Hyper Dimensional Design

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In other words, you have no explanation for why one particular flyby is more significant than all the others
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The others are equally significant but they didn't pop up on the specific timecoded patterns that were monitored. These other fly by should have a closer look in order to try to identify the underlying Design if one would like to do that
 
Sorry, but you are the one claiming this event or that as "significant". A little late to back away from that now!
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just to make clear what the use of some words actually mean. When I use significant than I mean that the event could be considered to be a confirmation of the hidden underlying Design
 
No. You did not answer the question: why exactly is the release of three smoke detectors' worth of radiation "significant"?
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Apparently, for you its just an Earthquake causing a nuclear leak in Japan, a coincidence

For me it was a confirmation of the hidden underlying design as described in the HDDesign material as I was expecting a Nagasaki echo for that day, directly calculated from August 9, 1945 to july 15, 2007 ( +/- 1 day). Already published in 2004 and put on the timeline months before this event took place. Do you know a better way to express an echo without dropping another fat boy in Japan?
 
Bonus question: Why is such a trivial release significant but the release every day of far greater amounts of radiation from coal-fired power plants not significant?
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I don't see how this could be seen as a Nagasaki echo on the expected predetermined date
 
No, it does not. Every single nuclear generator (41 RTGs, one reactor) and heat source (over two hundred RHUs) launched by the U.S. has functioned as designed. Even the four generator/heat sources in failed launches did what they were supposed to do.

Do you, or do you not, consider a 100% rate of operation as designed successful?
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I think you don't understand what I mean.

Its not the question if we would be able to use nuclear power, but if we should. I mean the atomic bombs on Hirhoshima and Nagasaki did their work as designed, the question is if we should have done that.
My understanding of this HDDesign made me think that there's somekind of message in related events in order to make us understand not to misuse this nuclear power again, especially when we have to deal with the carmic issues of past nuclear evnts in our current and future timeframes. The high altitude nuclear detonations with effect in space were not a wise thing to do, given the fact that both shuttle disasters are intelligently linked to these nuclear tests in space.
 
No, they were not. Neither had anything whatsoever to do with nuclear power of any variety. You might as well claim they were "directly linked" to the activities of mimes, or the spreading of mustard on ham sandwiches, or the NBA games scheduled that day
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That's your opinion and I agree with you that almost everyone will agree with you ( maybe all but 1:)). However, the HDDesign shows differently. Popping up instantly unveiling its profound connectedness, at least to me...again. Be aware of the fact that expectations for specific future dates are already mentioned on the timelines. Let's see what happens on that day, I will make sure you won't miss it
 
Backpedaling noted, but irrelevant anyway. There has not been a nuclear detonation in space since 1962 - twenty-four years before the Challenger accident.
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again you are wrong. I have already posted about the explore IV and Operation Argus in 1958. The Golden Mean Phi spiral originated from this very moment connecting both shuttle disasters

Operation Argus was a series of nuclear weapons tests and missile tests secretly conducted during August and September of 1958, in the South Atlantic, by the United States Defense Nuclear Agency, in conjunction with the Explorer IV mission.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Argus
 
Here's the expected Hariri development, right on schedules as mentioned on the timeline. On November 30, 2007 +/- 1 day, the next keydate of the 13 keydates on the Phibased timespiral Hariri assassination - Venus Passage 2012. See page 4 of the Hariri thread.
Also PHI POINT between Hariri February 14, 2005 - Venus Transit June 6, 2012
breaking news today:
Hariri probe 'finds new culprits'
The UN commission into the murder of former Lebanese PM Rafik Hariri in 2005 says it is making progress and has identified more of those involved.
fill article:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7118460.stm
 
Dutch said:
i have told several times that I'm not endlessly looking for connections with cherry picking. You give me a list of dates and I have to guess what theme has been expressed based on a specific undserlying timecoded pattern that is unknown to me?
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I gave you a list of related dates and you cannot find a pattern in them. You say hyper dimensional design works on dates and geometry so plotting a list of dates should yield a pattern which should fit precisely with one of your predetermined patterns.

The fact that your system only 'works' when you pick the connection in advance, give yourself a large margin of error, and only count events which you can fit in after the fact should tell you that there is a problem.
 
Dutch said:
Here's the expected Hariri development, right on schedules as mentioned on the timeline. On November 30, 2007 +/- 1 day
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How does a report of an undated announcement about the current activities of the commission count as 'right on schedule'; you don't know when the statement was made or when the possibility or more conspirators was first discussed.

the next keydate of the 13 keydates on the Phibased timespiral Hariri assassination
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What are the remaining dates on the timespiral?
 
