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Where can I go?
Does anyone know of a Christian site where you can ask the hard questions and get some sort of answer without being booted out?
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I haven't read much on their forums, but the SCM (Student Christian Movement) are one of the groups more open to questioning. When I was at university, they were the opposite of the intolerant Christian Union.
http://www.movement.org.uk/index.cfm?method=forum.home |
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Thanks for the link Professor. I took some time to read the posts from that forum, to get the lay of the land so to speak. They seem to be an open minded group, one that would'nt mind a bit of back and forth banter so I joined up. Here is a copy of my first post...
" Hello everyone. First time poster here. I am a bit off my beaten path, in that I am an atheist on a Christian forum. I was wondering if you would like to get to know me. I don’t pretend to speak for anyone else than myself and I am not a paying member of any organization. I would welcome your questions and I will try to answer them as honestly and as straight forward as I can. A bit of my history... I am sixty years old, retired, and have been married most of my life (38 years) to a wonderful, devout Roman Catholic. I have two children (girl and boy) and my daughter has recently given my wife and I a fabulous, wonderful, perfect, bouncing, chubby little girl! I sometimes lean toward humour (I take very little in this life seriously) but will attempt to conduct myself in a fitting manner. Jimmygun " I posted yesterday around 6:30-7:00pm but so far nothing but the sound of one hand clapping. I will post any replies here if and when they come. |
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Actually, after a proper look at it, I don't anticipate you will get many replies. It seems a very quiet forum with posts few and far between.
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Hi Jimmy, a good question. I have looked for the same. I would advise you to try your luck at some Christian sites based in the United Kingdom domain instead of the USA. Maybe it's just my bias but I found them open for discussion. I admit I know little about USA Christians, and most I hear is very negative so that is the basis of my prejudice.
I just did a Google search on 'Christianity forum' and as country only sites in Uk' (you still get a lot of chaff, so among the results that turn up you must browse a bit to find something you look for. Some seem just to be places where Christians pat each ther on the back, but you should be able to find people open for discussion) |
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Also "Christian" is a very broad term. Any particular flavor of Christianity that interests you? On some issues, the differences can be stark.
As has been mentioned, you should probably approach a priest, minister or other representative of the kind of Christianity you're interested in. |
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I sincerely would like to see if someone out there has a different take on their religion or if they are all the same. I am interested in how and why someone came to religion and how and why they feel they benifit. At the same time I am outing myself in the hopes that some group of people will get to know the atheist side of me. There is so much propaganda and misinformation about atheism that I thought I might present a 'get to know an atheist' venue. As I said, I don't speak for anyone but myself but in doing so, with others, I think I have given something to think about. I am not out to convert.
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Ahhh, ask some good questions, like, if the human gains a soul at the moment of conception, where does the extra soul go when the two embryos merge?
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Would you risk yourself?
From my personal experience, if you just pick up your car and roam through the country, you'll find different religious experience on the same groups of religious people. I'm catholic born, atheist, then wicca, then I thought again (thousands of times) and decided to prove stuff, hence, skeptic. I know, in the church, priests who support condom, ex-priests who campaign for priest marriage, people who believe it ain't a sin to have pre-marital sex and people who think all of that above is hideous, depending from where they come from, mostly (education helps out a lot). And since most of the people I know who love the church are literate but have never read and studied the bible, their opinion on the prophets and the role of each piece in god's chess board varies an AWESOME lot. You'll get confused. Can the sperm be frozen? Is the vacuum real? Are there other dimensions? If your dog dies, does he go to heaven too? What if your brain is implanted on a robot, then, and then you die on a combat, are you already in heaven when your body and heart failed or when the robot was destroyed? What is best, scientology or faith healing? Both? Who wins the next quiddich cup? Why is the sky blue? Why can't we see ghosts? Why can't the pope bang? Why is hereditary power still looked at as rightful if often your son hates what you do and is good at something completely different altogether? Why do people prefer ferraris to lamborghinis? Why do Michael Schumacher wins better than Ayrton Senna, and still, Ayrton Senna is worshipped a ton more? Why has Hitler killed a heckload of people and there are some people who deny the holocaust? Why George Bush was re-elected? Why... and so on? |
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A horny priest.
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Nah, really, I wouldn't say that. I mean they are only humans after all and should be able to be as horny as all the rest us. A priest who directs that horniness to minors, or to anyone else who has expressed a wish not to be the subject of said horniness though - that is a disturbing priest.
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He's 38 not 3-8 years old.
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No, they're holy and blessed by the bible teachings. Nothing should shake their beliefs! They're the true blessed. INRI Christ said that his sexuality was removed by his father when the true gawd told him to bow down in prayer, and he sent the orgasm through his vertebrae. True story. Google for Inri Christ. In Portuguese, I'm afraid. Priests should have that power too, they can't falter into taking hare of their sheep.
Horny priest. Pfeh! Preposterous. |
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Well, but we, the more sensible people, know that this is all total crap, right? And of course they are all hypocritical about it, but since horniness is such a strong force
![]() ![]() Besides, not all branches of Christianity interprets this quite the same way. Not all demands total abstinence for priests. As a side note, the priest in our little village here was married with, I think, five kids, but his horniness told him that running away with the male organ player was a good idea. I did feel bad for his wife and kids, but can't help smiling at the shock of the little old church ladies who thought it was much worse that he came out of the closet than that he was cheating on his wife ![]() |
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If you really want some fun, go on a Christain forum and ask if any of them knew anybody who was "raptured" last week?
And then swear that your saintly mother/grandma was taken right before your eyes, and by the way when does the tribulation start. |
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Where can I go?
The answer seemed rather obvious to me. Perhaps not.
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Well, I'm on their board and they have invited me to ask questions but my second question has gone unanswered since Sept 9th. They never said they would answer these questions, only that they invited me to ask them.
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Even Christians have fun with some of the "Rapture-Ready" crowd:
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Are you interested in quizing the christians because your wife is christian or because deep inside you feel, that of all the religions, christianity has the best chance of being real? Why not quiz the wiccas or buddhists?
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Your statements make me laugh. I didn't realise I go around denouncing reality. Silly me.
shipoffools has good traffic with a range of Protestants, Catholics, Orthodox and Fundamental to Liberal Christianities. There are a number of atheist and agnostic members so you wouldn't exactly be a novelty and neither would any of your questions be. If you wish to dialogue, though, it is a good place to go. Actually just lurking and reading would help you discover there are no taboo questions. I am a member there myself. |
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My point is to understand the Christian community better, to not be bigotted in my outlook. I know there are every possible types of Christians, the ones I deal with mostly are right and far right. If that was all there was to Christianity then my bigotted outlook would be justified, but I don't think that is the case, that there are moderates out there that I would like to converse with.
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I hope to gain insight into the thought process (or lack thereof) of different groups of 'Christian' believers. In my opinion (based on observations of the real world) there is no god, no afterlife etc. At the same time, for instance, I like a certain type of music, can explain why and like to hear from others as to why they like other types of music. I don't have to agree with them, I just want to hear what they have to say.
I was hoping to find a sight where Christians would try to answer my questions as honestly as they could, in a straight forward manner. I started by introducing myself and asking if anyone there had any questions of an atheist, promising to answer in the same manner. I have been disappointed again with the Student Christian Movement site, it seems they are willing to have the questions asked but not willing to answer. They are very slow to be honest but I have not gotten an answer from Joe_nag since Sept. 9, though he is still active on other threads. http://www.movement.org.uk/index.cfm...umthreadid=526 |
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