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Old 14th July 2019, 02:15 PM   #281
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No, it wasn't. "the result of internal conflicts between one's worldview and one's sexuality." But if you think it was, that's OK.

Then perhaps you need to explain what you mean, because "society being homophobic" is the "worldview". If you don't ascribe to the worldview, then you stay closeted and scared, you don't become a raging homophobe.
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Old 9th August 2019, 11:11 AM   #282
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Old 9th August 2019, 11:19 AM   #283
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Then perhaps you need to explain what you mean, because "society being homophobic" is the "worldview". If you don't ascribe to the worldview, then you stay closeted and scared, you don't become a raging homophobe.

There are more coping strategies than just the one. Homophobic gay bashing is a variation of staying in the closet. You are no longer just trying to remain inconspicuous, you're out to prove that you're not gay - maybe to prove it to yourself as well as to others.
But like I already said, I actually don't "need to explain" anything just because you don't get it.
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Old 13th August 2019, 09:15 AM   #284
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Boston Latinos Beginning to Fear for Their Safety

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The day after a white supremacist gunned down Hispanics in Texas, masked white supremacists rally in Copley Square and try to get on the Orange Line.
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Old 13th August 2019, 08:59 PM   #285
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Um...If they're headed towards Roxbury unarmed, let them. They'll have a real rough time of things, of course, but maybe the Bloods that have taken over will teach them something.

Or have I been in Maryland for too long?

I keep saying, I don't think non-Hispanic white people in general, and republicans in particular, realize how badly Dolt 45 is going for them among minority groups. While they sit around and whine about how horrible it is that Agent Orange is called a racist, black, LatinX, and Native Americans are genuinely afraid of the white supremacist thugs (and I mean *actual* violent thugs, not just people who they imagine are violent because they're walking around and have a particular skin color, don't even try it with me) that make up his most fervent supporters. I suspect they're teaching a lot of people to make sure that republicans don't hold office at any level, and that's a lesson that will stay with them.
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The Boston Straight Pride Parade is on August 31.

It's a rebrand of Resist Marxism, a far-right group with ties to violent hate groups like the Proud Boys, the American Guard, and the neo-Nazi Patriot Front.

This thread is on their "security," a collection of violent goons.
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Old 17th August 2019, 03:07 AM   #287
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I thought "the Orange Line" was a subtle reference to the POTUS. Like, 'Gettin' on the Trump Train.'
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There are certain things that Super Happy Fun America aren't super happy about! They are compiling a list of Corporations that (allegedly) hate the straight, but it seems to be the kind of hate list that corporations are proud to be on!
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Old 17th August 2019, 11:10 AM   #289
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There are certain things that Super Happy Fun America aren't super happy about! They are compiling a list of Corporations that (allegedly) hate the straight, but it seems to be the kind of hate list that corporations are proud to be on!
What is astonishing is that they lie about what they were doing and then put next to lie the actual communications that show they are lying. For instance in the part about Netflix they state about Netflix telling them not to use Netflix IP to promote their march that "... threatened us with litigation if we did not stop using their name and logo, which is perfectly legal for editorial or informational purposes...." The email from Netflix makes it clear they are to stop using the Netflix IP to promote themselves.
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Um...If they're headed towards Roxbury unarmed, let them. They'll have a real rough time of things, of course, but maybe the Bloods that have taken over will teach them something.

Ya, organized gangs of violent blacks taking over an area will surely show the white supremacists the error of their thinking! Good one!
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What is astonishing is that they lie about what they were doing and then put next to lie the actual communications that show they are lying. For instance in the part about Netflix they state about Netflix telling them not to use Netflix IP to promote their march that "... threatened us with litigation if we did not stop using their name and logo, which is perfectly legal for editorial or informational purposes...." The email from Netflix makes it clear they are to stop using the Netflix IP to promote themselves.

That's the best kind of lying! Imagine Trump pulling out actual photos of the inauguration crowd whenever he lies about the biggest one ever!
And have you seen the super happy fun American comments?!
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Old 18th August 2019, 12:42 AM   #292
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Ya, organized gangs of violent blacks taking over an area will surely show the white supremacists the error of their thinking! Good one!

It actually will. It will show them one of the limits to their alleged supremacy.
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Ya, organized gangs of violent blacks taking over an area will surely show the white supremacists the error of their thinking! Good one!

It actually will. It will show them one of the limits to their alleged supremacy.

Nah.

We know from the past that even when huddled in the last of their bunkers with armies ravaging their homeland, even when sitting in the dock of an international tribunal confronted with the incontrovertible evidence of their crimes and failure, they will continue to believe in their innate superiority.