Paul said:
I gave you a list of related dates and you cannot find a pattern in them. You say hyper dimensional design works on dates and geometry so plotting a list of dates should yield a pattern which should fit precisely with one of your predetermined patterns.

The fact that your system only 'works' when you pick the connection in advance, give yourself a large margin of error, and only count events which you can fit in after the fact should tell you that there is a problem.
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you still don't understand....if it makes you feel better: this makes no sense to me at all
 
Paul said:
How does a report of an undated announcement about the current activities of the commission count as 'right on schedule'; you don't know when the statement was made or when the possibility or more conspirators was first discussed.

What are the remaining dates on the timespiral?
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they are listed in the thread I refer to. I have been expecting Hariri/Syria developments on every HD date at macro orientation and each time something related happened. This current timeframe is a Phi point and on of the 13 days on the Phi based spiral as explained in the Hariri thread.
If you want me to keep on answering your questions i would apreciate it if you would do your research too.
 
Dutch said:
3 nukes were launched and exploded at high altitude in the atmosphere, in coordination with explorer IV in space at that time:
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High in the atmosphere still isn't in space, as in "There has not been a nuclear detonation in space since 1962" from the original post.
 
Dutch said:
they are listed in the thread I refer to. I have been expecting Hariri/Syria developments on every HD date at macro orientation and each time something related happened. This current timeframe is a Phi point and on of the 13 days on the Phi based spiral as explained in the Hariri thread.
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You know that this timeframe is a spiral and has 13 points, but if I give you a list of points you just act dumb and avoid the question.

If you want me to keep on answering your questions i would apreciate it if you would do your research too.
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You're the one making the claims and overloading us with 'research', I'm just asking you to clarify some points.
 
Dutch said:
because both marked the 2 points of the given Golden Mean Phi based spiral
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Both? I asked you what made one flyby more significant than the others. Now you invoke another one that happens to match some date you gamed up, but you still cannot explain why those are significant compared to the others not on those dates.
Dutch said:
Help yourself by investigating this HDDesign material. The math is not a game but based on Platonic Solid geometry, Golden Mean and mathematical orbits.
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I did look at some of your initial explanations. You base this on in invalid model of the Earth's orbit; you use a significantly imprecise value for the Earth's orbital period; you said events are predicted "+/- 1 day" but can give no account for why such a precision should be used in the first place; you do not account for accumulated precision errors; you do not account for why the Earth's orbit is significant, but those of other celestial bodies are not; you cannot explain adequately why you ascribe physical meaning to the Gregorian calendar. All of these things tell me - tell any impartial observer - that your "system" has no physical meaning whatsoever.
Dutch said:
Any event can be put into perspective indeed, if one would have a complete understanding of ALL underlying Design in our reality. I don't think that's possible for the human mind, do you? However, this material is based on events that take place at macrolevel and the subconscious mind seems to be able to tune in. There are so many coincidences that occur on identified future dates that it really should make you think.
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I think it's quite possible for the human mind to make associations out of coincidences. It's how we're wired. It's why all pseudosciences like homeopathy and astrology seem to "work"; it's why HDD has meaning to you.
(regarding transit of Earth as seen from Saturn)
Dutch said:
Besides the fact that is was indeed correct as Molinaro already said, there something interesting about this Huygens descent too.
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Why exactly is a transit of Earth as seen from Saturn significant? Why is it significant and the next one (in 2020), or the previous one, not significant? Why is any one more significant than any transit as seen from any planet?
Dutch said:
The others are equally significant but they didn't pop up on the specific timecoded patterns that were monitored. These other fly by should have a closer look in order to try to identify the underlying Design if one would like to do that
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If all events are significant, than HDD has no predictive value since any such event - a spacecraft flyby, a transit of any body as seen from any other body, a launch, etc. - can be evaluated as "significant" without reference to HDD. Doesn't that tell you something?

