Bigfoot - The Patterson-Gimlin Film

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Laverty said he passed by the film site on the 19th or the 20th. Presumably he saw no tracks.

That presumption is important because it's used to firm up the film's authenticity by the Pattycakes. If the film is a hoax and a fake trackway was created on the 19th - does the testimony of Laverty truly rule that out? IOW, how can we know that Laverty absolutely would have seen a faked trackway if it existed on the sandbar on October 19th? That's why the question of exactly why and how he found the trackway on Oct 23rd matters. Was it because those tracks could not be missed while riding past in a truck, or because Laverty had learned that a guy filmed a Bigfoot on a Bluff Creek sandbar? Did he discover them by lucky chance or pre-knowledge of the PGF?

The unstated assumption made by the Pattycakes is that if any Bigfoot type tracks appeared on that sandbar at any time, Laverty would have detected them for sure. As a consequence of that assumption, any Pattycake is free to additionally assume that P&G did not film a guy in a suit on the sandbar at any time prior to October 20th because Laverty would have already seen the tracks made by the huge fake feet of the costume wearer.

He took the picture on the 23rd.

Why the hell has it been widely reported that he did this on the following day (Oct. 21)? Who screwed up that bit of relevant information?
 
21st and 22nd was the weekend. Laverty would not have been working. The first work day after the filming is the 23rd. If he went by the site just before the film was made, it had to be the 19th or the 20th.

So we get the 19th or 20th for the "no tracks" flyby, and the 23rd for the "just happened to run across the site while working" and took the pictures of the tracks.

http://americanbigfootsocietycleari...6/09/bob-heironimuss-fake-track-claim-is.html
 
So we are talking about Laverty and P/G all over each other, I guess...

Multiple vehicles and horses, a timber crew and their vehicle(s), a bigfoot or three, all in the same area on the same days...
 
There was another recent interesting X-Zone Radio show about the PGF. The guests are Kal Korff and Henry May. The show is from September 13th and is archived here. The Bigfoot segment starts at about 3:00.

Korff lays out more of the claim that the film is a hoax and that Bob Heironimus was the man in the suit. You will hear things that you never heard before. Also interesting is that we learn that a new film will be released on the 40th anniversary of the PGF (presumably October 20, 2007) which is based on the PGF being a hoax. I guess there is also a new PGF hoax book in the works as well. Korff says he is collaborating with some prominant Bigfooters in the production of this. That's intriguing and I guess pretty cool.

This show is worth a listen to the PGF skeptics. The segment is about one hour and it moves along pretty nicely because Korff and May work well with the live radio format. Check it out.
 
Hey everyone..

I need to announce that I really had my clock cleaned by Gigantofootecus over at BFF with regard to the angle/altitude of the Sun in the photo of Roger holding the casts.

http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=20056&view=findpost&p=408373


I think I've exhausted my skeptical arsenal with regard to the PGF..

Too bad my last shot was such a dud, or maybe I should call it a short round, that blew up in my face...
 
No, simply in reference to something about a picture not being taken when it was alleged to have been taken. (or where i suppose)
 
People, I fail to see any reasons for anything other than a "Crap, I was wrong!" statement. Since this was already made...

Diogenes' arguments and reasonings, despite proven incorrect, were better exposed and backed than the standard Footer arguments such as "a human head won't fit inside Patty's head", "Patty navigated through a terrain that no man in gorilla suit could", "no human could duplicate that gait", "IM proves it was not a human", "can't reproduce Patty with FX tech from the 60s'", etc.

For some reason, it seems I missed the counterparts from the proponents when their claims were proven wrong, incorrect or lacking...

Oh, taken from Correa Neto's dusty B-movie cheesy rubber suits archives...
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Check those bulging leg muscles!
And the limb proportions! Not human, I'll tell you! Not human!
The first poster who correctly identifies the movie receives a Pattycake as trophy.
 
Where's the Beef?

