Chemical Engineer Mark Basile confirms Harrit nano-thermite results

And what peer-review process has any of the government's so-called 'investigations' been subjected to? None. NIST wont even share the parameters they entered to create their WTC7 black box computer models (who ever heard of such a thing?) Despite whatever unrealistic tweaks they used (like removing the conduction of heat for example), they still could not get their model to mimic what actually occurred!
You don't understand the models anyway, you can't use the input data, you don't do science. An engineer can model WTC7 without NIST data - why can't you? Big failure on this point, it means nothing except you are anti-science.

The Harrit paper (Active Thermitic Material Found...)is an actual peer-reviewed scientific paper. You can attack the journal and the authors, or the peer-review process it underwent, all you want. (This is what is done in lieu of a real argument) I haven't seen anything anywhere (in any peer-reviewed scientific journal that has refuted it findings,.
Have you?
The Jones/Harrit paper is a joke. Jones made up thermite out of thin air, it is evidence of insanity at best. Jones thinks the United States caused the earthquake in Haiti, and he made up thermite. He fooled you. In the paper, they prove it was not thermite. The heat released in their samples do not match thermite. oops

Jet fuel has over 10 times the heat energy of thermite! oops

Office fires on 911 were equal in heat energy to more than 2,100 TONS of thermite for each tower! No thermite required! You believe in fantasy lies made up by insane conspiracy theorists on 911.

It would be on thing if there were one or two strange anomalies, but when you look at the whole issue and see so many different strands of evidence all pointing in the same direction, it becomes impossible to avoid the only logical conclusion: that explosives were involved.
There are no anomalies on 911, only ignorance and lies on your part. You sure are gullible on 911 issues.
Can't wait for you to get to Flight 77 and 93, what crazy claims do you have on the other half of 911!?

How many tons of thermite was used? Got math, got physics, got some rational facts and evidence? no
 
And what peer-review process has any of the government's so-called 'investigations' been subjected to? None.
Incorrect. A draft was published for review by everyone. Critiques were sent in by many, and worked into the final report.

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The Harrit paper (Active Thermitic Material Found...)is an actual peer-reviewed scientific paper.
Incorrect. It was reviewed by friends of Harrit and co. who are even ascknowledged as contributing to the paper. The Editor in Chief was not involved in the peer review process, didn't even know about it and that the paper was approved for publishing. She promptly stepped down, citring the very lack of proper peer review process as the reason.

You can attack the journal and the authors, or the peer-review process it underwent, all you want. (This is what is done in lieu of a real argument)
Incorrect. It is not in lieu of an argument but actally addressing the very argumentm, when YOUR (truthers') argument before ours is the FALSE claim that it was published in a peer-reviewed journal. It wasn't.

I haven't seen anything anywhere (in any peer-reviewed scientific journal that has refuted it findings,.
Have you?
We have seen the paper. It doesn't warrant a published refutation. Everybody with half a brain and 2 years of chemistry in school should easily find several errors and shortcomnings upon first reading.

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Actually, Marc Basile's work contains a good refutation of the claim that the chips are thermitic in nature:
Basile_39_30_Chip13_XEDS.jpg

Look closely: The red layer contains only around 1.5% by weight aluminium and around 2.2% iron. If you throw in some oxygene for a hypothetical perfectly stochiastic thermite mix, you find that the red layer contains at most 5% thermite by weight. This means that the energy density provided by the thermite is at most 5% of 3.9kJ/g, or <=195J/g. If you crunch numbers on heat capacity etc., you will find that this isn't even enough to warm the red material enough to keep a reaction going, let alone melt anything.
Thus, Basile proves the chips are nit active thermitic material.

If you don't understand what I told you in the previous paragraph, you are intellecually inequipped to participate in a discussion of the scientifc merits of Harrit e.al.
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However, I have a question for you, atavism: What will you do, when one or two articled are published in actual and respected peer-reviewed journals of the proper and relevant scientific proveniences that clearly find Harrot e.al. in error? Will you then accept that maybve there is something wrong with their findings?
 
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And what peer-review process has any of the government's so-called 'investigations' been subjected to? None. NIST wont even share the parameters they entered to create their WTC7 black box computer models (who ever heard of such a thing?) Despite whatever unrealistic tweaks they used (like removing the conduction of heat for example), they still could not get their model to mimic what actually occurred!

The Harrit paper (Active Thermitic Material Found...)is an actual peer-reviewed scientific paper. You can attack the journal and the authors, or the peer-review process it underwent, all you want. (This is what is done in lieu of a real argument) I haven't seen anything anywhere (in any peer-reviewed scientific journal that has refuted it findings,.
Have you?

