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Old 22nd June 2019, 11:26 AM   #441
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Originally Posted by kookbreaker View Post
Fetzer’s whining it up I see. I wonder if he represented himself because no lawyer would take this case? Or if he’s just a cheap-o.

Didn't Fetzer show up here at some point? What's his handle?
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Old 22nd June 2019, 12:22 PM   #442
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Originally Posted by Elagabalus View Post
Didn't Fetzer show up here at some point? What's his handle?
Numbnuts?
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Old 22nd June 2019, 12:31 PM   #443
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And then there's this:

Judge in InfoWars Case Says She’s Been Notified of Death Threats by The FBI


Stay classy, Infowhores.
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Old 22nd June 2019, 01:18 PM   #444
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Originally Posted by Elagabalus View Post
Didn't Fetzer show up here at some point? What's his handle?
"jfetzer"

He rocked up and joined when a discussion involving him happened, introduced himself here here in the intro forum

Then proceeded to post only in a thread called Jim Fetzer and conspiracy theories

Then he vanished while leaving his account active, thus enjoying MA protection for eternity. Last seen 7th July 2014 11:00 PM. Still enjoying MA protection. Funny that. Almost as if he had seen that he was being negatively discussed, examined the MA and joined simply to suppress such discussion. I am making no claim that this is what actually happened, of course.

But he remains a member in good standing. So watch it.

On a totally unrelated note, does anyone have an interest in a separate thread on the topic of "gaming the system"?
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Old 22nd June 2019, 01:28 PM   #445
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How about a thread that calls Fim Jetzer a ******
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Old 22nd June 2019, 01:59 PM   #446
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If the court rules in favour of Jones, can he sue those parents for damages such as losing his social media accounts?
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Old 22nd June 2019, 02:02 PM   #447
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Originally Posted by caveman1917 View Post
If the court rules in favour of Jones, can he sue those parents for damages such as losing his social media accounts?
Against the parents, I wouldn't think so - going after them for his cost of his defense, probably.
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Old 22nd June 2019, 02:54 PM   #448
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Originally Posted by Horatius View Post
Seriously, I wish that newspapers would use proof readers, at least for their headlines...

"Judge in InfoWars Case Says She’s Been Notified of Death Threats by The FBI"



This reads as if the FBI have been making death threats against the Judge

The headline should read something like

"The FBI have notified the Judge in InfoWars Case the she has had Death Threats"

or

"Death Threats made against Judge in InfoWars case says FBI"
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Old 22nd June 2019, 03:04 PM   #449
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Originally Posted by abaddon View Post
"jfetzer"

He rocked up and joined when a discussion involving him happened, introduced himself here here in the intro forum

Then proceeded to post only in a thread called Jim Fetzer and conspiracy theories

Then he vanished while leaving his account active, thus enjoying MA protection for eternity. Last seen 7th July 2014 11:00 PM. Still enjoying MA protection. Funny that. Almost as if he had seen that he was being negatively discussed, examined the MA and joined simply to suppress such discussion. I am making no claim that this is what actually happened, of course.

But he remains a member in good standing. So watch it.

On a totally unrelated note, does anyone have an interest in a separate thread on the topic of "gaming the system"?
Thanks!
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Old 22nd June 2019, 03:41 PM   #450
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Here's a punishment for someone else who is found guilty: Having to share a cell with Jones. Imagine the torture of never having the miserable ****** shutting up but ranting like he does, day and night.
One good shot to the solar plexus, And Jones will do exactly as he is told. Torture averted.
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Old 22nd June 2019, 03:47 PM   #451
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Originally Posted by abaddon View Post
"jfetzer"

He rocked up and joined when a discussion involving him happened, introduced himself here here in the intro forum

Then proceeded to post only in a thread called Jim Fetzer and conspiracy theories

Then he vanished while leaving his account active, thus enjoying MA protection for eternity. Last seen 7th July 2014 11:00 PM. Still enjoying MA protection. Funny that. Almost as if he had seen that he was being negatively discussed, examined the MA and joined simply to suppress such discussion. I am making no claim that this is what actually happened, of course.

