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Old 4th August 2004, 05:06 PM   #161
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Internet discussion board?

Don't say something is impossible just because of a restriction of the medium.
Sure, what's stopping anyone. Or do you think this should be mandated?

More to the point though, regardless the medium, it's simply not practical if there are say 50,000 people running. There must be a threshhold test otherwise it's a complete and total joke. Can we agree to that much?
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Old 4th August 2004, 05:44 PM   #162
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..then why is Bush—a man whose deluded religiosity allows him to believe in things like the rapture and that stem-cell research is tantamount to murder despite the fact that real people are dying out there as a result of the prohibition of studying this new branch of medical science—unquestioned in his place in the discussion?
Can you provide the law or code section or governmental/presidential mandate that declares a prohibition on studying stem-cell research?
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More to the point though, regardless the medium, it's simply not practical if there are say 50,000 people running. There must be a threshhold test otherwise it's a complete and total joke. Can we agree to that much?
Upon reflection, if there is zero threshhold to run for president, 50k entries impresses me as an underestimate. It could be 10 times that.

How are we to evaluate 500,000 candidates?

Obviously the debate commission needs to have a threshhold. Anyone want to discuss the specifics of that threshhold? Or are we just playing make believe here?
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Anyone want to discuss the specifics of that threshhold?
I think we should first be familiarized with the current requirements. Do you know what they are or where to find them?
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Old 5th August 2004, 05:18 AM   #165
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But bank ownership in the Fed is mandatory (making it a government monopoly)...
False.


Once again you have no idea what you are talking about. Did you get this from your buddy Badnarik? Is he now a banking "expert" in addition to being a constitutional "expeert"?
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Old 5th August 2004, 05:22 AM   #166
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And then he freely and quickly admitted that he was wrong.
LOL! You are such a mark. Of course he admitted he was wrong. But the point Varwoche is making, and you are missing, is that for a time, even if only for a nanosecond, he actually believed it. And you want his finger on the button?
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Got a QUALITY anti-Kerry site? I'd love to read a good one.
Alas, no. And I find that particularly odd.
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Yes. It's a knee slapper.

Right now I'm in a bit of shock about the libertarians on the board.
It's a bit like discovering the follwers of Ghandi have formed their
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Alas, no. And I find that particularly odd.
Originally posted by varwoche
Yes. It's a knee slapper.

Right now I'm in a bit of shock about the libertarians on the board.
It's a bit like discovering the follwers of Ghandi have formed their
own militia.
Or that one of Gandhi's followers is ready to use a gun in order to preserve the principles of the party against traitors like Gandhi?
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But the point Varwoche is making, and you are missing, is that for a time, even if only for a nanosecond, he actually believed it. And you want his finger on the button?
So what, Bush and Kerry believe god is a skinny jew hippy who died by being nailed to a log. Do you want their finger(s) on the button?
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Alas, no. And I find that particularly odd.
There is a Kerryism section on Slate. I haven't looked at it myself so I can't speak for it's quality, but here it is:

http://www.slate.com/?querytext=kerr...ction=fulltext
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So what, Bush and Kerry believe god is a skinny jew hippy who died by being nailed to a log. Do you want their finger(s) on the button?
Heck, they probably even believe that what the Federal Reserve prints is real money...
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Heck, they probably even believe that what the Federal Reserve prints is real money...
The Federal Reserve doesn't print money. Sorry to keep embarassing you.
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So what, Bush and Kerry believe god is a skinny jew hippy who died by being nailed to a log. Do you want their finger(s) on the button?
Ah Tony, I rarely agree with what you say, but this was truly funny.
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So what, Bush and Kerry believe god is a skinny jew hippy who died by being nailed to a log. Do you want their finger(s) on the button?
Amazingly the country has survived 43 such men, and the only one who thought someone had seceded was actually CORRECT.

I'll take those 43 against your Mulder-wannabe any day.
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The Federal Reserve doesn't print money. Sorry to keep embarassing you.
You know absolutely nothing, do you? The Federal Reserve prints ALL of the paper legal tender in the US—why do you think it says "Federal Reserve Note" on all of them? Oh, you're probably going to be an @$$hole and say that they're really printed by the BEP...but they're printed by the BEP for the Fed! The Fed commissions the printing and the money is delivered to the Fed.

