White House Survivor - Page 61

Meadmaker · 20th June 2020, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by Babbylonian

Except for one tiny little thing: Unless they're run entirely by partisan hacks, courts generally want to hear reasons (they prefer good ones) for wildly unusual actions taken by government officials. This action is such a naked attempt to politicize the Justice Department that if it goes to court it will be pretty tough for a judge not to tell Barr to GTFO.

It's particularly unclothed given that the process was kicked off by the bald-faced lie that Berman was "stepping down." There's simply no getting around the obvious untruth of those words. It's passive-aggressive ******** that was almost certainly generated because there was some question as to whether Trump or Barr could fire film outright. The hope was likely that Berman would get the message and go away quietly, perhaps in the belief that fighting it would be more trouble than it's worth. Instead, they've given him the opportunity to parlay their ******** into a big step towards higher office by being the underdog crime-fighting hero.

That's true. I said it was a "losing" case, but I just meant that, ultimately, Barr/Trump will come out on top. Even if a judge rules that you can't fire him, he's still answerable to the executive branch, so they can certainly pull his funding or in other ways restrict his actions. He said his investigations will continue. I'm pretty sure Barr can make certain that doesn't happen.

However, on a personal level, that could end up a "win" for Berman, and if they overplay their hand as a loss for Trump/Barr.

Babbylonian · 20th June 2020, 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by Meadmaker

That's true. I said it was a "losing" case, but I just meant that, ultimately, Barr/Trump will come out on top. Even if a judge rules that you can't fire him, he's still answerable to the executive branch, so they can certainly pull his funding or in other ways restrict his actions. He said his investigations will continue. I'm pretty sure Barr can make certain that doesn't happen.

I get what you're saying, but pulling funding from ongoing investigations while/after fighting the US attorney presiding over those investigations is loud. What they wanted was to force a quiet resignation followed by quietly telling a [hopefully] compliant deputy to end/fatally slow down any politically undesirable cases. That would be followed by confirming the appointment of a replacement who would be just in time to announce a new groundbreaking investigation into one or more of Trump's political enemies.

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However, on a personal level, that could end up a "win" for Berman, and if they overplay their hand as a loss for Trump/Barr.

I think he's already got the personal win. If he's not running for a senate seat or a governorship in the next 2-4 years, I'll be shocked.

Segnosaur · 20th June 2020, 12:16 PM

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

Geoffrey Berman, Attorney for the SDNY, is getting replaced by Barr.
This would have nothing to do with him going after Guiliani's band or merry miscreants, would it?

Keeping mind that Berman was not some democrat... He actually donated to Trump's 2016 campaign.

I wonder if he can get his money back?

https://abc7ny.com/geoffrey-berman-r...trump/6257478/

(Admittedly it does reduce the sympathy I have for Berman... He supported an obvious conman for president... Did he think he would be immune to Trump's corruption?)

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Stacyhs · 20th June 2020, 01:09 PM

Barr has told Berman that Trump has fired him. However, it's very unclear as to whether Trump has that right. This could end up at the Supreme Court.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...rr/3229354001/

ETA: Why am I not surprised that Trump wants to replace Berman with someone who has no prosecutorial experience?

pgwenthold · 20th June 2020, 01:23 PM

The concept of obstruction of justice means nothing any more, does it?

Stacyhs · 20th June 2020, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by pgwenthold

The concept of obstruction of justice means nothing any more, does it?

Not in this administration.

If Biden wins, I expect Barr will be among the very first to go.

Skeptic Ginger · 20th June 2020, 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by pgwenthold

The concept of obstruction of justice means nothing any more, does it?

Let's hope it means something to the voters that matter.

Segnosaur · 20th June 2020, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

Not in this administration.

If Biden wins, I expect Barr will be among the very first to go.

Being a cabinet posting, the Attorney general always leaves when a president is replaced. He will leave at the same time Trump does.

(Well, unless he resigns or gets fired early.)

Trebuchet · 20th June 2020, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by Segnosaur

Being a cabinet posting, the Attorney general always leaves when a president is replaced. He will leave at the same time Trump does.

(Well, unless he resigns or gets fired early.)

Traditionally cabinet members resign when the new President takes office. Traditionally. I can well imagine them all refusing to do so, just to make trouble. There's nothing traditional about this administration.

Segnosaur · 22nd June 2020, 07:19 PM

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

Quote:

Being a cabinet posting, the Attorney general always leaves when a president is replaced. He will leave at the same time Trump does.

(Well, unless he resigns or gets fired early.)

Traditionally cabinet members resign when the new President takes office. Traditionally. I can well imagine them all refusing to do so, just to make trouble. There's nothing traditional about this administration.

I agree that this current administration is basically breaking all the norms for how the government should work.

But I really don't think cabinet members are able to stay on past the end of the president's term. These are not career public servants, they are individuals selected by the president to act as his personal advisors/minions/etc. They are members of the executive branch, which is identified with the president. It would make no sense for them to NEED to get fired after the president leaves office.

(I attempted to google anything about cabinet members having to officially resign at the end of the president's term but could find nothing. Perhaps you have some reference to back up your point?)