But he remains a member in good standing. So watch it.

On a totally unrelated note, does anyone have an interest in a separate thread on the topic of "gaming the system"?
It was a hilarious thread. Unc Fetzer was savagely humiliated.
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Old 22nd June 2019, 03:48 PM   #452
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Originally Posted by caveman1917 View Post
If the court rules in favour of Jones, can he sue those parents for damages such as losing his social media accounts?
Dare to dream caveman.
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Old 22nd June 2019, 07:34 PM   #453
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
Seriously, I wish that newspapers would use proof readers, at least for their headlines...

"Judge in InfoWars Case Says She’s Been Notified of Death Threats by The FBI"



This reads as if the FBI have been making death threats against the Judge

The headline should read something like

"The FBI have notified the Judge in InfoWars Case the she has had Death Threats"

or

"Death Threats made against Judge in InfoWars case says FBI"
Or maybe the FBI is making death threats against her!
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Old 23rd June 2019, 07:08 PM   #454
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Originally Posted by shemp View Post
Or maybe the FBI is making death threats against her!

With Jones fanboi Trump in charge, this might actually be possible.
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Old 23rd June 2019, 07:23 PM   #455
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Originally Posted by caveman1917 View Post
If the court rules in favour of Jones, can he sue those parents for damages such as losing his social media accounts?
Win, lose, or draw, he can sue for anything he wants to sue for. It's the American way.
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Old 24th June 2019, 04:57 AM   #456
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Originally Posted by Horatius View Post
5d chess from the genius mind of Alex Jones.

The US has very strong speech protections, doubly so for journalists, if you can stomach calling AJ that. Those suing InfoWars, sympathetic as they may be, have an uphill climb to achieve legal victory here. Unless they have some smoking gun of direct incitement or coordination on the part of Jones, they have to prove that the InfoWars coverage of Sandy Hook is not protected speech. Like it or not, the US have very broad protection of press speech.

Of course, InfoWars conspiracy goons subjecting the presiding judge to the same exact mob harassment that the complainants have been dealing with will do nothing to help AJ's case. I imagine a judge that is being doxxed and threatened, at the wink-and-nod direction of Jones and InfoWars, is going to find it easier to rule that this is not protected speech.
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Old 24th June 2019, 06:01 AM   #457
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From Rolling Stone:

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Meanwhile, the families of several Sandy Hook victims earned another win Tuesday in their defamation suit against Alex Jones.
Family members of four students and two educators, along with one FBI agent who responded to the shooting, sued the controversial InfoWars host in August 2018 for pushing the conspiracy theory that the 2012 massacre was staged. “Jones is the chief amplifier for a group that has worked in concert to create and propagate loathsome, false narratives about the Sandy Hook shooting and its victims, and promote their harassment and abuse,” they argued in the suit.
In a Monday court filing, the plaintiffs said they found child pornography within court-requested discovery documents sent by Jones. They said the images, which were reported to the FBI, “had apparently been sent to InfoWars email addresses”; they argued that Jones’ team didn’t appear to have “engaged in even minimal due diligence” to review the materials before production.
Father of Sandy Hook Victim Wins Defamation Suit Against Massacre Deniers - InfoWars’ Alex Jones also received sanctions in separate lawsuit involving families of Newtown victims (Rolling Stone, June 19, 2019)
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Old 24th June 2019, 07:22 AM   #458
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Win, lose, or draw, he can sue for anything he wants to sue for. It's the American way.
I obviously meant with having a reasonable basis for actually winning.
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Old 27th June 2019, 05:18 PM   #459
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I'm discussing Jones on another forum. I'm having trouble addressing a claim that Jones rarely ever discussed Sandy Hook on his show. I'm trying to find out how many videos Infowars/Jones produced about Sandy Hook, but with his stuff getting banned from some sites, it is hard to find.

