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Old 30th November 2005, 07:26 PM   #1
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O'Reilly authors new Protocols...

... of the Elders of Zion. So, who's surprised?

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There's a very secret plan. And it's a plan that nobody's going to tell you, "Well, we want to diminish Christian philosophy in the U.S.A. because we want X, Y, and Z." They'll never ever say that. But I'm kind of surprised they went after Christmas because it's such an emotional issue.
Secret plan. There's a start.

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Now the reason this is happening is because of the ACLU and George Soros, Peter Lewis.
Stir in a Jewish cabal.

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Joseph Stalin, Adolf Hitler, Mao Zedong, Fidel Castro, all of them. That's the first step. Get the religion out of there, so that we can impose our big-government, progressive agenda.
Add a generous measure of villians from the hall of fame. And what have you got?

At the risk of poisoning the well, I am curious to see what the usual O'Reilly defenders have got to say about this.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200511300007
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Old 30th November 2005, 09:30 PM   #2
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The "usual O'Reilly defenders" can speak now?
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Old 30th November 2005, 10:23 PM   #3
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O'REILLY: In every secular progressive country, they've wiped out religion ... Joseph Stalin, Adolf Hitler, Mao Zedong, Fidel Castro, all of them. That's the first step. Get the religion out of there, so that we can impose our big-government, progressive agenda.
That trope again? I need to get myself a media career so I can explain to a wide audience that the reason totalitarian dictators have it in for organized religion is because ideologies do not tolerate rival ideologies. Loyalty to the Church detracts from loyalty to the Party, and if you're too busy worshipping Jesus or your ancestors or whomever, you're not worshipping your Führer/Great Helmsman/Beloved Leader. So the Party can either try to harness the Church to its wagon (like Franco, Milosevic and on occasion, Saddam Hussein), or the Church will have to go. The Nazis, incidentally, never tried to "wipe out religion"; they just came up with their own (essentially Christian monotheism with the Jewish bits taken out and a dollop of "Blood and Soil" neo-paganism thrown in). Adherents of this rather ill-defined faith had "Gottglaubichkeit" listed as their religion in IDs such as military paybooks. "Gottglaubichkeit" translates literally to "the condition of believing in God" (or "God-believing-ness"); thus, it is not atheism.
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Old 1st December 2005, 02:17 AM   #4
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Y'know, I'm seriously ticked off that my fellow Jews have been running things for so long and I've yet to get a cut of the proceeds.

Hmm. The "Protocols" canard has been around for long enough, and we're having such a hard tie defeating it, perhaps we Jews should just give up and actually try to take over the world.
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Old 1st December 2005, 05:02 AM   #5
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Originally Posted by David Swidler View Post
Y'know, I'm seriously ticked off that my fellow Jews have been running things for so long and I've yet to get a cut of the proceeds.

Hmm. The "Protocols" canard has been around for long enough, and we're having such a hard tie defeating it, perhaps we Jews should just give up and actually try to take over the world.
You´re welcome to do so, as far as I am concerned. Can´t be worse than what we have now. And at least you´d put a lid on all those nazis.
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Are George Soros and Peter Lewis Jewish?
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Old 1st December 2005, 05:39 AM   #7
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Originally Posted by David Swidler View Post
Y'know, I'm seriously ticked off that my fellow Jews have been running things for so long and I've yet to get a cut of the proceeds.

Hmm. The "Protocols" canard has been around for long enough, and we're having such a hard tie defeating it, perhaps we Jews should just give up and actually try to take over the world.

No, make it a movie, you have the rights. Either Mel Brooks or Spielberg would do though Spielberg is more bankable.

And the merchandising, boobala. I see a game, no, games. XBox, walkman, PC and maybe, get this, a stand alone Neopet deal. Instead of feeding some dumb animal you "feed the conspiracy". Watch it grow.

Have your girl call my girl.

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Old 1st December 2005, 06:38 AM   #8
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No, make it a movie, you have the rights. Either Mel Brooks or Spielberg would do though Spielberg is more bankable.

