Bigfoot DNA - Page 87

Tolls · 13th February 2013, 09:54 AM

Originally Posted by OntarioSquatch

... their legal counsel advised them not to publish a manuscript on such a controversial subject as it would destroy the editors’ reputations ...

Do legal types really advise against this sort of thing?
I find that really hard to believe that that sort of decision would fall anywhere other than with the editors, based on reviewer feedback.

StankApe · 13th February 2013, 09:57 AM

that's a publicists job, not a lawyers

BS ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Resume · 13th February 2013, 10:10 AM

Originally Posted by Tolls

Do legal types really advise against this sort of thing?
I find that really hard to believe that that sort of decision would fall anywhere other than with the editors, based on reviewer feedback.

It's either sour grapes or a complete fabrication, neither of which reflect well on Ms. Ketchum.

MikeG · 13th February 2013, 10:21 AM

Has anyone bought the actual paper? I'm rather hoping that Calwaterbear is leafing through it right now.

blue sock monkey · 13th February 2013, 10:24 AM

I'm betting Ketchum's report truly belongs in The Journal of Irreproducible Results. But rather than verify that hypothesis, I've decided to spend my $30 on a long-term supply of milk and Oreos--because, unlike Bigfoot, cows and non-hydrogenated vegetable oil actually exist.

CORed · 13th February 2013, 10:36 AM

Originally Posted by jerrywayne

Looks to be the equivalent:

Meldrum gets his magnum opus on sasquatch published not by
http://books.scientificamerican.com/sa-ebooks/landing/ , for instance, but by the folks here, http://www.tor.com/

It seems to me that a publisher of science fiction and fantasy is exactly the right place for Meldrum to publish.

It probably falls more in the realm of fantasy than that of science fiction.

CORed · 13th February 2013, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by StankApe

This has as much credibility as my releasing a press report claiming I am now a billionaire....

It's a complete farce! There's no science going on here!

Man I can't wait for calwaterbear to check this paper out and give us the lowdown!

I'm sure you are a millionaire, perhaps even a billionaire.

In Zimbabwe dollars.

StankApe · 13th February 2013, 10:51 AM

Originally Posted by CORed

I'm sure you are a millionaire, perhaps even a billionaire.

In Zimbabwe dollars.

at this very moment, in actual cash in my wallet. change bucket and savings account I have $9.58.........

$3,467 Zimbabwean dollars

DennyT · 13th February 2013, 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by LTC8K6

I think that when we finally get to read this paper, we will all know why it was only published in a recently created online journal...

And why it's $30 to buy a copy...

do you get a t-shirt with that? with a picture of a medicine dropper and some test tubes?

if you get put on the list of authors on a paper like this (think Carnival Triumph) is it good or bad that they spell your name wrong? 2nd author "Dr." Pat "Wojtkiecicz" is Pat Wojtkiewicz, and may not be a doctor; he does use that title at times, but the only documentation I find is when asked under oath, he testified that he had a master's degree in science from Northwestern State [Louisiana]. I suppose he may have gotten a Ph.D. later.

MikeG · 13th February 2013, 11:17 AM

Originally Posted by StankApe

at this very moment, in actual cash in my wallet. change bucket and savings account I have $9.58......... $3,467 Zimbabwean dollars

Sorry to disappoint you, but Zimbabwe has adopted the US dollar, and so the Zim dollar isn't legal tender there any more.

StankApe · 13th February 2013, 11:18 AM

well that's unfortunate ! I was enjoying my "thousandaire" status!

Drewbot · 13th February 2013, 11:20 AM

A comment from Ben Radford:
"I've read it, it's really, really funny."

calwaterbear · 13th February 2013, 11:31 AM

geeze, i knew this would happen, melbas spys informed her that I had a very busy day today, so it was time to release the hounds! Guys I have to administer 200 essay exams today, then guess what, I have to read them!

OK so I think we can and should go about this in a very systematic way, and many of you would be willing to pitch in a little of your time.