It isn't a belief rooted in logic or facts. It is visceral.
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Nah.

We know from the past that even when huddled in the last of their bunkers with armies ravaging their homeland, even when sitting in the dock of an international tribunal confronted with the incontrovertible evidence of their crimes and failure, they will continue to believe in their innate superiority.

It isn't a belief rooted in logic or facts. It is visceral.

Yes, but don't forget that at that point they've been reduced to an army of one:

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Hitler in '45: German people should perish (World News, Oct. 26, 2012)
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That's the best kind of lying! Imagine Trump pulling out actual photos of the inauguration crowd whenever he lies about the biggest one ever!

And have you seen the super happy fun American comments?!

I can’t tell if they’re trolling or just really, really stupid.
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Some of them are definitely trolling, and you're right: I may have been Poe'd by the btfo comment.
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It's today!

Boston Prepares For 'Straight Pride Parade' And Possible Protests (CBS Local)
Read Boston police’s advisory on Saturday’s 'Straight Pride Parade' (boston.com)
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A controversial "Straight Pride" parade is set to step off Saturday in Boston.
Its organizers say their group aims to advocate on behalf of the straight community, and the parade is inclusive and welcomes all. But the organizers and some featured guests have ties to far-right organizations, and many say the parade is a thinly veiled attempt to express anti-diversity sentiments.
What To Know About The 'Straight Pride Parade' Coming To Boston (WBUR, Aug. 29, 2019)

It can't come as a surprise to anybody that the organizers "have ties to far-right organizations," but why do these idiots think that they "advocate on behalf of the straight community"? lt must be the same misunderstanding as when white supremacists think that they represent a race.
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The Straight Pride Parade appears to be totally outnumbered by counter protesters:

Counterprotesters rally at City Hall as Straight Pride Parade kicks off in Copley (Boston Globe, Aug. 31, 2019)
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And men vastly outnumbering women.
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And men vastly outnumbering women.
As they should, the little woman being home tending to the kiddies and preparing dinner.
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Boston 'straight pride' parade dwarfed by large counter-protest (Guardian, Sep. 1, 2019)

'Straight Pride' parade in Boston draws counterprotesters (CNN, Sep. 1, 2019)

Boston ‘Straight Pride’ parade draws ‘oppressed majority,’ counter-protesters (Times of Israel, Sep. 1, 2019)

WCVB Channel 5 Boston: Aerial images: Controversial straight pride parade (Aug. 31, 2019)
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I tell you what: nothing warms the heart quite like seeing the counterprotestors dwarfing the a-hoes. Reassuring that whatever went wrong in the 2016 Presidential election, the good guys have snapped out of it and are mobilized to action. The battle lines are clearer than ever and one side clearly has the will of the people.
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I tell you what: nothing warms the heart quite like seeing the counterprotestors dwarfing the a-hoes. Reassuring that whatever went wrong in the 2016 Presidential election, the good guys have snapped out of it and are mobilized to action. The battle lines are clearer than ever and one side clearly has the will of the people.
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This observation probably won't make them like her more:

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Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) on Saturday called out participants in Boston's "Straight Pride Parade," saying it should have been called the "I-Struggle-With-Masculinity" parade.
"For men who are allegedly so 'proud' of being straight, they seem to show real incompetence at attracting women to their event," Ocasio-Cortez said in a tweet accompanied by a video showing marchers. "Seems more like a 'I-Struggle-With-Masculinity' parade to me."
Ocasio-Cortez mocks Boston 'Straight Pride Parade' over lack of women (The Hill, Sep. 1, 2019)
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This observation probably won't make them like her more:

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Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) on Saturday called out participants in Boston's "Straight Pride Parade," saying it should have been called the "I-Struggle-With-Masculinity" parade.
"For men who are allegedly so 'proud' of being straight, they seem to show real incompetence at attracting women to their event," Ocasio-Cortez said in a tweet accompanied by a video showing marchers. "Seems more like a 'I-Struggle-With-Masculinity' parade to me."
Ocasio-Cortez mocks Boston 'Straight Pride Parade' over lack of women (The Hill, Sep. 1, 2019)

Obviously, women just aren't as proud of being straight as real men are.

That just proves their inferiority.

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As much as I think the march is incredibly stupid, I am struggling to see why people bothered protesting it.
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'Straight Pride' parade in Boston draws counterprotesters (CNN)

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(CNN)A "Straight Pride" parade in downtown Boston attracted counterprotesters -- and a heavy police presence -- resulting in almost three dozen arrests.
A large number of counterprotesters taunted marchers Saturday and chanted "Alt right, get off our streets, no justice, no peace." Counterprotesters outnumbered the parade participants, CNN affiliate WCVB reported. Boston's mayor also condemned the parade, and encouraged residents to attend block parties and other events that celebrated the city.
Thirty-four people were arrested at the parade, said Boston Police Officer James Moccia, a department spokesman. Four officers also suffered non-life threatening injuries, he said.
Although CNN doesn't say so, it appears that those arrested were on the counterprotester side.