And the merchandising, boobala. I see a game, no, games. XBox, walkman, PC and maybe, get this, a stand alone Neopet deal.
Mel Brooks: "Protocols, The T-Shirt™! Protocols, The Coloring Book™! Protocols, The Lunchbox™! Protocols, The Breakfast Cereal™! Protocols, The Flame Thrower™! ...The kids love this one."
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Old 1st December 2005, 06:39 AM   #9
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Originally Posted by Perforatu View Post
Mel Brooks: "Protocols, The T-Shirt™! Protocols, The Coloring Book™! Protocols, The Lunchbox™! Protocols, The Breakfast Cereal™! Protocols, The Flame Thrower™! ...The kids love this one."
"It's PC to Wear PZ"
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Old 1st December 2005, 07:01 AM   #10
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Hypocrite

It amuses me to no end that a man whose employer had to dish out a large undisclosed amount of money in settlement for his lewd and perverted behavior with a female co-worker is complaining about someone ruining the "sanctity" of Christmas!

How hypocritical can he be? This is a man whose inappropriate advances and suggestions to a young lady whom he intimidated were recorded on tape in her defense. This is a man who has promoted "family values" with a Conservative conscience on a television program. This is a man who drinks the Kool-Aid of Conservative agenda on a daily basis (including, presumably, the embracing of Christianity), yet this is the same man who pervertedly asked a female co-worker if she owned electric, rubber novelties.

I wonder how the Jews, the Atheists and the Agnostics all managed to turn him from his beloved Jesus?
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Old 1st December 2005, 07:17 AM   #11
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Originally Posted by Perforatu View Post
Mel Brooks: "Protocols, The T-Shirt™! Protocols, The Coloring Book™! Protocols, The Lunchbox™! Protocols, The Breakfast Cereal™! Protocols, The Flame Thrower™! ...The kids love this one."
Hook up with PEZ (Protocols of the Elders of Zion)

A Jew Dispenser......priceless. The ideas just keep coming.


ohohohoh.....it dispenses "tablets".......don't know how I do it.
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The "usual O'Reilly defenders" can speak now?
Do we even have "usual O'Reilly defenders" on this board?
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Old 1st December 2005, 07:26 AM   #13
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Are George Soros and Peter Lewis Jewish?
Mr. Soros is a secular Jew, though it would be something of a stretch to include him among the "usual suspect" Jews whom conspiracy theorists accuse of trying to take over the world -- he made his biggest splash by tweaking the "international bankers" the conspiracy nuts go on about and I don't think the state of Israel is likely to give him any "thanks for the support" awards anytime soon. Don't know about Mr. Lewis.

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The "usual O'Reilly defenders" can speak now?
Oh sure, there's dozens of them right here on this forum, which is why hgc opened this here thread. I'm sure he can tell us who they are and point out some examples. In fact, hgc, why don't you do precisely that to quell the doubters.
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Old 1st December 2005, 07:27 AM   #14
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Do we even have "usual O'Reilly defenders" on this board?
I'll defend him if it is warrented. This is too bizarre though.


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Old 1st December 2005, 08:26 AM   #15
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I'll say it. O'Reilly is an idiot. He goes on every year about how "secularists" are destroying Christmas. He is deeply offended that store greeters and signage now say "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas" because gee, including other people besides Christians in your welcome is somehow a bad thing. (Not to mention that he doesn't provide any evidence that such practices are prevalent or even increasing.)

What a maroon.
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Old 1st December 2005, 08:48 AM   #16
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This is the thing I don't get as well. Why is being more inclusive considered such a bad thing?

It's the same with the christmas/holiday tree in Boston. Changing it to a "holiday" tree means that we can enjoy it for other parts of the season, including Thanksgiving and even New Years, and people who don't celebrate Christmas can see in it whatever they want (Solstace!).

Apparently that's not good enough. Nope, the tree must be designated Christmas so we can announce the christian presence and exclude the non-christians from the mix.
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I've been wishing people "Merry Walrus!" for three years running. Very few people seem to even notice. They hear what they want to hear.

I don't think of it as taking Christ out of Christmas, I think of it as putting more walruses in. If there's one thing Xmas needs to counteract all this crass commercialism, it's more walruses.
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Imagine how much cooler the nativity scene would be, given how much you like them already.
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Old 1st December 2005, 09:25 AM   #19
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The Christmas Tree started off as secular tradition (or pagan, if you like) in the first place. It was the Christians who hijacked it.

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King Tut never saw a Christmas tree, but he would have understood the tradition which traces back long before the first Christmas, says David Robson, Extension Educator, Horticulture with the Springfield Extension Center.

The Egyptians were part of a long line of cultures that treasured and worshipped evergreens. When the winter solstice arrive, they brought green date palm leaves into their homes to symbolize life's triumph over death.

The Romans celebrated the winter solstice with a fest called Saturnalia in honor of Saturnus, the god of agriculture. They decorated their houses with greens and lights and exchanged gifts. They gave coins for prosperity, pastries for happiness, and lamps to light one's journey through life.