My google-fu is weak, I'm getting mostly links to his deposition and the child porn allegedly sent along with other info to the plaintiff's lawyers. Nothing about how often he discussed Sandy Hook or posted videos about it.

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Old 27th June 2019, 05:35 PM   #460
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I'm discussing Jones on another forum. I'm having trouble addressing a claim that Jones rarely ever discussed Sandy Hook on his show. I'm trying to find out how many videos Infowars/Jones produced about Sandy Hook, but with his stuff getting banned from some sites, it is hard to find.

My google-fu is weak, I'm getting mostly links to his deposition and the child porn allegedly sent along with other info to the plaintiff's lawyers. Nothing about how often he discussed Sandy Hook or posted videos about it.
Your challenge will likely be that most hosting services pulled down his videos. Normal searches will likely not work. Just looking on say, YouTube won't do you much good. There may be some "Alex Jones" monitoring sites run by his detractors that have the data you seek.
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Old 27th June 2019, 07:04 PM   #461
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Sandy Hook parents sue Alex Jones for defamation

The Knowledge Flight podcast has been going back through the Alex Jones shows in 2013 after the massacre. It’s true that he didn’t do much on the attack at first. Alex definitely started out as ambivalent and was at first outright shutting down claims of a fake attack. However, his show with Paul Joseph Watson hosting had on a guest - some college professor from Florida - who was all about false flag and crisis actors, and that was only a few weeks afterwards. Alex started leaning towards false flag over a period of weeks afterwards, probably because he realized that’s what his crazy audience wanted. I heard him actually say that it was a staged attack, but I couldn’t give you a show date beyond Jan or Feb 2013.
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Here's the podcast I was thinking of. Paul Joseph Watson sitting in for Alex Jones interviews this college professor from Florida about all of the anomalies regarding Sandy Hook - example, the school installed a new security system, yet we have no video of the shooter. It's extremely distasteful. Profanity warning.

http://knowledgefight.libsyn.com/kno...ary-17-18-2013 - skip to 43:00 for the start of the interview.
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Originally Posted by Horatius View Post
With Jones fanboi Trump in charge, this might actually be possible.
I disagree, Trump used Jones when he found Jones useful;now that Jones has become a liability Donnie will drop him like a hot potato and pretend he never knew him.
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Fetzer just found out that Karma can be a real bitch;Jones is going to get the same lesson.
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Old 28th June 2019, 01:57 PM   #465
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Your challenge will likely be that most hosting services pulled down his videos. Normal searches will likely not work. …..
I went through the lawsuit filing and the deposition. It's all there. Ugly as **** too. But I'm still debating the apologists on other forums.
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Old 4th September 2019, 07:51 PM   #466
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More good news!

Infowars Loses Appeal in Sandy Hook Defamation Lawsuit

"Alex Jones, the conspiracy theorist proprietor of Infowars, and his attorneys were denied an appeal regarding a lawsuit that alleges Infowars broadcast defamatory comments regarding the father of a child murdered in the 2012 Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting. The Texas Court of Appeals has ordered Infowars to “pay all costs” related to the botched appeal."

https://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/...ation-lawsuit/
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More good news!

Infowars Loses Appeal in Sandy Hook Defamation Lawsuit

"Alex Jones, the conspiracy theorist proprietor of Infowars, and his attorneys were denied an appeal regarding a lawsuit that alleges Infowars broadcast defamatory comments regarding the father of a child murdered in the 2012 Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting. The Texas Court of Appeals has ordered Infowars to “pay all costs” related to the botched appeal."

https://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/...ation-lawsuit/

"Heslin had filed a motion for expedited discovery and a motion for sanctions against defendants Jones, Infowars employee Owen Shroyer, Free Speech Systems LLC, and Infowars LLC, after it was revealed that Jones had ordered Infowars employees to remove “social media pages and video content relating to the Sandy Hook shooting” from the internet. Jones and his lawyers had previously filed a motion to have Heslin’s lawsuit dismissed under the Texas Citizens Participation Act, a 2011 Texas law meant to aid individuals facing a frivolous lawsuits, but the judge hearing the case agreed with Heslin’s argument that Infowars’ efforts to delete content relevant to his case had hampered his ability to respond to Infowars’ motion to dismiss."