US police fire pepper spray after pro-Trump 'Straight Pride' parade (Yahoo News)
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Boston (AFP) - US police fired pepper spray Saturday after counter-demonstrators accused them of protecting "Straight Pride" advocates who support President Donald Trump, and refused to let officers re-open a road.
Let me pause here to note that the police are being accused of literally doing their job, which is to prevent violence on both sides, and yes, to protect people exercising their constitutional right to free speech.

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But after the "Straight Pride" group had dispersed, the counter-protesters accused police of protecting "Nazis," chanted "shame on you" and formed a human chain which police tried to get through, an AFP photographer said.

Officers fired pepper spray and made several arrests.
. . .

An AFP photographer saw the remains of several US flags that had been burned.

Before the more serious unrest, a couple of counter-demonstrators scuffled with police and threw dirt and eggs at them.
Analysis: A successful trolling. The counter-protesters appeared more violent, more unreasonable, less patriotic, less able to understand what free speech means than the marchers.
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Critics say the "Straight Pride" organizers are white-supremacists whose intent is to bait members of the LGBT community in Boston.
And if that was their intent, then they succeeded. The "bait" was taken.

BTW, I don't support anything that these marchers stand for. I just think that the response is not the proper response. Attacking the police, burning flags, violent acts. These all put the counter-demonstrations in a very bad light. The best response to a troll is to ignore them. Trolling is trying to provoke a negative response, and doing so is taking the bait that has been set forth.
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Old 1st September 2019, 09:02 PM   #312
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It can't come as a surprise to anybody that the organizers "have ties to far-right organizations," but why do these idiots think that they "advocate on behalf of the straight community"? lt must be the same misunderstanding as when white supremacists think that they represent a race.

What the hell is the straight community? Is it near the black community by any chance?
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If you look at the photos they appear to be as far from any black community as they can get:
Boston's Straight Pride Parade is a deranged veneration of toxic masculinity nobody asked for (NBC Opinion, Aug. 31, 2019)

But I like the clown with the sign:
'Straight Pride Parade' in Boston draws counterprotesters and heavy police presence (NBC News, Aug. 31, 2019)
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Originally Posted by Puppycow View Post
Analysis: A successful trolling. The counter-protesters appeared more violent, more unreasonable, less patriotic, less able to understand what free speech means than the marchers.

Yes, who isn't less patriotic than Nazis?
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Yes, who isn't less patriotic than Nazis?
Idiots doing a pointless march about being sexually straight to troll the left makes them Nazis?

The bar for being a Nazi seems to have gone down significantly.

Trouble for the left is they tend to always fall for and react to trolling.
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Originally Posted by sphenisc View Post
https://mobile.twitter.com/socialist...432744448?s=21

One person's description of events.

The dino with the Trump flag is great!
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Idiots doing a pointless march about being sexually straight to troll the left makes them Nazis?

The bar for being a Nazi seems to have gone down significantly.

Trouble for the left is they tend to always fall for and react to trolling.

No, being Nazis makes them Nazis! You didn't read a single one of the articles about the organizers and their friends?!
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No, being Nazis makes them Nazis! You didn't read a single one of the articles about the organizers and their friends?!
I was assuming that not everyone on it has that close a connection to the organisers.

But if you want to go that route

Does this mean every person protesting these things is a violent ANTIFA thug equivalent
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I was assuming that not everyone on it has that close a connection to the organisers.
If you're taking part in a parade organised by Nazis then you deserve to be labelled a Nazi IMO.

Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
But if you want to go that route

Does this mean every person protesting these things is a violent ANTIFA thug equivalent
I don't know. If it was clear that all the protests were organised by violent AntiFa (when did being an anti-Fascist become a bad thing by the way ?) thugs then if you join said protests then you deserve to be labelled as such.

It's a moot point because the protests had a broad support.
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If you're taking part in a parade organised by Nazis then you deserve to be labelled a Nazi IMO.



I don't know. If it was clear that all the protests were organised by violent AntiFa (when did being an anti-Fascist become a bad thing by the way ?) thugs then if you join said protests then you deserve to be labelled as such.

It's a moot point because the protests had a broad support.
Which logically would mean you think every one who voted for Trump not first finding out what a racist, misogynistic scumbag he is, should be labelled a racist, misogynistic scumbag.

Or does your rule vary?
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