Centuries ago in Great Britain, woods priests called Druids used evergreens during mysterious winter solstice rituals. The Druids used holly and mistletoe as symbols of eternal life, and place evergreen branches over doors to keep away evil spirits.

Late in the Middle Ages, Germans and Scandinavians placed evergreen trees inside their homes or just outside their doors to show their hope in the forthcoming spring. Our modern Christmas tree evolved from these early traditions.
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Oh sure, there's dozens of them right here on this forum, which is why hgc opened this here thread. I'm sure he can tell us who they are and point out some examples. In fact, hgc, why don't you do precisely that to quell the doubters.
I knew at the time it was a mistake to throw down that particular gauntlet. If anyone wanted to defend him for this particular thing, they could certainly do it without my particular prompting. I didn't name them for 2 reasons -- I couldn't call to mind who they were and it isn't nice to go around calling people out by name, unprovoked.

Since Ed self-identifies as an occassional defender, he's a good example of whom I was interested in hearing from. For obvious reasons, he doesn't defend this.
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Just think, there are troops in Iraq reading that story right now, thanks to their supporters back home like Bill.
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Fair enough. Any word on Peter Lewis' religion?

For the record, I agree that this is dumbassery in the first degree. I just think comparing it to the Protocols is a over the top and serves to diminsh the evil of that work.
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Just think, there are troops in Iraq reading that story right now, thanks to their supporters back home like Bill.
Interesting point, however Israel, Palestine, Gun Control? I don't know, but Abortion, Global Warming for sure.

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Fair enough. Any word on Peter Lewis' religion?

For the record, I agree that this is dumbassery in the first degree. I just think comparing it to the Protocols is a over the top and serves to diminsh the evil of that work.
Peter Lewis is jewish.

I don't make such comparisons lightly, as I don't want either to diminish the vileness of the Protocols or to be a hysteric on general principle. But the parallels are pretty irksome to me.

First, as I said, the secret plan. Whereas the Russian secret police who created the Protocols were merely cynical and O'Reilly is apparently paranoid to the point of being unhinged, the insistence of a grand conspiracy is particularly corosive. Question 1: got evidence of a secret plan, let's hear it.

Next, the specific identification of 2 jews and an organization usually thought of as dominated by jewish lawyers (ACLU).

Then draw the direct equivalence to mass murderers of yore.

Is it on the order of villainy of the Protocols? That's for you to judge. But the similarities are pretty stark.
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I want to add that I am becoming increasingly alarmed at how mainstream politico-media figures can get away with a lot more fascist sounding stuff than I would have thought possible before.

The utterances of Ann Coulter make me more afraid than ever that it is possible that political opposition to those in power will be persecuted under force of law in our lifetimes. It's not that someone like her says these things, but that such a person graces the cover of Time Magazine as a popular voice of the political movement that currently holds all the power in the federal government.

Now you can add to that the #1 personality on the #1 news network is ranting about the jews ("Soros, Lewis and the ACLU") who have a secret, multi-pronged plan to undermine our moral fiber.

Oh, and the erstwhile Majority Leader of the House of Representatives says that wrong-ruling judges will get their retribution.

Can you see a pattern here?
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Oh, and did I mention that from the President and the Vice President, on down, political critics are routinely branded as traitors?
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Oh, and did I mention that from the President and the Vice President, on down, political critics are routinely branded as traitors?
Lots of people mention that. But I never actually see it from the President or the Vice President or anybody like that. It usually turns out to be an idiot like O'Reilly or some freshman Congresscritter. On the other hand, I do see senior Democrats, people with years of tenure, comparing the administration and/or the military to Hitler's Germany and similar.
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I knew at the time it was a mistake to throw down that particular gauntlet. If anyone wanted to defend him for this particular thing, they could certainly do it without my particular prompting. I didn't name them for 2 reasons -- I couldn't call to mind who they were and it isn't nice to go around calling people out by name, unprovoked.

Since Ed self-identifies as an occassional defender, he's a good example of whom I was interested in hearing from. For obvious reasons, he doesn't defend this.
I defend against mindless generalities for the most part. I think that Bill does good things vis a vis the border, child abuse and the like, far more so and consistantly than anyone I am aware of in the mainstream media. His knowledge of his own faith is embaressing as is his grasp of american history. On this christmas thing, frankly it is a bore. On principle, this evening when we went to a party that our real estate guy throws, I have everybody a great big merry christmas. WTF cares. I evidentially merryed a jewish guy who was our architect. My wife said "Ed, he's Jewish" I said F him, damn Christ Killer(tm).