It will not have escaped the judge's notice that removing those pages is a very good indicator of consciousness of guilt.
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"Heslin had filed a motion for expedited discovery and a motion for sanctions against defendants Jones, Infowars employee Owen Shroyer, Free Speech Systems LLC, and Infowars LLC, after it was revealed that Jones had ordered Infowars employees to remove “social media pages and video content relating to the Sandy Hook shooting” from the internet. Jones and his lawyers had previously filed a motion to have Heslin’s lawsuit dismissed under the Texas Citizens Participation Act, a 2011 Texas law meant to aid individuals facing a frivolous lawsuits, but the judge hearing the case agreed with Heslin’s argument that Infowars’ efforts to delete content relevant to his case had hampered his ability to respond to Infowars’ motion to dismiss."


It will not have escaped the judge's notice that removing those pages is a very good indicator of consciousness of guilt.
By the way, RanB, the above explains why you had trouble finding instances of Jones discussing Sandy Hook on his show; Jones directed his staff to delete much of it, a fact which has not gone unnoticed in court.
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Well, his bad behavior has been documented in his deposition, so he has that going for (or rather against) him.
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Court hears Alex Jones' appeal in Sandy Hook case

And he still can't keep a lid on it.
https://news.yahoo.com/court-hear-al...100600089.html
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"You're trying to set me up with child porn," Jones said on the show. "One million dollars, you little gang members. One million dollars to put your head on a pike."

Jones mentioned Mattei by name and pounded on a picture of Mattei while saying, "I'm gonna kill ... Anyway I'm done. Total war. You want it, you got it."
So, a genuine threat or just another rant protected by the 1st Amendment?

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This trail has been going on for most of the year. Why so long? Is the end in sight?
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This trail has been going on for most of the year. Why so long? Is the end in sight?
He already lost, now is the appeals process for him to lose on.
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Another Jones turncoat; actually a guy seeking some sort of redemption.

Former Infowars Editor Says Staff Laughed When He Asked Not To Lie About Sandy Hook
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Jacobson testified that Jones and his staff “got a rush” out of chasing baseless conspiracy theories related to Sandy Hook, including the false claim from Jones that CNN’s Anderson Cooper was standing in front of a blue screen and talking to actors “doing the fake crying” after the shooting.

Jacobson warned staff numerous times about the implications of what they were doing, he said.

“I would make it my business to go in to the writers and explain to them as clearly as possible that there is journalist ethics; and I tried to demonstrate what those ethics are and why they are violating them and what the damage could possibly be,” Jacobson said. They didn’t care, he said.
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“Just being in that building, it’s such an embarrassment and disgrace to think back on,” he told HuffPost. “I understand I could go into the old ‘I started on an innocent track, I was just interested in the occult stuff,’ but that’s no excuse. I feel ashamed whenever I think back to working there. It’s a total shame and blight in my memory.”

“So yeah, am I squealing on Alex?” he added. “Well, I have a soul to consider.”
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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle View Post
He already lost, now is the appeals process for him to lose on.
I think you're referring to the lawsuit filed by Pozner against James Fetzer and Mike Palecek, co-editors of the book called "Nobody Died At Sandy Hook". They lost; the trial for damages starts this month.

