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beer-swilling semiliterate
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Connecticut, or King Arthur's Court. Hard to tell sometimes.
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By way of contrast, JREF has 9.37 million posts, give or take, and roughly 167,000 posts in the Mod Area. Now, before you get all paranoid, keep in mind that a post has been generated in the Sooper Sekrit area for every infraction ever issued on this forum (which accounts for the vast majority of those 167,000 posts). The actual number of posts the Mod Team has made in that area is something slightly over 30,000. So, about 0.3% of our posts are invisible to the general population. I haven't compared posts in the Sooper Sekrit area per day to the total number of posts per day, but I'd bet the fraction is vanishingly small (I'd be amazed if it was as many as one in a thousand).
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#7642 |
Grammar Resistance Leader
TLA Dictator Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Pattaya, Thailand
Posts: 41,468
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By the way, the final count for the 24 hours of July 31 comes out to
Total Increase 60 posts Visible 24 Private Area 36 So only 60%. And again, this is not the mods area. This is the inner sanctum soopersafe space for the uber sensitive to have their privacy from the people they're inviting to join a forum and discuss things. Essentially, there are two forums. One for the untrained SJ101 crowd and one for the privileged SJ201 crowd. 60% of their posts are invisible to the general membership. And that general membership has been culled to get rid of undesirables, already. They've raised the ante on the "read and lurk" admonishment to extremes. I don't liken it to a cult so much as see it as something they must've all railed against throughout their school years. It's the Revenge of the Nerds. They now occupy the Cool Kids table in the lunch room. (For certain obscure definitions of the word "cool".) |
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#7643 |
Illuminator
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Anonymous Unimportant Place (not a secret Scorpion training facility for Shosuro ninjas)
Posts: 3,186
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Apparently I have made it to the SP list having never posted on the A+ forum. I am on the Block Bot twitter list as a level 2 having done nothing more than an occasional comment on twitter and occasionally retweeting things.
I would count this as a badge of honor but I can not say that I was going out of my way to annoy them. |
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#7644 |
Muse
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 973
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#7645 |
Illuminator
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Anonymous Unimportant Place (not a secret Scorpion training facility for Shosuro ninjas)
Posts: 3,186
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Mormon Atheist
Join Date: Dec 2001
Posts: 60,135
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#7647 |
Degenerate Gambler
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 5,088
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Could someone please post a link to see the 'blackbot' list? I'm curious if I'm on there...
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#7648 |
Nitpicking dilettante
Administrator Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Berkshire, mostly
Posts: 55,771
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It doesn't seem to be working at the moment, though it was yesterday, but it's http://www.theblockbot.com/?page_id=35
(Found via Tim Farley's excellent blog post on the topic.) |
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#7649 |
Under the Amazing One's Wing
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 2,546
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Very interesting list. Saw Claus Larsen complaining about being on the list and how there's no channel for appeal. Also found "girl writes what" on level 2. She's really cool! It's not just about abusive trolling. It's about fear of contradiction and fear of dissent. Again, uniformity of opinion is mandatory with the A+ crowd which is the antithesis of free thought.
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#7650 |
Master Poster
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 2,306
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You can be banned without even having to post there?!
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#7652 |
Adelaidean
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Australia
Posts: 11,706
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It was interesting to see that they interviewed Oolon, the only person able to post to FtB, A+ and the Slyme pit and not be considered evil by the former two because he's associated with the latter.
But GWW is an evil fedora wearing misogynistic gender traitor MRA who wants to see all women stay in the kitchen, of course she's on the block list. Then again we are talking about a group of people who employ followcrime as a tactic. If you want to get on that block list you probably only need to follow either @elevatorgate or @AngrySkepchick since to some of these people that's a blockable offence. Interestingly enough, @thunderf00t is only on a level 2 block, while two fake accounts are level 1. |
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#7653 |
Grammar Resistance Leader
TLA Dictator Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Pattaya, Thailand
Posts: 41,468
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Ha! Foolmewunz has just been added to the list of people who aren't complete idiots. Hokulele It's not that liberals have become less tolerant. It's that conservatives have become more intolerable. |
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#7654 |
Grammar Resistance Leader
TLA Dictator Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Pattaya, Thailand
Posts: 41,468
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Probably right after the point that they decided that "safe space" would override any thoughts of allowing dissent and just before they realized that they needed a "safer space" (secret forum) for the bunch who hang out at the Cool Kids' Table in the lunchroom.