I suggest we start with the list of authors.
First thing we need to know is are all of the authors actually on board with this?

each should be contacted - IN A VERY POLITE WAY, either by email or phone. They should be asked 3 questions - VERY RESPECTFULLY,

1. are they aware they are listed as a co-author on this paper?

2. If so, can they tell you how they were involved? writing? analyzing the genome? preparing samples for sequencing? Doing the actual sequensing?

3. Do they realize the paper is claiming the existance of bigfoot, as a hibred human entity.

Thats it, no confrontation, no real followup (unless they want to talk, then you ought to listen closely).

I see that as step one of a very reasoned approach to examining this paper and it's extraordinary claims.

Going over and analyzing the data may take time, but first, lets examine the participation of the authors.
If anyone wants to tackle part of that, i guess just let me know, so we can divide up the work. We really do not need 15 people calling each and every one of them!
CWB

DennyT · 13th February 2013, 11:40 AM

what, do you think people would want to get off the Carnival Melba? I mean, look what they're getting for their money.

Drewbot · 13th February 2013, 11:47 AM

Allegedly Melba pulled the video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=khHSX3ZYaKI

It no longer works.

calwaterbear · 13th February 2013, 11:49 AM

this on line journal, and it is labled as a scientific journal" so it must be.
anyway it has some spectacular photos on the cover

http://www.denovojournal.com/#!journals/c10d6

anyone here have to ability and inclination to track down those images on the web, I suspect they will be stock photos fro sale by professional photographers, and the photographer would certainly be thrilled to hear from you complementing hi or her magnificent work displayed on the cover!
Unless of course the jornal neglected to pay for the images!

Jodie · 13th February 2013, 12:03 PM

When you click on the image info it says that they don't provide information for ownership of the image. But if you click on the HTMl for the image it says Wix , which lets you create your own free do it yourself web site. Probably a stock image from there.

It does say this in the Wix user agreement though:

dditional Prohibited Uses
In addition to all the above prohibitions, you agree that you will NOT knowingly use the Service, among other things, to:
(a) harm minors in any way;
(b) impersonate any person or entity, or falsely state or otherwise misrepresent your affiliation with a person or an entity;

Drewbot · 13th February 2013, 12:07 PM

The Kingfisher photo is from http://www.freedigitalphotos.net/ima...er_p72957.html

The Panda http://www.freedigitalphotos.net/ima...da_p43576.html

Note: They are not free, you have to attribute them. And pay for certain usage.

Gamolon · 13th February 2013, 12:41 PM

I like the very bottom of their web pages.

"© 2013 - all rights preserved."

calwaterbear · 13th February 2013, 12:54 PM

just to keep things organized, we have talked with Prychitco, and Wojtkiecicz.

Prychitco did some sequencing, is aware of the paper, but did no analysis or writing of the paper. He has a private lab, but they only do the old school sequensing - the sanger technologies.

Wojtkiecicz is aware of the paper, had not seen any recent versions, and had resized and reformatted some images for melba, who he has known for a long time. he also apparently worked on 4 or 5 samples, but could not get DNA from them, apparently he was using a kit that was specific to human. he has not seen anything since Melba went next gen .

We are currently efforting Bollinger, Watts, and Toler.

Still a few names to be checked on!

Thats where we stand right now!

aboman · 13th February 2013, 12:55 PM

I saw that, though I wonder who's rights are 'preserved', DeNovo or DeVono scientific publishing?

(not allowed to post pictures yet, sorry)
tinypic.com/r/2817ts8/6

StankApe · 13th February 2013, 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by Gamolon

I like the very bottom of their web pages.

"© 2013 - all rights preserved."

