Ed Debunking Erik Lawyer of Firefighters for 9/11 Truth

WAFireman said:
I don't know Erik Lawyer but I am a signer of the petition at Firefighters For 9-11 Truth calling for a new investigation. If you go to the website, you can read Erik Laywer's reasoning why there is a problem with the official "investigation".

Without explaining everything in great detail, I can say the rules for investigation were not followed according to the NFPA (National Fire Protection Agency). All we are saying is, that there is enough evidence pointing to the need to test for accelerants in the collapse of WTC7. If the tests show no accelerants were present, great. We can tend to believe the official story. NIST did not even look for accelerants. An investigation needs to ask "Why?". This is kind of important.
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You should really look at the OP. I know this came from another thread, but it is certainly important.
 
leftysergeant said:
Do you realize what a rookie this makes you look? Accelerants? Well, freaking DUH! There were tons of accelerants used. Jet fuel at the Pentagon and diesel in WTC7. We saw the kerosene delivered to one of the towers on live TV. It was delivered by an aircraft flying at speeds that would deadline it on landing, had the religoous whackadoodle flying it ever intended to land safely.
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Hey, wait a minute.

Did anyone think to check for high-speed collisions?

Damn, I bet it's too late now!
 
WAFireman said:
I don't know Erik Lawyer but I am a signer of the petition at Firefighters For 9-11 Truth calling for a new investigation. If you go to the website, you can read Erik Laywer's reasoning why there is a problem with the official "investigation".

Without explaining everything in great detail, I can say the rules for investigation were not followed according to the NFPA (National Fire Protection Agency). All we are saying is, that there is enough evidence pointing to the need to test for accelerants in the collapse of WTC7. If the tests show no accelerants were present, great. We can tend to believe the official story. NIST did not even look for accelerants. An investigation needs to ask "Why?". This is kind of important.
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Dude...if you really are a fireman and signed up for this crap, then I'm ashamed to have met you.

Does your chief know that he hires ignorant people?
 
sabretooth47 said:
Dude...if you really are a fireman and signed up for this crap, then I'm ashamed to have met you.

Does your chief know that he hires ignorant people?
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On that note, I did in fact contact the Seattle FD, and yes, Erik does in fact have a job there, but they IMMEDIATLY said they do NOT under ANY circumstances, support his conclusions, and that they, as a department, disagree 100% with his conclusions.

I talked to him on the phone briefly, and I told him that he is a disgrace to the badge he wears. He didn't like that very much. At all actually.
 
aggle-rithm said:
Did anyone think to check for high-speed collisions?

Damn, I bet it's too late now!
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Actually, we lucked out on that one. It is one of the few things we can test with the old Mark I eyeball. Extracting the data from several hundred of them that were placed in advantageous points around the towers and the Pentagon, we have positive confirmation of high-speed collisions involving large aluminum objects full of some sort of liquid hydrocarbon.
 
triforcharity said:
On that note, I did in fact contact the Seattle FD, and yes, Erik does in fact have a job there, but they IMMEDIATLY said they do NOT under ANY circumstances, support his conclusions, and that they, as a department, disagree 100% with his conclusions.

I talked to him on the phone briefly, and I told him that he is a disgrace to the badge he wears. He didn't like that very much. At all actually.
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How did you get his phone number?
 
ABSOLUTELY a DISGRACE to the BADGE THEY WEAR

triforcharity said:
On that note, I did in fact contact the Seattle FD, and yes, Erik does in fact have a job there, but they IMMEDIATLY said they do NOT under ANY circumstances, support his conclusions, and that they, as a department, disagree 100% with his conclusions.

I talked to him on the phone briefly, and I told him that he is a disgrace to the badge he wears. He didn't like that very much. At all actually.
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Did you phone these NYC firemen or their chief yet ? Be sure to mention that you
were there at the WTC and saw everything on 911 so these men also are likewise
liars and a disgrace to the badge they wear.
Better yet, ask to talk to these firemen and tell them directly .
I'll bet they won't like it very much either.
Maybe a letter to the mayor and a phone call to their local newspaper will start the
discipline actions that result in the loss of pension or jobs of these disgraceful NYC firemen.
Got any friends on the NYC fire dept. ? See if you can instigate a "outraged fireman"
movement to get these disgraceful men what they deserve . BIC ?
Molten steel like a foundry- like lava from a volcano
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http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=5879201#post5879201

 
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Fonebone said:
Did you phone these NYC firemen or their chief yet ? Be sure to mention that you
were there at the WTC and saw everything on 911 so these men also are likewise
liars and a disgrace to the badge they wear.
Better yet, ask to talk to these firemen and tell them directly .
I'll bet they won't like it very much either.
Maybe a letter to the mayor and a phone call to their local newspaper will start the
discipline actions that result in the loss of pension or jobs of these disgraceful NYC firemen.
Got any friends on the NYC fire dept. ? See if you can instigate a "outraged fireman"
movement to get these disgraceful men what they deserve . BIC ?


http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=5879201#post5879201



If this post disappears members can find it in the JREF sewer.
NON members are prohibited from viewing the sceptic system.
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Have any of those firemen claimed that the WTC were brought down by controlled demolition as opposed to fire induced collapse (in the case of the Twin Towers combined with aircraft damage)? If not, why do you equate them with Erik Liar?
 
