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Old 27th October 2012, 12:57 PM   #121
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Originally Posted by Poetry Hound View Post
Here's my list. Sorry if some have already been posted.

1.There’s a ton of evidence but all the evidence was shipped to China.

2. Bin Laden worked for the CIA but the CIA used a “fake” Bin Laden in the video.

3. Everybody’s asleep but everybody’s waking up.

4. The debunkers disrespect the victims’ families but the families who said they spoke to their loved ones on the planes are liars.

5. You can’t trust what the government says except when you can trust the government (e.g., the FBI lies, but we know Bid Laden wasn’t guilty cuz the FBI didn’t include 9/11 on his Most Wanted entry).

6. You can’t trust what the media says except when you can trust what the media says. (e.g., the BBC reported WTC 7’s collapse early so they can’t be trusted, but we know some of the hijackers are alive because it was reported by the BBC).

7. The government-funded investigations were corrupt so we need another government-funded investigation.

8. Cheney ordered that the Pentagon plane not be shot down but there was no Pentagon plane.

9. Hanjour couldn’t have made the difficult maneuvers in the Pentagon plane but there was no Pentagon plane.

10. Silverstein told an FDNY official to “pull it” but he never spoke to an FDNY official.

11. A firefighter said WTC 7’s going to "blow" so he had advance knowledge of the inside job, but the firefighters weren’t part of the inside job.

12. Thermite/thermate was used in order to disguise the demolitions by avoiding the sound of explosives, but people heard explosives.

13. According to various truthers, the people involved in the plot included demo crews, building maintenance staff, building security staff, first responders at all 3 sites, ground zero crews, FEMA, NIST, DOD, CIA, United Airlines, American Airlines, scientists at MIT, Purdue, Northwestern, Berkeley, etc., insurance companies, Rudy Giuliani, Larry Silverstein, the Mossad, all the media in the world, etc. etc. etc. and yet . . . it would only take a relatively small handful of people to pull off 9/11.

14. Who was behind 9/11? It was the Bush Administration! No wait! It was a rogue group of government officials! No wait! It was the NWO! No wait! It was the Jews! No wait! It was Haliburton and other defense contractors! No wait! It was the Vatican! No wait! It was the illuminati! Aw hell, it was all of ‘em!

15. What hit the Pentagon? It was a Global Hawk! No wait! It was an A3 Skywarrior! No wait! It was a missile! No wait! It really was Flight 77 but Hanjour wasn’t at the controls! No wait! It was all done with explosives!
Great summation of the fact/fiction of the conspiracy kooks
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Old 27th October 2012, 03:15 PM   #122
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The media ignored the collapse of WTC7.

BBC announces WTC7 collapse before it happened.
Good one.
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Old 27th October 2012, 07:49 PM   #123
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Originally Posted by Carlos View Post
The media ignored the collapse of WTC7.

BBC announces WTC7 collapse before it happened.
I wonder why the Vast Conspiracy told the media about the impending demolition of WTC 7. Was it because they wanted it to be covered? Were they hoping "Remember Building 7!" would rank with "Remember the Maine!" as an inspirational troop slogan, and they were worried nobody would cover it? In which case, why not have the Dancing Israelis film the collapse, and pitch the video to the networks?

Or could it be they were warned not to report it? Were they hoping nobody would notice? (You know, all those incriminating documents that had to be destroyed.)

My personal favorite is: "The Twin Towers fell at freefall speed! [sic] This proves demolition!" (Nevermind that CD'd buildings don't fall at g.)

"The Twin Towers fell at .64g. This proves demolition." (David Chandler)
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Old 28th October 2012, 08:13 AM   #124
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If Bush & Co. could put explosives in three skysrapers without anyone seeing them, why could they not put WMD's in Iraq to fake Saddam's WMD program?
And why wouldn't they just say some of the hijackers were Iraqi?
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Old 28th October 2012, 08:31 AM   #125
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Originally Posted by dannyb View Post
And why wouldn't they just say some of the hijackers were Iraqi?
Apparently one of the requirements for being an Evil Conspirator is that one must be an idiot savant
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Old 29th October 2012, 11:03 AM   #126
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People involved in the 9/11 plot are too scared to come forward, but there are plenty of whistle-blowers.