What a troll...
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Heck, they probably even believe that what the Federal Reserve prints is real money...
I don't know. What do you call that fungible stuff that people trade for goods and services at a negotiated rate, accepted by any and all?

I think your concept of real has you in a religeous tizzy. If it really does function as money, it is money.
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You know absolutely nothing, do you? The Federal Reserve prints ALL of the paper legal tender in the US—why do you think it says "Federal Reserve Note" on all of them? Oh, you're probably going to be an @$$hole and say that they're really printed by the BEP...but they're printed by the BEP for the Fed! The Fed commissions the printing and the money is delivered to the Fed.

What a troll...
Go into any Fed and ask to see the printing press. They will laugh at you like everyone else does.
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I don't know. What do you call that fungible stuff that people trade for goods and services at a negotiated rate, accepted by any and all?

I think your concept of real has you in a religeous tizzy. If it really does function as money, it is money.
In case you haven't noticed, shanek isn't the brightest bulb in the box.
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In case you haven't noticed, shanek isn't the brightest bulb in the box.
Yeah, I noticed. But that's not his biggest problem. It's his true-believer zeal that makes him an idiot par excellence.
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Yeah, I noticed. But that's not his biggest problem. It's his true-believer zeal that makes him an idiot par excellence.
This is a trait that delusional, conspiracy believing, loonies have in common.
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I don't know. What do you call that fungible stuff that people trade for goods and services at a negotiated rate, accepted by any and all?
Real money. As opposed to Federal Reserve money, which is valueless stuff that people are forced to trade for goods and services at a rate set by the government's spendthrifty ways, printing up so much it devalues the currency and makes prices higher for all of the rest of us.
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Go into any Fed and ask to see the printing press. They will laugh at you like everyone else does.
Go to any CD label and ask to see the glass master machines. They'll laugh at you. That doesn't mean that they don't print CDs.

As a corollary, the Liberty Dollar is managed by NORFED. They obtain the silver, set the value, determine how much should be struck, put it into circulation, etc. But the actual physical Liberty Dollars themselves are struck by Sunshine Minting. So, I guess by your argument, NORFED doesn't make the Liberty Dollar.

Thank you for once again showing everyone here how desperate and pathetic you are.
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This is a trait that delusional, conspiracy believing, loonies have in common.
I challenge you to produce ONE conspiracy theory I "believe."
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I challenge you to produce ONE conspiracy theory I "believe."
Banks are "forced" to belong to the Federal Reserve. Care for me to list more?
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Go to any CD label and ask to see the glass master machines. They'll laugh at you. That doesn't mean that they don't print CDs.

As a corollary, the Liberty Dollar is managed by NORFED. They obtain the silver, set the value, determine how much should be struck, put it into circulation, etc. But the actual physical Liberty Dollars themselves are struck by Sunshine Minting. So, I guess by your argument, NORFED doesn't make the Liberty Dollar.

Thank you for once again showing everyone here how desperate and pathetic you are.
Thanks for showing everyone, once again, what an embarassing mark you are. Have you "invested" in these Liberty coins? Do you keep them buried in the back yard of your trailer?
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Banks are "forced" to belong to the Federal Reserve.
How is that a conspiracy theory? It's the truth, and no one's even trying to hide it. To run a bank, the bank has to be associated with its district bank of the Federal Reserve. By government mandate. In other words, by force. They're forced to apply by the Fed's rules, including reserve requirements and the Discount Rate. The Federal Reserve is also charged with enforcing banking regulations, so if you have a complaint about your bank, the Fed is who you go to. Additionally, these member banks jointly own their district bank, and the district banks own the Fed.

So, how is this a conspiracy theory?

I certainly hope you have other "conspiracy theories" I believe in that aren't directly acknowledged by the people involved.
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Thanks for showing everyone, once again, what an embarassing mark you are. Have you "invested" in these Liberty coins? Do you keep them buried in the back yard of your trailer?
Nice way to avoid the question...and an ad hominem, too!