Kilaak Kommander · 13th February 2013, 01:35 PM

According to the whois records, the denovojournal.com domain was registered on February 4, 2013. Denovoscientificpublishing.com was registered February 11, 2013 and doesn't even have a website, just a Wix placeholder page. Both are private registrations so there's no contact information. Looks like this was a very recent idea. There are leftovers in my fridge that have been around longer than Denovo Journal.

calwaterbear · 13th February 2013, 01:39 PM

Ladies and gentlemen we have a celebrity Big time publisher of a true"scientific jornal" among us. Welcome Robin Lynn Pheifer, or whatever name you are using now.

Robin, now using the name :
Robin Haynes, was identified as Editor on the front cover of our brand newly created "Scientific Journal" De Novo. Congratulations on the birth of a new website, I believe the birthday was Feb 4th, of this year - correct?

So within 15 minutes of me mentioning it here at JREF, her name was removed from the front cover, and no names in contact us etc, it all seems to be gone! Thats a real shame Robin, you ought to be getting credit for all your hard work!

Lucky for you, when you google De Novo, one of the links is for contact us, and for whatever reason, your name appears there on the google link, even thought it has been scrubbed from the De Novo website.

for those of you coming late to this game, a very brief recap of who Robin Haynes, AKA pheifer, AKA Lynn etc etc is!
She is the woman in michigan with 10 bigfoots inhabitting her 10 acre michigan property. She routinely feeds then Blueberry Bagels, and went over to russia for burtsevs dog and pony show, which ended in her publically blasting Meldrum apparently because he was not willing to be hoaxed!

anyway, thanks for reading us Robin, you are always welcome here, just wish you wouldn't try to sneak around, thats totally beneath someone with the stature of a big time scientific journal editor, you ought to participate her to educate us!
CWB

StankApe · 13th February 2013, 01:42 PM

calwaterbear is the "House" of Bigfoot skeptics

DennyT · 13th February 2013, 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by parnassus

do you get a t-shirt with that? with a picture of a medicine dropper and some test tubes?

if you get put on the list of authors on a paper like this (think Carnival Triumph) is it good or bad that they spell your name wrong? 2nd author "Dr." Pat "Wojtkiecicz" is Pat Wojtkiewicz, and may not be a doctor; he does use that title at times, but the only documentation I find is when asked under oath, he testified that he had a master's degree in science from Northwestern State [Louisiana]. I suppose he may have gotten a Ph.D. later.

Looking under "Patrick," I did find evidence that he is a Ph.D at this point.

Drewbot · 13th February 2013, 01:59 PM

CALWATERBEAR, if you can get a screen shot of that google search turning up Robin, then up load it to imageshack, it would be preserved for all to see. I can't get it to come up

StankApe · 13th February 2013, 01:59 PM

I have so been trolling bigfoot evidence blog! the denial over there is actually BIGGER than the river in egypt!

idoubtit · 13th February 2013, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by StankApe

I have so been trolling bigfoot evidence blog! the denial over there is actually BIGGER than the river in egypt!

How so? I HATE that site.

Robin did provide many pro-Bigfoot writers with the press pass. Funny that.

StankApe · 13th February 2013, 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by idoubtit

How so? I HATE that site.

Robin did provide many pro-Bigfoot writers with the press pass. Funny that.

They are claiming that she was forced to do this because mean old science denied her out of hand without even reading her paper.

It's one big excuse machine over there right now. Nobody wants to admit that this was a big con from the start so the various stages of grief are in play...

idoubtit · 13th February 2013, 02:23 PM

Which is why I hate that site. Bunch of boneheads.

Did you notice how much of the paranormal bigfootery is all about having "FANS" and no critics? If you've ever been to a UFO Bigfoot Ghost conventions, it's disgusting fawning over celebrities. Skeptics make poor "fans".

calwaterbear · 13th February 2013, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by Drewbot

CALWATERBEAR, if you can get a screen shot of that google search turning up Robin, then up load it to imageshack, it would be preserved for all to see. I can't get it to come up

Yeah, i am getting smarter, before I went public i screen shotted it, as well as just cut and pasted the text. I have no idea how to use image shack, you want me to email you the image?

calwaterbear · 13th February 2013, 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by Drewbot

CALWATERBEAR, if you can get a screen shot of that google search turning up Robin, then up load it to imageshack, it would be preserved for all to see. I can't get it to come up

Yeah, i am getting smarter, before I went public i screen shotted it, as well as just cut and pasted the text. I have no idea how to use image shack, you want me to email you the image?
NOT SMART ENOUGH HOWEVER TO KEEP FROM DOUBLE POSTING! MAN i AM A GENIUS!