(Of course, the truthers incorrectly define "whistle-blower" not as someone who was inside of the inside job but as someone who simply speaks out with a contrary view, e.g., Steven Jones, Richard Gage, etc.)
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Old 29th October 2012, 11:07 AM   #127
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Flight 93 left no debris at the Shanksville site, but debris from the plane was found as far as 8 miles away from the crash site.
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Old 29th October 2012, 11:14 AM   #128
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Bush lied about seeing the first plane live on TV, which proves he was part of the plot, but Bush was too stupid to have been part of the plot.
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Old 29th October 2012, 01:17 PM   #129
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Originally Posted by Poetry Hound View Post
Bush lied about seeing the first plane live on TV, which proves he was part of the plot, but Bush was too stupid to have been part of the plot.
Did you just remember this account you made in 2006?
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Old 29th October 2012, 02:38 PM   #130
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Originally Posted by DGM View Post
Did you just remember this account you made in 2006?
I think he is pointing out the contradiction of truthers.
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Old 31st October 2012, 09:13 AM   #131
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Most of these would make great internet memes.
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Old 31st October 2012, 11:26 AM   #132
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Thermite burns quickly in seconds. Thermite burned slowly in the pile over 100 days.
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Old 31st October 2012, 11:31 AM   #133
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The heat from Thermite damaged the steel structure and caused the collapses. The heat from fire didn't damage the steel structure and caused the collapses.

You need a lot of thermite and a Cole steel container with a slit to damage steel. You only need a 1/16" painted layer of diluted thermite to damage steel.
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Old 31st October 2012, 12:13 PM   #134
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The heat from Thermite damaged the steel structure and caused the collapses. The heat from fire didn't damage the steel structure and caused the collapses.
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This bit has intriqued me for years. The 911TM does not seem to realize that by invoking thermite as a silent incindiary that was used to cut columns they are just saying that heat damage caused the collapse. They simply seem to believe that actually melting the steel is required to cause failure when its obvious from a century of steel behaviour in fire that this is just not true.
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Old 31st October 2012, 02:57 PM   #135
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The US Government, CIA, FBI, assembled thousands of people in a silent conspiracy to accomplish 9/11. The US Government ,CIA, FBI could not assemble a few soldiers to plant WMD in Iraq.


A wealthy George Bush risked execution to make more money from a conspiracy involving thousands.
A retired George and Barbara Bush and his foundation donates his money and time to raise cancer and AIDS awareness and treatments.


http://www.looktothestars.org/celebrity/george-w-bush
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=8435140#post8435140
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Old 31st October 2012, 03:02 PM   #136
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911 was concocted to garner public acceptance of a wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, but none of the hijackers were made out to be either Afghanis or Iraqis. They were from Egypt, Saudi Arabia and iirc Yemen, none of which anyone is trying to invade
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Originally Posted by jaydeehess View Post
This bit has intriqued me for years. The 911TM does not seem to realize that by invoking thermite as a silent incindiary that was used to cut columns they are just saying that heat damage caused the collapse. They simply seem to believe that actually melting the steel is required to cause failure when its obvious from a century of steel behaviour in fire that this is just not true.
There are many ways to be wrong but only one way to be right. Which is why the truthers have so many conflicting hypotheses and claims. The consensus explanation is integrated and is supported by the proportion of the evidence.
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Old 1st November 2012, 02:29 AM   #138
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as a noob to the forums, I have to say that this is my new favorite thread!!!

I couldn't believe there were still truthers til I came here! (seriously, that's so last decade)
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There are many ways to be wrong but only one way to be right. Which is why the truthers have so many conflicting hypotheses and claims. The consensus explanation is integrated and is supported by the proportion of the evidence.
The more theories and beliefs we hold, the bigger the chance that one of them might be the truth in the end.

The chance that we are right is proportional to the number of theories we believe in. If we believe in, let's say, 100 different theories, then the fact that we are right is HUNDRED times more probable than the debunkers (who for some reason only support one theory).

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Old 1st November 2012, 03:25 AM   #140
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Most of these would make great internet memes.
"Scumbag Conspiracy Theorist".
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Originally Posted by Starving for Truth View Post
The more theories and beliefs we hold, the bigger the chance that one of them might be the truth in the end.

The chance that we are right is proportional to the number of theories we believe in. If we believe in, let's say, 100 different theories, then the fact that we are right is HUNDRED times more probable than the debunkers (who for some reason only support one theory).
Lol

I wonder why debunkers only support one theory
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Originally Posted by jaydeehess View Post
This bit has intriqued me for years. The 911TM does not seem to realize that by invoking thermite as a silent incindiary that was used to cut columns they are just saying that heat damage caused the collapse. They simply seem to believe that actually melting the steel is required to cause failure when its obvious from a century of steel behaviour in fire that this is just not true.
"The fires could not have melted the steel. The steel melted."

Of course, actually finding the part in the initial story where the steel melted proves something of a challenge.

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The US Government, CIA, FBI, assembled thousands of people in a silent conspiracy to accomplish 9/11. The US Government ,CIA, FBI could not assemble a few soldiers to plant WMD in Iraq. ...
I've never actually seen a Truther acknowledge the second fact, no matter how many times I've pointed it out.
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Lol

I wonder why debunkers only support one theory
Taking a wild guess here, but could it be that that theory is based on gigantic amounts of proof, countless eyewitness accounts, radar data evidence, and has the support of science??
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