Bonus question: Doesn't it tell you something that you are already sure you can score an HDD hit for an event on any date? There's no surer sign of a "system" which is disconnected from objective reality.
Dutch said:
just to make clear what the use of some words actually mean. When I use significant than I mean that the event could be considered to be a confirmation of the hidden underlying Design
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An event is "significant" if it matches up with HDD. Then, if it does not match up with HDD, it is not significant. This the very definition of cherry-picking; how you cannot see this indicates clearly how wedded you are to your notions and how unwilling you are to think rationally about them.
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Apparently, for you its just an Earthquake causing a nuclear leak in Japan, a coincidence
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The earthquake was the proximate cause of the leak. Explain exactly why this leak was significant and other minor leaks are not. Oh, never mind, we already know the drill.
Dutch said:
For me it was a confirmation of the hidden underlying design as described in the HDDesign material as I was expecting a Nagasaki echo for that day, directly calculated from August 9, 1945 to july 15, 2007 ( +/- 1 day). Already published in 2004 and put on the timeline months before this event took place. Do you know a better way to express an echo without dropping another fat boy in Japan?
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A leak of three smoke detectors' worth of radiation is an "echo"? What about the radon escaping from the ground in Japan that day? Or the day before? Or the day after? What about the ionizing radiation from the Sun that day?

Besides, over 62 years you accumulated roughly 15 days' worth of error due to your invalid assumption of a year being 365 days. It's not, and that's why we have leap days every four years. So your interval calculations are wrong as well as meaningless.
(regarding coal-fired power plant emissions, far larger than the 7/15/07 leak)
Dutch said:
I don't see how this could be seen as a Nagasaki echo on the expected predetermined date
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Of course not, because it doesn't fit your preconceptions. But it's physically far more meaningful - by many orders of magnitude - than the tiny release from the plant. The fact that you disregard it is another big sign - in ten-foot-tall, glowing neon letters - that your "system" is disconnected from physical reality.
Dutch said:
I think you don't understand what I mean.
Its not the question if we would be able to use nuclear power, but if we should. I mean the atomic bombs on Hirhoshima and Nagasaki did their work as designed, the question is if we should have done that.
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No, I understand perfectly what you mean - you intend to redefine the word "successful" to mean something entirely different. You're backpedaling and waving your hands because your "two major themes", "stay out of space" and "don't mess with nuclear power", were refuted by ongoing success in space - especially a 100% successful rate of U.S. nuclear power in space. You even tried to redefine the phrase "nuclear power" to mean something nobody else uses! Did you really think nobody would notice?
Dutch said:
My understanding of this HDDesign made me think that there's somekind of message in related events in order to make us understand not to misuse this nuclear power again,
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Meaningless. Nuclear detonations in space have been banned since 1963.
Dutch said:
especially when we have to deal with the carmic issues of past nuclear evnts in our current and future timeframes. The high altitude nuclear detonations with effect in space were not a wise thing to do, given the fact that both shuttle disasters are intelligently linked to these nuclear tests in space.
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Flat-out fabrication. They are not intelligently linked; they are not linked at all; you've simply asserted the association and claimed it was true.
Dutch said:
again you are wrong. I have already posted about the explore IV and Operation Argus in 1958. The Golden Mean Phi spiral originated from this very moment connecting both shuttle disasters
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No, I am inarguably right: I pointed out that the last nuclear detonation in space was twenty-four years before the Challenger accident. That is a fact.

By the way, in 24 years, you accumulated a round-off error of about six days. So much for "+/- 1 day".
Dutch said:
That's your opinion and I agree with you that almost everyone will agree with you ( maybe all but 1:)). However, the HDDesign shows differently. Popping up instantly unveiling its profound connectedness, at least to me...again. Be aware of the fact that expectations for specific future dates are already mentioned on the timelines. Let's see what happens on that day, I will make sure you won't miss it
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Don't bother.

HDD is meaningless. It's based on astrology and numerology and a thoroughly solipsistic worldview. Its assumptions are faulty and its underlying structure simply dreamed up out of whole cloth. Its math is wrong. It literally cannot distinguish what is "significant" from what is not. It makes no useful predictions. It ignores physical processes which are enormously more significant than its claimed "hits", and for the love o' Pete, it ascribes physical significance to newspaper byline dates!

Like I said, Dutch, don't bother posting anything for my sake. I'm done here. No offense intended - really - but nothing anyone can say can get through to you, and I've already wasted enough time debunking this gibberish. Enjoy your hobby.
 
Excellent post, sts60. (I'm sure it made great sense to everyone except Dutch, poor man.) Thanks immensely for your contribution to this thread.

sts60 said:
[...] and for the love o' Pete, it ascribes physical significance to newspaper byline dates!
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:newlol That made me LOL for real. Too true.

Thanks again.
 
Paul said:
High in the atmosphere still isn't in space, as in "There has not been a nuclear detonation in space since 1962" from the original post.
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Paul.......it doesn't matter..........its about nuclear tests.....in cooperation with Explorer IV in space especially for these test. That's the expression of the main underlying theme
 
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