Andúril, gumboot, parky, Arkan, CurtC, and so many others - too numerous to list, and no offence to those I missed!)
 
A W Smith said:
Well it appears the parking lot is intact with no fire whatsoever in the Bob and Bri video @12:47 after the second plane hit. where are yout missiles now MaGZ?

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Yeah but "IT WAS A MILITARY PLANE".

:P

ETA: Not to be insensitive, but... Why is it that both the second plane hit and the second tower collapse are cut out? Or is it a huge coincidence that she stopped filming at precisely those two times? Maybe she sold the tape and there's copyright issues?
 
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But, Heinie....

Darth Rotor said:
Cha ching. Do you understand why you have a major credibility problem? Ignorance is bliss, so I imagine you are an extremely happy person. :) Good for you.

What model of missile again, from an F-16 that wasn't in the airspace over New York at the time a missile needed to be fired to fit your fantasy?

If you think it was an AAMRAM, the pK for that quality of a target is similar. The end game of both missiles in that attack profile is not going to drill a hole into the ground. Blast frag for fifty, Alex.

You lose, Buckwheat.

Now, go home and get on your knees in front of you mother. Look up into her face and beg her forgiveness for spending the money she gave you for school books on porn.

DR

ETA: Kiwiwriter, I had to ROFL: "What would Himmler think?" Yer killin' me! :D
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Well, arguing from ignorance is always the best way for neo-Nazis and 9/11 nutters to go.

There are plenty of basements and holes in what used to be the WTC...several subway lines, and the underground shopping mall. I've been through that complex nearly every day of my life, going to and from work or school, as has my wife. The holes were often pre-existing.

As for Heinrich Himmler...as far as I'm concerned, his two worst hours were the time he actually went to see one of the mass executions he ordered, and he was swooning, crying, and fainting, at the horrific massacre he had ordered. Then he composed himself and commended his flunkies on their "hardness" in the face of such tough duties. His other worst hour was near the end of his life, when he was negotiating with Sweden's Count Folke Bernadotte to swap Jews in return for his head and a partial surrender to the West. Himmler believed that he would function under Eisenhower as the chief constable of Europe.

Sort of like how MaGZ thinks he's the cutting edge of revisionist thinking on 9/11.
 
Lucas said:
ETA: Not to be insensitive, but... Why is it that both the second plane hit and the second tower collapse are cut out? Or is it a huge coincidence that she stopped filming at precisely those two times? Maybe she sold the tape and there's copyright issues?
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I believe they've made public statements that they did stop filming. It's not "coincidence" that they stopped filming, though. It's that they started filming again when something new happened.

Anyone who's ever tried to get a good video of their cat doing something cute can relate to this effect. I've got a couple of hours of video of the cat just looking at me, and then abrupt cuts to a few seconds after the cat finally did something worth filming.
 
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