If saying Merry Christmas is out among the intellegensia then I am a merryer, contrarian SOB that I am.

The Christmas Spirit is growing in my breast.
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I want to add that I am becoming increasingly alarmed at how mainstream politico-media figures can get away with a lot more fascist sounding stuff than I would have thought possible before.

The utterances of Ann Coulter make me more afraid than ever that it is possible that political opposition to those in power will be persecuted under force of law in our lifetimes. It's not that someone like her says these things, but that such a person graces the cover of Time Magazine as a popular voice of the political movement that currently holds all the power in the federal government.

Now you can add to that the #1 personality on the #1 news network is ranting about the jews ("Soros, Lewis and the ACLU") who have a secret, multi-pronged plan to undermine our moral fiber.

Oh, and the erstwhile Majority Leader of the House of Representatives says that wrong-ruling judges will get their retribution.

Can you see a pattern here?

Absolutely nothing new. Father Coughlin would have whupped your ass.
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Originally Posted by Ed View Post
I1 I evidentially merryed a jewish guy who was our architect. My wife said "Ed, he's Jewish" I said F him, damn Christ Killer(tm).

If saying Merry Christmas is out among the intellegensia then I am a merryer, contrarian SOB that I am.

The Christmas Spirit is growing in my breast.

I never mind being wished a Merry Christmas. I usually have a great time on December 25. My work is closed, most stores are closed so I can't run errands, my family doesn't celebrate this holiday, so no obligations there, it's great! I can just kick back.
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I never mind being wished a Merry Christmas. I usually have a great time on December 25. My work is closed, most stores are closed so I can't run errands, my family doesn't celebrate this holiday, so no obligations there, it's great! I can just kick back.
Do you go out for Chinese food?
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Do you go out for Chinese food?
Yes, but I've never had Chinese turkey.
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Absolutely nothing new. Father Coughlin would have whupped your ass.
That's long before my time, but his stench is rising from the grave.

Here's what I mean-- Another Fox News luminary, John Gibson, says...
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No, no, no. If you figure that -- listen, we get a little theological here, and it's probably a bit over my head, but I would think if somebody is going to be -- have to answer for following the wrong religion, they're not going to have to answer to me. We know who they're going to have to answer to.
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And that's fine. Let 'em. But in the meantime, as long as they're civil and behave, we tolerate the presence of other religions around us without causing trouble, and I think most Americans are fine with that tradition.
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I was passing by a TV tonight, where what to my wandering eyes did appear but, in split-screen glory, Mr. O'Reilly and his guest, Ms. Coulter. Somehow I was able to resist the gravitational pull of their two planets in alignment and reached escape velocity before spending so much as ten seconds listening to their "views."
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Old 2nd December 2005, 04:22 AM   #36
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Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin View Post
I was passing by a TV tonight, where what to my wandering eyes did appear but, in split-screen glory, Mr. O'Reilly and his guest, Ms. Coulter. Somehow I was able to resist the gravitational pull of their two planets in alignment and reached escape velocity before spending so much as ten seconds listening to their "views."
What? Didn't you know? Anything they say which is so onerous that the flames of backlash start to lick their asses instantly is restyled as comic bon mots. You are perfectly safe.
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Old 2nd December 2005, 05:25 AM   #37
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Originally Posted by hgc View Post
That's long before my time, but his stench is rising from the grave.
My point is that this is nothing new. Somehow we survived.
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My point is that this is nothing new. Somehow we survived.
That's history. Doesn't always repeat itself exactly. Im worried about the future.
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The funny thing is that O'Reilly et al are Roman Catholics. To some on the fringe of fundimentalist christianity, they are not even christian. I defer to my good friend, Jack Chick..

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0071/0071_01.asp

I wonder how thrilled Bill (and Sean and Coulter and the other loons) would be if the government decides that maybe the King James version of the 10 Commandments is the one that should be displayed.

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King James Version: 2. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; And showing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

Catholic Version: 2. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.
Wars have been fought over distinctions like this. There is a very good reason why the founders wanted to keep govertnment away from religion. If a catholic group sued that state with the stupid granite monument because it has the wrong version, on what basis would a court rule? Would Bill have no opinion?
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That's history. Doesn't always repeat itself exactly. Im worried about the future.
And everything that we refer to here is history too.
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