Hi guys.
Can someone please direct me to the nearest Forum that is debating the Global Warming issue. Not a bunch of woo denialists, but current scientific researchers that are claiming cycle, 100 year occurrences, etc.
Thanks a bunch.
Just to remind everyone, this is coming from a woo believer in bigfoot. I wanna see what it's like bashing on a bunch of people professing belief in wooism, ie. global warming denialism.
Again, thanks a bunch. :)
 
Hi guys.
Can someone please direct me to the nearest Forum that is debating the Global Warming issue. Not a bunch of woo denialists, but current scientific researchers that are claiming cycle, 100 year occurrences, etc.
Thanks a bunch.
Just to remind everyone, this is coming from a woo believer in bigfoot. I wanna see what it's like bashing on a bunch of people professing belief in wooism, ie. global warming denialism.
Again, thanks a bunch. :)
Science, Mathematics, Medicine, and Technology.
 
Science, Mathematics, Medicine, and Technology.

Thanks, guy. My bashing reference was just a jovial jab. You don't really think I'm that silly to jump in a thread with that premise, do you? Just want to see what the latest discussions are about in particular(s). I've been reading this thread (backwards), and I see where some of these jabs can lead. In other words, I was just testing my woo-ometer. Noticed that you mentioned getting back to bigfoot country, wondering if you tried tubers and small fruit. I'm betting that it would get results for any indigenous primate.
 
Thanks, guy. My bashing reference was just a jovial jab. You don't really think I'm that silly to jump in a thread with that premise, do you? Just want to see what the latest discussions are about in particular(s). I've been reading this thread (backwards), and I see where some of these jabs can lead. In other words, I was just testing my woo-ometer. Noticed that you mentioned getting back to bigfoot country, wondering if you tried tubers and small fruit. I'm betting that it would get results for any indigenous primate.
Which post of mine are you referring to?

Have you seen the pancake video?
 
I believe most sightings to be the result of a Hypnagogic Hallucination. and I have not ruled that out in my case.
Hey Drew, this is from the BFRO Vancouver Island expedition thread I linked earlier. Anything here strike you as being attributable to sleep paralysis/hallucination?:

I just returned from the Vancouver Expedition with no real earth shattering encounters. The wood knocks, vocalization, whistles and call blasts we conducted did produce some response, but nothing that would indicate any sizable group activity. Being that this was my first BFRO hosted expedition, I was able to come away with a greater understanding of sustainable habitat and habits of BF. I also realized what my personal weaknesses are as far as being prepared and ready, no matter what my situation is.
Each of the three nights in which I had participated had been preceded by a fair amount of examination into the factors supporting any BF activity. We were free to team up with who ever we choose, and I choose Rob Kennedy. Rob made it easy for group members to voice an opinion or share knowledge of what could be useful in increasing the odds of an encounter. We evaluated the data and a collective decision was reached on where to focus our efforts. After a substantial effort to reach our primary target failed, our second choice was in an old growth forest 150 yards from a river. We were later met by three other BFRO groups and quickly developed a network of satellite camps covering about one square mile and multiple elevations. This enabled the whole group to share information in any BF response that would otherwise go undetected. It worked! Our group heard a response that was too faint for the other groups to hear.
After a few hours of sleep I was partially awake at about 3:30. During this time I heard something approaching the camp site through the undergrowth. Struggling to become more alert, I found myself unable to move or do anything. I attribute this to being very exhausted. All I could do is listen, and I could do that. Our camp site was very quiet and the fire was completely out! Being separate from the rest of my group by about 25 feet, I felt a bit vulnerable and began dealing with fear as the sound kept getting closer. I didn稚 want to radio Rob since all groups were monitoring the same channel, and I didn稚 want to bother anyone who could be sleeping, so I tried to just get his attention by calling his name. I couldn稚 even do that! Since I was in a one man tent without windows, I couldn稚 see him to determine if he was recording whatever was approaching our camp. Now I was worried that by getting up and out of my tent, I would scare it (whatever it was) off and I could ruin a 適odak moment・that might be in progress. Therefore, I didn稚 continue to try to wake up. I figured it was probably a deer or something. I then began to fall back asleep, but not before, I felt something pressing softly on my right side. I was sleeping on my left side facing the others camped around the fire ring. This really elevated my fear level and I was able to work up enough strength to jerk my body away as if to say, 敵et off me!・I guess I was too tiered to do anything because I then just laid there listening to it (whatever it was) move away the same way it approached.
Later when everyone started getting up, I went to Rob and asked if he herd anything last night, and he said frankly, 土es I did・ 的 heard something walking all around our site・ He described the exact same sounds that I heard. So that痴 when I told him what I experienced, saying I must have been exhausted and only imagined what took place. He replied, 典hat痴 exactly what so many people have reported, while out camping・ Apparently, this is one of the things Saquatch will do in an inquisitive sort of way, just gently touch people while they池e sleeping・
If that is what happened, it freaked me out! However, I can稚 say for sure because I was apparently too tired, which is strange since I normally wake up between 2:30 and 3:30 am every day.
There you have it・
 