Resume · 13th February 2013, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by StankApe

I have so been trolling bigfoot evidence blog! the denial over there is actually BIGGER than the river in egypt!

I take it they want to serve up some crow.

xtifr · 13th February 2013, 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by OntarioSquatch

Some interesting info:

"We encountered the worst scientific bias in the peer review process in recent history. I am calling it the “Galileo Effect”.

Ah yes, the "Galileo Effect". Well known in the physics community. When someone comes up with a load of utter codswallop that violates everything we know about physics, and tries to insist that their pet theory is reality, and electrons really are just torus-shaped photons, or that gravity is really an illusion caused by electromagnetic attraction, they invariably compare themselves to Galileo when no reputable journal will touch their nonsense with a ten-foot pole.

Whatserface (sorry, I can't be bothered to remember the name of every nutjob on the Internet), the vet who wants to pretend she's a genetics expert, is well on the way to hitting every standard mark of crankhood known to science.

Resume · 13th February 2013, 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by idoubtit

Did you notice how much of the paranormal bigfootery is all about having "FANS" and no critics? If you've ever been to a UFO Bigfoot Ghost conventions, it's disgusting fawning over celebrities. Skeptics make poor "fans".

I witnessed an otherwise logical, level-headed (other than her paranormal beliefs) woman go absolutely gaga over Zak Bagans during a podcast. It was quite unsettling.

LuvGodzilla · 13th February 2013, 03:30 PM

I am not surprised or disappointed in the Melba situation. Several years ago I had blogged on her credibility based on a simple public search

She had none then, why would she have any now, once a con and all that jazz.

I did get a kick out of the video which I downloaded. He said 6 BPM. About right for a Black Bear which is 5-6 BPM, not that you can truly identify the blob in the bush. Here is a pic of a Cinnamon Black Bear that resembles the fluff in the brush.

jerrywayne · 13th February 2013, 03:32 PM

DeNovo or Gonzo?

"Galileo Effect" or Velikovsky Complex?

The Shrike · 13th February 2013, 03:40 PM

That website is pretty funny. It's been even funnier for me today than most because I've always had a personal translation of my own for the phrase "de novo". I know it means "anew", but a popular connotation of its use, especially as I've read in evolutionary biology, is more like "from nothing". Seems appropriate.

The BFF is running too slowly for me to bother waiting to see responses to the Ketchum thread there. Anyone more patient than I have anything to report?

TheJackal · 13th February 2013, 04:04 PM

This is absolutely hysterical. I for one can not wait for real scientists to shred her work. The only way this works out is if this was some long planned publicity stunt for a docu-drama movie like Blair Witch or The Fourth Kind. Otherwise, this is like watching a train wreck in extreme slow motion. The good news is that crows are currently safe from being ingested in large quantities.