As far as I know the Pozner lawsuit against Jones has not gone to trial or reached any sort of agreement. The last mess Jones found himself in on this lawsuit was the child porn he sent to Pozner's lawyers as part of discovery.
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Originally Posted by Jungle Jim View Post
This trail has been going on for most of the year. Why so long? Is the end in sight?
Originally Posted by ponderingturtle View Post
He already lost, now is the appeals process for him to lose on.
I think what happened is that Jones's lawyers filed a motion to dismiss, that motion was denied by the judge, and they appealed that decision (the decision not to grant the motion to dismiss) all the way up to the Supreme Court (which declined to take the case). While all this was going on, the trial itself was effectively put on hold. So now it's back to the actual case, which picks up where it left off. Jones was ordered to pay the costs of the appeal.
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Granted it's not Alex Jones's dumbass, but another CTist got his ass handed to him in court:

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A Wisconsin jury Tuesday ordered a conspiracy theorist who claimed the grieving father of a victim of the 2012 Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre had fabricated his son's death certificate to pay the father $450,000.

A judge had ruled in June that James Fetzer, co-author of the book "Nobody Died at Sandy Hook," had defamed Leonard Pozner, father of Noah, 6, the youngest victim of the December 2012 mass shooting, by falsely claiming that Pozner had fabricated copies of his son's death certificate.
Good for him. I hope this continues and I hope Alex Jones gets it even worse.
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Granted it's not Alex Jones's dumbass, but another CTist got his ass handed to him in court:



Good for him. I hope this continues and I hope Alex Jones gets it even worse.
I hope we see a lot more of this - the taking down of conspiracy theorists and white supremcists by hitting them in the pocket. Bankrupt them into silence.

The really great thing about it is that, it does not violate their 1A rights - they are still free to say whatever they want, but it teaches them (and sends out a clear warning to others) that free speech is not absolute, and if you defame people or groups, there are going to be consequences for what you say; that you can no longer hide your vile rhetoric behind 1A.

Bring it on!

PS: I see that James Fetzer is listed as "a professor emeritus from the University of Minnesota Duluth". I think its time the University yanked his degree!
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
I hope we see a lot more of this - the taking down of conspiracy theorists and white supremcists by hitting them in the pocket. Bankrupt them into silence.

The really great thing about it is that, it does not violate their 1A rights - they are still free to say whatever they want, but it teaches them (and sends out a clear warning to others) that free speech is not absolute, and if you defame people or groups, there are going to be consequences for what you say; that you can no longer hide your vile rhetoric behind 1A.

Bring it on!

PS: I see that James Fetzer is listed as "a professor emeritus from the University of Minnesota Duluth". I think its time the University yanked his degree!
I'm not too far from there. I should see if I can reach out and interview him.
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
I hope we see a lot more of this - the taking down of conspiracy theorists and white supremcists by hitting them in the pocket. Bankrupt them into silence.

The really great thing about it is that, it does not violate their 1A rights - they are still free to say whatever they want, but it teaches them (and sends out a clear warning to others) that free speech is not absolute, and if you defame people or groups, there are going to be consequences for what you say; that you can no longer hide your vile rhetoric behind 1A.

Bring it on!

PS: I see that James Fetzer is listed as "a professor emeritus from the University of Minnesota Duluth". I think its time the University yanked his degree!

Way Past Time. I think the crap Fetzer pushed when he was one of the more notorious 9/11 Truthers should have cost him his job as a History Professor.
Fetzer was one of the orignators and fanatic advocates of the No Plane theory;ie that no planes hit the WTC,they were faked holographs. He was also a Moon Hoax believer.
I guess Fetzer when a conspiracy theory too far with this Sandy Hook crap.
And I suspect this judgement is making Alex Jones sweat a lot....
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Way Past Time. I think the crap Fetzer pushed when he was one of the more notorious 9/11 Truthers should have cost him his job as a History Professor.
Fetzer was one of the orignators and fanatic advocates of the No Plane theory;ie that no planes hit the WTC,they were faked holographs. He was also a Moon Hoax believer.
I guess Fetzer when a conspiracy theory too far with this Sandy Hook crap.
And I suspect this judgement is making Alex Jones sweat a lot....

Yeah, how does that saying go again?

"He never met a conspiracy theory he didn't believe"
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