Results: A forum with no discussion, just head-nodding. A forum where the smart newbies(the ones who want to survive) wait for one of the CK(cool kids) to post the party line before stating an opinion. A forum with an average of just over two posts per hour, 60% of which are not even visible to the UK(uncool kids). |
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Ha! Foolmewunz has just been added to the list of people who aren't complete idiots. Hokulele It's not that liberals have become less tolerant. It's that conservatives have become more intolerable. |
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#7655 |
Illuminator
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Anonymous Unimportant Place (not a secret Scorpion training facility for Shosuro ninjas)
Posts: 3,186
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I did not even register at A+ forum let alone attempt to post there, I have no desire to get into that vortex of doom.
It is a twitter block bot so the delicate flowers at A+ don't even have to block individuals they can sign up for block bot and it does it for them. I was listed as level 2 SP for doing nothing more than following individuals on their list, retweeting things and conversing with individuals on their list. I don't really care that they block me, not like I am competing for followers or using twitter to promote anything, it is my personal twitter account for fun. What I care about is that the BBC used them as an example of blocking people and that they characterized individuals as abusers. |
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#7656 |
Adelaidean
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Australia
Posts: 11,706
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#7657 |
NWO Kitty Wrangler
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 29,685
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I found that discussion particularly interesting, as Claus was asking how he could appeal being on The List. In the media reports, they seem to downplay being put on lists 2 and 3, suggesting that there was some sort of appeal process to avoid abuse, but when Claus asked about it, the only identifiable person associated with the list told him that he has no control over the list, and that it's all in the hands of the Aplussers. Who have of course banned Claus from their forum. So, so much for their alleged appeals process. |
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#7658 |
Illuminator
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Anonymous Unimportant Place (not a secret Scorpion training facility for Shosuro ninjas)
Posts: 3,186
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I can't even get them to say why I was put on the level 2 list. I never even attempted to sign on to the forums. I am surmising that it the fact that I follow SPs and converse with them. I am on the Slypmepit, but I have only posted a couple of things there (you would have to look hard to find them) and I joined for the amusement. I don't blog (except for occasional contributions on someone else's blog on non-skeptical topics) or do videos on youtube, I am not on the speaker circuit, my tweets are just my personal ones.
I am very small potatoes indeed. I doubt that most of the A+ers have any idea who I am and they could hardly tell anything about me from my tweets, which makes it odd that they bother to have me on the list at all. It is unlikely that any of them would be following me or seek to follow me, and while I might retweet something from someone they don't want to hear from, it seems unlikely that they would ever see it. Again I don't really care that they have me on their block bot, I find it amusing, what I care about is how it was characterized on the bbc and the fact that lots more people have been pointed to the list who really have no clue about why the list was made and the people that made it. If people start using that list themselves to block what they think are abusers and I find my twitter account disabled I will be very angry. |
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#7659 |
Penultimate Amazing
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 32,124
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I would say that the posts per hour comparison could only be used to determine whether dissent leads to conversation if it took into account membership numbers and was posts per hour per member. Otherwise it's just saying "forums with fewer members will have fewer posts", which seems fairly obviously and trivially true.
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#7660 |
Grammar Resistance Leader
TLA Dictator Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Pattaya, Thailand
Posts: 41,468
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Oh, the posts per hour is just the upshot of the daily post count, which I agree is trivial, but I'm anal retentive and that sort of thing amuses me.
The more interesting thing, and the real reason I brought up the whole topic is that even at the paltry total posts per day, if they maintain that 60% rate going straight into the inner sanctum club house, then they'll have days with a dozen posts visible to the general membership. People like talking about things (even if they're not allowed to debate them) and a post every two hours for general consumption really can't feel much like a conversation, so they may lose their public following because people think there's no one posting, while they're really having tea and biscuits out of sight of the masses. |
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#7661 |
Muse
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 978
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Except as a comment on the efficacy of their "movement", which, yeah, is obvious. The hidden v. public postings seems relevant to the root insular nature of their group, maybe?