13th February 2013, 09:57 AM	#3442
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13th February 2013, 10:24 AM	#3445
blue sock monkey Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 2,134	I'm betting Ketchum's report truly belongs in The Journal of Irreproducible Results. But rather than verify that hypothesis, I've decided to spend my $30 on a long-term supply of milk and Oreos--because, unlike Bigfoot, cows and non-hydrogenated vegetable oil actually exist.
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13th February 2013, 10:51 AM	#3448
StankApe Banned Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,628	Originally Posted by CORed I'm sure you are a millionaire, perhaps even a billionaire. In Zimbabwe dollars. at this very moment, in actual cash in my wallet. change bucket and savings account I have $9.58......... $3,467 Zimbabwean dollars
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13th February 2013, 11:09 AM	#3449
DennyT Illuminator Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Michigan Posts: 3,216	Originally Posted by LTC8K6 I think that when we finally get to read this paper, we will all know why it was only published in a recently created online journal... And why it's $30 to buy a copy... do you get a t-shirt with that? with a picture of a medicine dropper and some test tubes? if you get put on the list of authors on a paper like this (think Carnival Triumph) is it good or bad that they spell your name wrong? 2nd author "Dr." Pat "Wojtkiecicz" is Pat Wojtkiewicz, and may not be a doctor; he does use that title at times, but the only documentation I find is when asked under oath, he testified that he had a master's degree in science from Northwestern State [Louisiana]. I suppose he may have gotten a Ph.D. later.
	__________________ "Take the children, but LEAVE ME MY MONKEY!" --Dewey Cox, in "Walk Hard: the Dewey Cox Story." "The main skill of bigfoot investigators is finding ways to deny the obvious." --DFoot Last edited by DennyT; 13th February 2013 at 12:26 PM.

13th February 2013, 11:18 AM	#3451
StankApe Banned Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,628	well that's unfortunate ! I was enjoying my "thousandaire" status!
StankApe Banned Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,628

13th February 2013, 09:54 AM	#3441
Tolls Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: UK Posts: 5,229	Originally Posted by OntarioSquatch ... their legal counsel advised them not to publish a manuscript on such a controversial subject as it would destroy the editors’ reputations ... Do legal types really advise against this sort of thing? I find that really hard to believe that that sort of decision would fall anywhere other than with the editors, based on reviewer feedback.

13th February 2013, 10:10 AM	#3443
Resume Troublesome Passenger Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 21,751	Originally Posted by Tolls Do legal types really advise against this sort of thing? I find that really hard to believe that that sort of decision would fall anywhere other than with the editors, based on reviewer feedback. It's either sour grapes or a complete fabrication, neither of which reflect well on Ms. Ketchum.

13th February 2013, 10:21 AM	#3444
MikeG Now. Do it now. Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: UK Posts: 24,804	Has anyone bought the actual paper? I'm rather hoping that Calwaterbear is leafing through it right now.

13th February 2013, 10:36 AM	#3446
CORed Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Central City, Colorado, USA Posts: 10,589	Originally Posted by jerrywayne Looks to be the equivalent: Meldrum gets his magnum opus on sasquatch published not by http://books.scientificamerican.com/sa-ebooks/landing/ , for instance, but by the folks here, http://www.tor.com/ It seems to me that a publisher of science fiction and fantasy is exactly the right place for Meldrum to publish. It probably falls more in the realm of fantasy than that of science fiction.

13th February 2013, 10:38 AM	#3447
CORed Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Central City, Colorado, USA Posts: 10,589	Originally Posted by StankApe This has as much credibility as my releasing a press report claiming I am now a billionaire.... It's a complete farce! There's no science going on here! Man I can't wait for calwaterbear to check this paper out and give us the lowdown! I'm sure you are a millionaire, perhaps even a billionaire. In Zimbabwe dollars.

13th February 2013, 11:17 AM	#3450
MikeG Now. Do it now. Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: UK Posts: 24,804	Originally Posted by StankApe at this very moment, in actual cash in my wallet. change bucket and savings account I have $9.58......... $3,467 Zimbabwean dollars Sorry to disappoint you, but Zimbabwe has adopted the US dollar, and so the Zim dollar isn't legal tender there any more.