Which post of mine are you referring to?

Have you seen the pancake video?

Well, I'm reading this thread backwards, and I'm in the 90s now, so it would have to be around page 100 or so.

What pancake video? The only video that I'm waiting for is the supposed sasquatch movie of Rob Zombie that I heard was coming out. Now that guy knows art.

I mentioned the bait in my last post because I believe that some definitive evidence needs to be forthcoming as to what people have encountered. Besides the trailer banging and tent crashing. Now, for the tricky part: I read mention (in this thread) that the relic neanderthal theory was "number two" on the list for sasquatch theories. Can you, so kindly, direct me to a thread that deals with this topic in particular? Much gratitude.
 
Mysterious footprint (post) path?

He, don't forget the other bigfoot threads with hundreds of pages...
The other threads lead off the seemingly same way a sasquatch trail would lead off. Should I follow? Or be satisfied with this worthy batch of posts/prints? Has anyone answered this? By the way, thanks for amusing me, I have 'discovered' an immeasurable amount of info on bigfoot here, and what can be mistaken for bigfoot. I will peruse the other threads eventually, be assured.
 
manofthesea,

I linked to a lot of pictures that I was hosting on a now defunct site.

If you come across a missing image ( that was included in one of my posts ) that you would like to see, let me know, and I can re-host them..

This is one of my all-time favorites..

Patty's butt-twin .. A 1949 gorilla suit ..


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I swear, the lower half of Patty could be the pants to that suit. Look at the pattern of lines on the upper thigh..
 
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The other threads lead off the seemingly same way a sasquatch trail would lead off. Should I follow? Or be satisfied with this worthy batch of posts/prints? Has anyone answered this? By the way, thanks for amusing me, I have 'discovered' an immeasurable amount of info on bigfoot here, and what can be mistaken for bigfoot. I will peruse the other threads eventually, be assured.
Well, honestly, the best place where those footprints can lead you is called "inconclusive"...

At the other threads you will find several issues dicussed here, some in more depth, some more an passant as well as stuff that was not touched. This will be intermingled with flame wars and endless repetitions of weak arguments, appeals to authority, to pity, to ignorance, diversion attempts, obfuscations attempts and ad homs.

Some (hopefully) interesting discussions on topics that are somehow (marginally or not) related may also be found, such as the "Government should fund bigfoot research because they funded SETI", "Biologists are not working where and/or how they could find bigfoot", "No roadkills because...", "Bigfeet nowadays are just like gorillas and pandas were in the past", etc. My favorites are the (mis)interpretations of native myths as backing for bigfeet being real and the pros and cons of Gigantopithecus (as well as Paranthropus and Meganthropus) as templates for bigfoot myth.

My take?
Instead reading them all, use the search function for the topics you are interested. Of course, things you don't suspect and may eventually be of your interest will most likely be lost among the babble.

I feel its safe enough to say we probably covered most if not all bigfoot-related issues...
 
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