Looks like their blockbot is there one attempt at a "public" campaign and we can see how obviously it has gone wrong. Maybe I should start a twitter account and ask on the A+ forum to be banned...since they lack a way to delete your own account (unless that has been added in the last 8 months or so). |
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#7662 |
Banned
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 3,358
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Struck some gold:
Originally Posted by ceepolk
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#7663 |
Master Poster
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 2,306
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Ceepolk's really racist, isn't she?
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#7664 |
Piggish
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Blandings Castle
Posts: 2,210
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#7665 |
Under the Amazing One's Wing
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 2,546
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#7666 |
Penultimate Amazing
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: The Antimemetics Division
Posts: 64,228
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#7667 |
Illuminator
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 3,024
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If my IronyMeter hadn't already been painfully explodiated by all viscous dog-piling, snark, and general jerkwadery going on in a "safe space", this sentence would surely have done it in :
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#7668 |
Banned
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 3,358
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#7669 |
Banned
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 3,358
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Setar is at it:
Originally Posted by Setar
And most importantly, Shermer, Jillette and Teller have never said that all skeptics must be libertarians. The plussers are the ones calling for politically based excommunication. "If that smelly libertarian is allowed to stay, I'm out!" |
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#7671 |
Muse
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 978
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Instead of asking to be banned I made my very first twitter account and have followed some lvl 2 and 3s so I can see if I can get blocked without posting a single tweet.
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#7672 |
beer-swilling semiliterate
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Connecticut, or King Arthur's Court. Hard to tell sometimes.
Posts: 25,744
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#7673 |
Thinker
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 218
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Ceepolk is probably the most annoying privilege-bearing individual on Atheism +.
There is a certain segment of Canadian society that never contributes anything useful to society, but continues to criticize everything that government do. Ceepolk is the poster child. On the "Margaret Thatcher" thread, she remarked that she was happy that Ralph Klein (an ex Alberta premier) died (about the same time as Thatcher), and then went on that the Alberta health care system is abominable. As all Canadian, she is covered through the provincial health care system. Alberta's system is world-class and she does not have to contribute nothing. She probably pay no taxes since she does not seems to have a job, or at least one paying enough. On the "Housing Angst" thread, she posted:
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I despise this type of people who abuse the system and then want to give you a lesson on social justice. Patriarchy is allowing her to live the lifestyle that she chose. Now off the soapbox. |
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#7674 |
fishy rocket scientist
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: among the machines
Posts: 2,682
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fishy rocket scientist
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: among the machines
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#7676 |
Penultimate Amazing
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 32,124
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I live on my own, and I much prefer it to living with others. I keep my own hours (well, job excepting), I don't have to compromise on what to watch on TV, I can wander round nude in warm weather, etc. I absolutely love it.
This does not, however, mean that I was previously a victim for living in shared housing. It certainly doesn't mean that living with others gave me PTSD. IT means that there were times when I had to compromise, and it means that there were times when I was involved in conflicts I didn't want to be, and it means that there were times when I had to make the best of being in close proximity to people I didn't like. But you know what? That's part of being an adult. Life isn't always exactly what you want it to be, and sometimes you have to deal with things that you don't want to deal with. That doesn't make you a victim, it makes you a human being. |
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#7677 |
fishy rocket scientist
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: among the machines
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#7678 |
Piggish
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Blandings Castle
Posts: 2,210
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Problem is, they never make that distinction. On A+, only whites can be racists. Full stop. Only men can be sexist. Full stop. Ad nauseum. The actually started in on, IIRC, the admin for making the mistake of claiming that any race could be racist, and finally s/he had to concede to being mistaken and withdraw the previous posts. I agree you could make an argument for sociological racism/sexism/etc being in the hands of those on top, but they never use sub-context or nuance. They just trot out their statements and ban anyone who disagrees with their newspeak. It's revolting.
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#7679 |
fishy rocket scientist
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: among the machines
Posts: 2,682
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I know, because it's 101 material. No one can question the 101 material. To question the 101 material is to not understand the 101 material. To not understand the 101 material is to not want to understand the 101 material.
To not want to understand the 101 material is to be "part of the problem". |
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#7680 |
Just the right amount of cowbell
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Well past Hither, looking for Yon
Posts: 6,658
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