Before this molton steel nonsense gets debunked for the gazillionth time, let me ask you a question Fonebone.

Were these NYC firefighters part of an inside job or are they just helping to cover it up?
 
More disgraceful NYC firemen testimonies

uke2se said:
Have any of those firemen claimed that the WTC were brought down by controlled demolition as opposed to fire induced collapse (in the case of the Twin Towers combined with aircraft damage)? If not, why do you equate them with Erik Liar?
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Maybe they fear a pusillanimous bagopus will phone their chief.
Here are some NYC firefighter testimonies.
BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM
http://911lies.org/fire_fighters_911_wtc_tapes.html
Absolutely disgraceful !
Where do these firemen think they live ? AMERICA ?

You seem to believe mis-spelling words and names will intimidate truth-seekers.
How's that working out for you so far ?
 
Fonebone said:
Maybe they fear a pusillanimous bagopus will phone their chief.
Here are some NYC firefighter testimonies.
BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM
http://911lies.org/fire_fighters_911_wtc_tapes.html
Absolutely disgraceful !
Where do these firemen think they live ? AMERICA ?

You seem to believe mis-spelling words and names will intimidate truthtwoof-seekers.
How's that working out for you so far ?
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FYP.

Have any of those firemen claimed that the WTC were brought down by controlled demolition as opposed to fire induced collapse (in the case of the Twin Towers combined with aircraft damage)? If not, why do you equate them with Erik Liar?
 
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Oh God not the boom boom boom thing again.

What sound do you think would be made by floors falling on each other? Would it sound different from what was described?
 
Fonebone said:
Did you phone these NYC firemen or their chief yet ? Be sure to mention that you
were there at the WTC and saw everything on 911 so these men also are likewise
liars and a disgrace to the badge they wear.
Better yet, ask to talk to these firemen and tell them directly .
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Have you considered walking into a New York fire station and asking the firemen there whether they're deliberately covering up the murder of several hundred of their colleagues in order to keep their jobs? If so, let me advise you very strongly not to, because advocation of suicide would be a serious breach of the membership agreement.

Dave
 
Fonebone said:
Better yet, ask to talk to these firemen and tell them directly .
I'll bet they won't like it very much either.
Maybe a letter to the mayor and a phone call to their local newspaper will start the
discipline actions that result in the loss of pension or jobs of these disgraceful NYC firemen.
Got any friends on the NYC fire dept. ? See if you can instigate a "outraged fireman"
movement to get these disgraceful men what they deserve . BIC ?
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Stop that. You are making no sense.

Lawyer is a dumb rookie with utterly no experience in the crap he prattles on about. He is swallowing the swill dished up by Nazis, dimbulbs, lunatics and a dishonorably discharged piece of crap French intelligence officer who hates America.

Those fire fighters who described molten "steel" running like lava, may not have been describing actual steel. From what I can make of the video, they were describing something they saw under WTC 6, where we know, as an absolute fact, that hundreds of punds of lead and almost certainly a great amount of BRASS was melted in the fires. If they did not get a sample of it, this has to be dismissed as a mistake on their part.

And that idiot docent describing the "meteorite" which now resides in Hangar 17 is talking through his trousers. The steel in that object is clearly not evidence of molten steel. It is CONCRETE with rusted steel cemented between slabs. Pay attention. We've discussed that stupidity here several times already.

As for reports of "explosions" there is no verification that what they heard was not any of a multitude of things that are normal occurances ion large fires or the collapse of the south tower heard from inside the north tower or the floor slabs slamming together.

Learn something about fires and what happens there before you take that attitudse with actual fire fighters.
 
Dave Rogers said:
Have you considered walking into a New York fire station and asking the firemen there whether they're deliberately covering up the murder of several hundred of their colleagues in order to keep their jobs? If so, let me advise you very strongly not to, because advocation of suicide would be a serious breach of the membership agreement.

Dave
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LOL. That is hilarious Dave. I can only imagine the hell those FF's would bring to someone accusing them face to face of a cover up.
 
Travis said:
Oh God not the boom boom boom thing again.

What sound do you think would be made by floors falling on each other? Would it sound different from what was described?
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Clunkity-clunk?
 
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