13th February 2013, 11:20 AM	#3452
Drewbot Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 7,693	A comment from Ben Radford: "I've read it, it's really, really funny."
Drewbot Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 7,693	__________________ "I dont call that evolution, I call that the survival of the fittest." - Bulletmaker "I thought skeptics would usually point towards a hoax rather than a group being duped." - makaya325 Kit is not a skeptic. He is a former Bigfoot believer that changed his position to that of non believer.- Crowlogic

13th February 2013, 11:31 AM	#3453
calwaterbear Thinker Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 248	hold on everybody, lets look at this sytematically geeze, i knew this would happen, melbas spys informed her that I had a very busy day today, so it was time to release the hounds! Guys I have to administer 200 essay exams today, then guess what, I have to read them! OK so I think we can and should go about this in a very systematic way, and many of you would be willing to pitch in a little of your time. I suggest we start with the list of authors. First thing we need to know is are all of the authors actually on board with this? each should be contacted - IN A VERY POLITE WAY, either by email or phone. They should be asked 3 questions - VERY RESPECTFULLY, 1. are they aware they are listed as a co-author on this paper? 2. If so, can they tell you how they were involved? writing? analyzing the genome? preparing samples for sequencing? Doing the actual sequensing? 3. Do they realize the paper is claiming the existance of bigfoot, as a hibred human entity. Thats it, no confrontation, no real followup (unless they want to talk, then you ought to listen closely). I see that as step one of a very reasoned approach to examining this paper and it's extraordinary claims. Going over and analyzing the data may take time, but first, lets examine the participation of the authors. If anyone wants to tackle part of that, i guess just let me know, so we can divide up the work. We really do not need 15 people calling each and every one of them! CWB
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13th February 2013, 11:40 AM	#3454
DennyT Illuminator Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Michigan Posts: 3,216	what, do you think people would want to get off the Carnival Melba? I mean, look what they're getting for their money.
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13th February 2013, 11:47 AM	#3455
Drewbot Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 7,693	Allegedly Melba pulled the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=khHSX3ZYaKI It no longer works.
Drewbot Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 7,693	__________________ "I dont call that evolution, I call that the survival of the fittest." - Bulletmaker "I thought skeptics would usually point towards a hoax rather than a group being duped." - makaya325 Kit is not a skeptic. He is a former Bigfoot believer that changed his position to that of non believer.- Crowlogic

13th February 2013, 11:49 AM	#3456
calwaterbear Thinker Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 248	another thing to check out this on line journal, and it is labled as a scientific journal" so it must be. anyway it has some spectacular photos on the cover http://www.denovojournal.com/#!journals/c10d6 anyone here have to ability and inclination to track down those images on the web, I suspect they will be stock photos fro sale by professional photographers, and the photographer would certainly be thrilled to hear from you complementing hi or her magnificent work displayed on the cover! Unless of course the jornal neglected to pay for the images!
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13th February 2013, 12:03 PM	#3457
Jodie Philosopher Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 6,229	When you click on the image info it says that they don't provide information for ownership of the image. But if you click on the HTMl for the image it says Wix , which lets you create your own free do it yourself web site. Probably a stock image from there. It does say this in the Wix user agreement though: dditional Prohibited Uses In addition to all the above prohibitions, you agree that you will NOT knowingly use the Service, among other things, to: (a) harm minors in any way; (b) impersonate any person or entity, or falsely state or otherwise misrepresent your affiliation with a person or an entity;
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13th February 2013, 12:07 PM	#3458
Drewbot Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 7,693	The Kingfisher photo is from http://www.freedigitalphotos.net/ima...er_p72957.html The Panda http://www.freedigitalphotos.net/ima...da_p43576.html Note: They are not free, you have to attribute them. And pay for certain usage.
Drewbot Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 7,693	__________________ "I dont call that evolution, I call that the survival of the fittest." - Bulletmaker "I thought skeptics would usually point towards a hoax rather than a group being duped." - makaya325 Kit is not a skeptic. He is a former Bigfoot believer that changed his position to that of non believer.- Crowlogic Last edited by Drewbot; 13th February 2013 at 12:08 PM.