And what exactly is wrong, by the way, with investing in silver coins? Have you seen what the price of silver is doing this year? What about all of the commemorative silver coins struck by the US Mint? Are they only sold to "embarassing marks" too? What about Ithica Hours?
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How is that a conspiracy theory? It's the truth, and no one's even trying to hide it. To run a bank, the bank has to be associated with its district bank of the Federal Reserve. By government mandate. In other words, by force. They're forced to apply by the Fed's rules, including reserve requirements and the Discount Rate. The Federal Reserve is also charged with enforcing banking regulations, so if you have a complaint about your bank, the Fed is who you go to. Additionally, these member banks jointly own their district bank, and the district banks own the Fed.

So, how is this a conspiracy theory?

I certainly hope you have other "conspiracy theories" I believe in that aren't directly acknowledged by the people involved.
False.

Repeating something doesn't make it true.
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False.

Repeating something doesn't make it true.
Right, so repeating that what I said is false doesn't make your claim of falsehood true. Whereas everything I've said is actually how the actual Federal Reserve is actually structured.

Okay, let's try it this way: if it's a conspiracy theory, then who am I claiming are the conspirators? And what am I claiming is being covered up? I would say that, as a minimum, those two criteria are necessary to constitute a conspiracy theory. So, let's have it. How is my claim a conspiracy theory?
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Nice way to avoid the question...and an ad hominem, too!

And what exactly is wrong, by the way, with investing in silver coins? Have you seen what the price of silver is doing this year? What about all of the commemorative silver coins struck by the US Mint? Are they only sold to "embarassing marks" too? What about Ithica Hours?
I have no interest in what the price of silver is doing this year. The discussion was about real money.

Do you buy the "collectable" coins distributed by the Franklin Mint?
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Right, so repeating that what I said is false doesn't make your claim of falsehood true. Whereas everything I've said is actually how the actual Federal Reserve is actually structured.

Okay, let's try it this way: if it's a conspiracy theory, then who am I claiming are the conspirators? And what am I claiming is being covered up? I would say that, as a minimum, those two criteria are necessary to constitute a conspiracy theory. So, let's have it. How is my claim a conspiracy theory?
False again. You have no idea how the Federal Reserve is structured. Just admit it. Can you provide a link that says a bank is "forced" to join the Federal Reserve?
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I have no interest in what the price of silver is doing this year. The discussion was about real money.
The fact that you can put those two sentences together shows how ignorant you really are. The value of silver is what makes it real money. It's a store of value, and it's at least somewhat difficult to make.
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False again. You have no idea how the Federal Reserve is structured.
Enlighten us all, then: how do YOU claim it's structured?
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Enlighten us all, then: how do YOU claim it's structured?
Come on Mark, you're the one that made the claim that banks were "forced" to join. Can you not back that claim up with evidence?
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The fact that you can put those two sentences together shows how ignorant you really are. The value of silver is what makes it real money. It's a store of value, and it's at least somewhat difficult to make.
So do you buy the coins issued by the Franlin Mint?
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Scrut, stop evading and answer the questions. I have answered all of yours.
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Scrut, stop evading and answer the questions. I have answered all of yours.
You have not provided evidence that all banks are "forced" to join the Federal Reserve.


Tick...tick...tick....tick....
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The value of silver is what makes it real money. It's a store of value, and it's at least somewhat difficult to make.
Other than it being difficult to make[sic], what gives silver its value?
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CS, I really don't think he wants to discuss the federal reserve anymore. Let's see if he'll clarify this statement:



Other than it being difficult to make[sic], what gives silver its value?
You're right of course. But I wouldn't expect an answer to your question either.
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Old 7th August 2004, 02:08 PM   #200
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Other than it being difficult to make[sic], what gives silver its value?
That's pretty much it...being difficult to obtain, and being useful for stuff. That's what a commodity is. Money that has no value really isn't money at all; we're forced to value Fed money at the point of a gun.
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