It would be on thing if there were one or two strange anomalies, but when you look at the whole issue and see so many different strands of evidence all pointing in the same direction, it becomes impossible to avoid the only logical conclusion: that explosives were involved.


Did you realize that you wrote the highlighted portions in the same post?
 
Did you realize that you wrote the highlighted portions in the same post?

That's a truther technique called "Pre-Moving Goalposts". Now that I have a name for it, I'll look for more examples. I think it can be executed more skillfully than atavism just did.


It is in its pathos not quite on par though with a professor of micro economics whose class I once attended. He often wrote things on the blackboard that he had to wipe out a minute later because it somehow wasn't right. The best moment was when, before we could even complain, he started wiping out a line with his left hand that his right hand was still busy writing. A major trick of motoric coordination! :D
 
The Harrit paper (Active Thermitic Material Found...)is an actual peer-reviewed scientific paper. You can attack the journal and the authors, or the peer-review process it underwent, all you want. (This is what is done in lieu of a real argument) I haven't seen anything anywhere (in any peer-reviewed scientific journal that has refuted it findings,.
Have you?

Stay tuned for a JREF-forumite-funded research project refuting the vanity-published Jones/Harrit blather.

By most definitions, Jones/Harrit fails to meet standards for peer review.
 
And what peer-review process has any of the government's so-called 'investigations' been subjected to? None.

Wrong. Anyone who takes the 3 secs to google "NIST peer review" knows it was. But then again, if it doesn't come from any of the pre-approved sources of "truth" it must not be correct.

Since 1959, the National Research Council (NRC) has assessed the technical merit, relevance, and quality of NIST's (previously NBS's) laboratory programs in the context of NIST's mission.

Several ongoing programs were reviewed by the panel...The investigation of the collapse of the World Trade
Center (WTC) had a major impact on the resources in the Structures Program over the past 6 years. The final report on WTC 1 and 2 has been issued,and the group is nearing completion of the report on Building No. 7.

[...]

The areas of WUI fires and the World Trade Center investigation were presented
to the panel in detail. These areas have had a clear and very positive focusing effect on
the BFRL, and the response of the entire BFRL organization has been admirable during
these investigations...

[...]

The BFRL continues to demonstrate a core competence in the Fire StrategicPriority Area, particularly in the design and execution of experiments and the consistent coupling of experiments to validate predictive, physics-based computational tools. The work on the World Trade Center investigation is a very strong indicator of the fundamental quality that the BFRL has and the value of the laboratory to the United States.
 
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A few months ago, a bunch of truthers pretended to have hearings, in Toronto.

I think the next step should be to pretend to arrest those neo-con perpetrators. Then you can pretend to try them for the crimes you pretend were committed based on the evidence you pretend to have. That should be sufficient to pretend to find them guilty and then pretend to hang them.

It won't be as satisfying as actually doing anything, but it's as much as your movement will ever be able to accomplish, so I see no reason to delay.

Respectfully,
Myriad

Absolutely non sencical
 
There was nothing pretend about the TH. It really happened. Kind of like the iron rich spheres that you Jretreds pretend are not there.
We don't pretend that they don't exist. We just feel that there is nothing about them that sugessts that they are thermite residues.

No, not the slightest indication.

The spheres look like they could have been on the steel when it was painted. We have several rational explanations for that.

Basille can light one of his chips up in a nitrogen atmosphere and shut us up or at least cause us to re-assess what we are saying, but it is probably beyond the mental capacity of such a gullible twit.

I think it takes a special kind of stupid to think there is anything unusual about the chips to begin with.
 
Not giving any expert witnesses for the "official story" any input is the very definition of a real trial in SLT's eyes.
 
There was nothing pretend about the TH. It really happened. Kind of like the iron rich spheres that you Jretreds pretend are not there.

Can you either

A) Link to a post where someone on JREF said the microspheres didn't exist

or

B) Apologize?


Oddly, I'm feeling the likelyhood of either happening are slim and none.
 
There was nothing pretend about the TH. It really happened. Kind of like the iron rich spheres that you Jretreds pretend are not there.

Where do you get off claiming that "we" say they aren't there? They are mentioned in official reports which is the very reports people like Steven Jones used to claim they existed in the first place. The difference is these reports say that these iron microspheres are expected. Apparently you dont know the difference between something that is expected vs not there at all. Quite a bit of difference, just so you know.
 
Not giving any expert witnesses for the "official story" any input is the very definition of a real trial in SLT's eyes.


They can't very well have those evil bastards confusing the issue with their "science" and "words", now can they?
 

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