13th February 2013, 12:41 PM	#3459
Gamolon Master Poster Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 2,702	I like the very bottom of their web pages. "© 2013 - all rights preserved."
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13th February 2013, 12:54 PM	#3460
calwaterbear Thinker Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 248	Author check update just to keep things organized, we have talked with Prychitco, and Wojtkiecicz. Prychitco did some sequencing, is aware of the paper, but did no analysis or writing of the paper. He has a private lab, but they only do the old school sequensing - the sanger technologies. Wojtkiecicz is aware of the paper, had not seen any recent versions, and had resized and reformatted some images for melba, who he has known for a long time. he also apparently worked on 4 or 5 samples, but could not get DNA from them, apparently he was using a kit that was specific to human. he has not seen anything since Melba went next gen . We are currently efforting Bollinger, Watts, and Toler. Still a few names to be checked on! Thats where we stand right now!
calwaterbear Thinker Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 248

13th February 2013, 12:55 PM	#3461
aboman Student Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 27	I saw that, though I wonder who's rights are 'preserved', DeNovo or DeVono scientific publishing? (not allowed to post pictures yet, sorry) tinypic.com/r/2817ts8/6
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13th February 2013, 01:07 PM	#3462
StankApe Banned Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,628	Originally Posted by Gamolon I like the very bottom of their web pages. "© 2013 - all rights preserved."
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13th February 2013, 01:35 PM	#3463
Kilaak Kommander Critical Thinker Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 343	According to the whois records, the denovojournal.com domain was registered on February 4, 2013. Denovoscientificpublishing.com was registered February 11, 2013 and doesn't even have a website, just a Wix placeholder page. Both are private registrations so there's no contact information. Looks like this was a very recent idea. There are leftovers in my fridge that have been around longer than Denovo Journal.

13th February 2013, 01:39 PM	#3464
calwaterbear Thinker Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 248	Good morning Robin! Hows the Publishing business! Ladies and gentlemen we have a celebrity Big time publisher of a true"scientific jornal" among us. Welcome Robin Lynn Pheifer, or whatever name you are using now. Robin, now using the name : Robin Haynes, was identified as Editor on the front cover of our brand newly created "Scientific Journal" De Novo. Congratulations on the birth of a new website, I believe the birthday was Feb 4th, of this year - correct? So within 15 minutes of me mentioning it here at JREF, her name was removed from the front cover, and no names in contact us etc, it all seems to be gone! Thats a real shame Robin, you ought to be getting credit for all your hard work! Lucky for you, when you google De Novo, one of the links is for contact us, and for whatever reason, your name appears there on the google link, even thought it has been scrubbed from the De Novo website. for those of you coming late to this game, a very brief recap of who Robin Haynes, AKA pheifer, AKA Lynn etc etc is! She is the woman in michigan with 10 bigfoots inhabitting her 10 acre michigan property. She routinely feeds then Blueberry Bagels, and went over to russia for burtsevs dog and pony show, which ended in her publically blasting Meldrum apparently because he was not willing to be hoaxed! anyway, thanks for reading us Robin, you are always welcome here, just wish you wouldn't try to sneak around, thats totally beneath someone with the stature of a big time scientific journal editor, you ought to participate her to educate us! CWB
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13th February 2013, 01:42 PM	#3465
StankApe Banned Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,628	calwaterbear is the "House" of Bigfoot skeptics
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13th February 2013, 01:50 PM	#3466
DennyT Illuminator Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Michigan Posts: 3,216	Originally Posted by parnassus do you get a t-shirt with that? with a picture of a medicine dropper and some test tubes? if you get put on the list of authors on a paper like this (think Carnival Triumph) is it good or bad that they spell your name wrong? 2nd author "Dr." Pat "Wojtkiecicz" is Pat Wojtkiewicz, and may not be a doctor; he does use that title at times, but the only documentation I find is when asked under oath, he testified that he had a master's degree in science from Northwestern State [Louisiana]. I suppose he may have gotten a Ph.D. later. Looking under "Patrick," I did find evidence that he is a Ph.D at this point.
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13th February 2013, 01:59 PM	#3467
Drewbot Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 7,693	CALWATERBEAR, if you can get a screen shot of that google search turning up Robin, then up load it to imageshack, it would be preserved for all to see. I can't get it to come up
Drewbot Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 7,693	__________________ "I dont call that evolution, I call that the survival of the fittest." - Bulletmaker "I thought skeptics would usually point towards a hoax rather than a group being duped." - makaya325 Kit is not a skeptic. He is a former Bigfoot believer that changed his position to that of non believer.- Crowlogic

