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Does procreation offer proof that; "life abuses entropy"?


Meaning if a living thing divides itself (give a cell (sperm/egg for example) to live into the next generation, is that life avoiding simple equlibration?


IS the life of that mass (the energy) furthering?

The analogy in question is; if all of the life of mankind began as a single celled critter some time back and has lived, divided and evolved over time, has that life ever equlibrated as an entity 'life itself'?

I see the life as like the 'fire' within a molecular set of reactions, consuming, exchanging within its environment. SO when a life procreates that set of processes are simply furthing into the next generation; starting over but still in process.

And the evidence could be that life as a whole upon this earth has proved itself resilliant and surviving beyond the 'extinctions'.

Does this make sense?

And if not, please explain.
 
I can't really discuss this unless you clarify your meaning. There's nothing to debate.
 
Bishadi said:
Does this make sense?
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As usual with your posts, no. It does not make sense. Is there someone with a better grasp of English who could help you post your questions? At the moment, you're posting nonsensical mish-mashes of words and concepts.
 
Nothing is impossible for those who do not know what they are talking about.
 
Bishadi said:
Does procreation offer proof
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Don't know: never asked it


that; "life abuses entropy"?
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Well it said that entropy enjoyed it but I can't be sure: why not ask for a police disclosure: that is how we usually judge, I think


Meaning if a living thing divides itself (give a cell (sperm/egg for example) to live into the next generation, is that life avoiding simple equlibration?
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I do not know, but I have the impression that life is reasonably responsible about the consequences of its actions. Course some life is probably mendacious but I don't like to stereotype in this way


IS the life of that mass (the energy) furthering?
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No, almost certainly not: Furthering is not that kind of word: it needs something on the end or its life is meaningless

The analogy in question is; if all of the life of mankind began as a single celled critter some time back and has lived, divided and evolved over time, has that life ever equlibrated as an entity 'life itself'?
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I have heard the phrase "life itself": but usually only in bad sci fi and horror films. That kind of pompous ascription goes best with creepy music, I find: does this thread have a sound track?

I see the life as like the 'fire' within a molecular set of reactions, consuming, exchanging within its environment. SO when a life procreates that set of processes are simply furthing into the next generation; starting over but still in process.
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We don't usually talk of fire procreating: but I suppose we can if you like it. Do you think it better than "spreads" because it is longer? or do you like it for some other reason?

And the evidence could be that life as a whole upon this earth has proved itself resilliant and surviving beyond the 'extinctions'.
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Once you personify a thing you can do anything: except get your thought across clearly: that takes a bit more effort, perhaps
 
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Bishadi said:
Does procreation offer proof that; "life abuses entropy"?


Meaning if a living thing divides itself (give a cell (sperm/egg for example) to live into the next generation, is that life avoiding simple equlibration?


IS the life of that mass (the energy) furthering?

The analogy in question is; if all of the life of mankind began as a single celled critter some time back and has lived, divided and evolved over time, has that life ever equlibrated as an entity 'life itself'?

I see the life as like the 'fire' within a molecular set of reactions, consuming, exchanging within its environment. SO when a life procreates that set of processes are simply furthing into the next generation; starting over but still in process.

And the evidence could be that life as a whole upon this earth has proved itself resilliant and surviving beyond the 'extinctions'.

Does this make sense?

And if not, please explain.
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:notm

The second law of thermodynamics states that the entropy of an isolated system can never decrease.

The Earth is not an isolated system. Energy continually enters the system from a large ball of gas known as the Sun. This energy is ultimately what almost all life on Earth depends on. There are exceptions, but they also have to have an energy supply to power them, for example the ecosystems around hydrothermal vents on the sea bed.

None of this is any challenge to the second law of thermodynamics.
 
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Bishadi said:
Does procreation offer proof that; "life abuses entropy"?

Does this make sense?
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As some people have pointed out, no it does not make sense, and it's because you haven't made a clear argument by virtue of diction or idea (equlibration and furthing, both spelling errors, but the actual words don't explain anything anyway)

I'll speak to the first sentence because it is the only I could comprehend.

By "life abuses entropy", I'll assume you mean that "the processes of biology and life result in the decrease of entropy". Change in entropy >= 0 in a closed system. If your physical boundary is small enough, your system may exhibit the decrease of entropy, but that's because it's not closed. Refrigerators do this all the time, if you take the inside cavity as your boundary. Life does exhibit the characteristics of an ordered state, but it consumes energy to do so (just like the fridge). My over-simplified analogy is not very suitable for this, but I hope it explains how you could indeed have a system in which entropy is decreased (albeit on that is not closed, of course).

Your (incoherent) hypothesis requires a lot of explanation, clarification and a good dose of quantitative analysis. It's your turn.
 
It would help to know if this is just Universe contemplating or you think you have some aha! logic that disproves the for all practical purposes, proven evolution theory. It would save a lot of time if you stated your point before you rambled the basis of it.


BTW, if the logic contradicts the evidence, it is the logic that has failed. Evidence is inanimate and doesn't have the capability of being wrong.
 
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Bishadi said:
Does this make sense?
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No.

And if not, please explain.
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You've used what appear to be mostly words from the English language, but you've strung them together in unusual ways, the result of which makes them just combinations of symbols. Arguably it is not anything we could call communication. Definitively what you have written is gibberish.
 
It is certain that no system in the neighborhood of a star will find equilibrium within the lifetime of that star. This pretty well rules out said equilibrium everywhere except in the dark reaches between galaxies. That is to say, nearly all of space. Unless dark energy has thermodynamic aspects as yet unknown.
 
Bishadi said:
Does procreation offer proof that; "life abuses entropy"?
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No. Life doesn't violate the laws of entropy any more than my refrigerator does. The Earth's ecosystem is not a closed system. Energy is being added from sources like the sun and geothermal heat. Even individual organisms increase the entropy of their surroundings. Do you think a lion increases or decreases the entropy within the zebra population?
 
So with all the rules and education to be had may i assume, each of you are losers to your environment?


Are you alive?

ie.... do we identify you as a reduction to any system?

Are you capable of putting on a coat when you are cold?

I was interested to know what is the life of your mass? Are you of the intent of just being a waste of time?


To any physicist, perhaps try identifying the life of the mass as the subject within the environment and let me know how it comes out?

The good ones will know what this thread means!
 
Bishadi said:
The good ones will know what this thread means!
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The ones who can understand this haven't read this thread yet, as they haven't been let out of their padded rooms by the nice nurses for activity hour yet.
 
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The ones who can understand this haven't read this thread yet, as they haven't been let out of their padded rooms by the nice nurses for activity hour yet.
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Is that where you are now?

i mean, you are on this forum and i will bet you have no idea that you are alive and to this day, have no idea what you are.

The 'life' of mass is the specimen and that concept is as easy as comprehending the flame of a fire. (ie... the flame is not the intake and results but the process in action)
 
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