13th February 2013, 01:59 PM	#3468
StankApe Banned Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,628	I have so been trolling bigfoot evidence blog! the denial over there is actually BIGGER than the river in egypt!
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13th February 2013, 02:09 PM	#3469
idoubtit Critical Thinker Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 365	Originally Posted by StankApe I have so been trolling bigfoot evidence blog! the denial over there is actually BIGGER than the river in egypt! How so? I HATE that site. Robin did provide many pro-Bigfoot writers with the press pass. Funny that.
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13th February 2013, 02:17 PM	#3470
StankApe Banned Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,628	Originally Posted by idoubtit How so? I HATE that site. Robin did provide many pro-Bigfoot writers with the press pass. Funny that. They are claiming that she was forced to do this because mean old science denied her out of hand without even reading her paper. It's one big excuse machine over there right now. Nobody wants to admit that this was a big con from the start so the various stages of grief are in play...
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13th February 2013, 02:23 PM	#3471
idoubtit Critical Thinker Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 365	Which is why I hate that site. Bunch of boneheads. Did you notice how much of the paranormal bigfootery is all about having "FANS" and no critics? If you've ever been to a UFO Bigfoot Ghost conventions, it's disgusting fawning over celebrities. Skeptics make poor "fans".
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13th February 2013, 02:29 PM	#3472
calwaterbear Thinker Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 248	Originally Posted by Drewbot CALWATERBEAR, if you can get a screen shot of that google search turning up Robin, then up load it to imageshack, it would be preserved for all to see. I can't get it to come up Yeah, i am getting smarter, before I went public i screen shotted it, as well as just cut and pasted the text. I have no idea how to use image shack, you want me to email you the image?
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13th February 2013, 02:43 PM	#3473
calwaterbear Thinker Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 248	Originally Posted by Drewbot CALWATERBEAR, if you can get a screen shot of that google search turning up Robin, then up load it to imageshack, it would be preserved for all to see. I can't get it to come up Yeah, i am getting smarter, before I went public i screen shotted it, as well as just cut and pasted the text. I have no idea how to use image shack, you want me to email you the image? NOT SMART ENOUGH HOWEVER TO KEEP FROM DOUBLE POSTING! MAN i AM A GENIUS!
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13th February 2013, 02:57 PM	#3474
Resume Troublesome Passenger Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 21,751	Originally Posted by StankApe I have so been trolling bigfoot evidence blog! the denial over there is actually BIGGER than the river in egypt! I take it they want to serve up some crow.

13th February 2013, 03:02 PM	#3475
xtifr Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 1,299	Originally Posted by OntarioSquatch Some interesting info: "We encountered the worst scientific bias in the peer review process in recent history. I am calling it the “Galileo Effect”. Ah yes, the "Galileo Effect". Well known in the physics community. When someone comes up with a load of utter codswallop that violates everything we know about physics, and tries to insist that their pet theory is reality, and electrons really are just torus-shaped photons, or that gravity is really an illusion caused by electromagnetic attraction, they invariably compare themselves to Galileo when no reputable journal will touch their nonsense with a ten-foot pole. Whatserface (sorry, I can't be bothered to remember the name of every nutjob on the Internet), the vet who wants to pretend she's a genetics expert, is well on the way to hitting every standard mark of crankhood known to science.
xtifr Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 1,299	__________________ "Those who learn from history are doomed to watch others repeat it." -- Anonymous Slashdot poster "The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore." -- James Nicoll