Regnad Kcin · 22nd June 2020, 08:00 PM

Originally Posted by Armitage72

I've seen people paraphrasing his response as "Go **** yourself."

https://i.imgur.com/0Uv5Je6.jpg

Did no one proofread that release? Yikes!

alfaniner · 22nd June 2020, 08:37 PM

Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin

Did no one proofread that release? Yikes!

Aside from an odd placement and perhaps overuse of commas in one sentence, I don't see a problem with it. I understand the phrasing he was trying to portray, but it is awkward reading at best.

dudalb · 22nd June 2020, 09:34 PM

Originally Posted by Segnosaur

I agree that this current administration is basically breaking all the norms for how the government should work.

But I really don't think cabinet members are able to stay on past the end of the president's term. These are not career public servants, they are individuals selected by the president to act as his personal advisors/minions/etc. They are members of the executive branch, which is identified with the president. It would make no sense for them to NEED to get fired after the president leaves office.

(I attempted to google anything about cabinet members having to officially resign at the end of the president's term but could find nothing. Perhaps you have some reference to back up your point?)

Even if they refuse to resign, once the new President takes office he can just fire them. They serve at the President's pleasure.

thaiboxerken · 23rd June 2020, 08:40 AM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

Not in this administration.

If Biden wins, I expect Barr will be among the very first to go.

Yes. The GOP will accuse Biden of putting in a partisan loyalist to replace a perfectly fine AG. In fact, everything Trump's doing will be projected onto Biden. They'll call Biden a dictator, authoritarian, corrupt politician, and con artists. They'll accuse him of appointing cronies and yes-men, of racism, and of dividing the nation.

That's their standard MO, but it'll be on steroids after Trump loses.

Trebuchet · 23rd June 2020, 08:50 AM

Originally Posted by Segnosaur

I agree that this current administration is basically breaking all the norms for how the government should work.

But I really don't think cabinet members are able to stay on past the end of the president's term. These are not career public servants, they are individuals selected by the president to act as his personal advisors/minions/etc. They are members of the executive branch, which is identified with the president. It would make no sense for them to NEED to get fired after the president leaves office.

(I attempted to google anything about cabinet members having to officially resign at the end of the president's term but could find nothing. Perhaps you have some reference to back up your point?)

Not off hand, I'd have to do some digging.

The other problem a Dem President is ~~likely~~ certain to have is getting the Senate to confirm his choices, especially if the R's retain control.

Babbylonian · 23rd June 2020, 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by Segnosaur

I agree that this current administration is basically breaking all the norms for how the government should work.

But I really don't think cabinet members are able to stay on past the end of the president's term. These are not career public servants, they are individuals selected by the president to act as his personal advisors/minions/etc. They are members of the executive branch, which is identified with the president. It would make no sense for them to NEED to get fired after the president leaves office.

(I attempted to google anything about cabinet members having to officially resign at the end of the president's term but could find nothing. Perhaps you have some reference to back up your point?)

You won't find anything because there is no requirement to resign. In fact, cabinet members could remain in office indefinitely if they don't resign and aren't fired.

The Don · 23rd June 2020, 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

Not off hand, I'd have to do some digging.

The other problem a Dem President is ~~likely~~ certain to have is getting the Senate to confirm his choices, especially if the R's retain control.

Yes,.a GOP controlled senate could ensure that any role that requires confirmation remains unfilled regardless of the candidate. They're also the kind of people to do it too.

pgwenthold · 23rd June 2020, 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by The Don

Yes,.a GOP controlled senate could ensure that any role that requires confirmation remains unfilled regardless of the candidate. They're also the kind of people to do it too.

He could just put people in the positions on an interim basis, like Trump has done.

CORed · 23rd June 2020, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

Not off hand, I'd have to do some digging.

The other problem a Dem President is ~~likely~~ certain to have is getting the Senate to confirm his choices, especially if the R's retain control.

I suspect that even with a Democratic majority, the Republicans will try to filibuster every appointment, unless the Dems get smart and just do away with the filibuster entirely. If the Republicans hold a Senate majority, I expect they will go to full scale obstruction of just about everything Biden or the House initiate, be it legislation or appointments, just as they did during most of the Obama administration.

quadraginta · 23rd June 2020, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by Babbylonian

You won't find anything because there is no requirement to resign. In fact, cabinet members could remain in office indefinitely if they don't resign and aren't fired.

I think (don't 'know') that it is customary for cabinet members to off their resignations to an incoming president. It's up to him whether he wants to accept them or not.

There are good reasons why a chief executive of good conscience and sincere motives might solicit the advice and support of experts who were not ideologically and politically aligned with his own personal beliefs, and accept their contributions without prejudice.

Sadly, Trump has not been one such. And it is doubtful that he will have left anyone in his cabinet who could offer any value to his replacement.

quadraginta · 23rd June 2020, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by CORed

I suspect that even with a Democratic majority, the Republicans will try to filibuster every appointment, unless the Dems get smart and just do away with the filibuster entirely. If the Republicans hold a Senate majority, I expect they will go to full scale obstruction of just about everything Biden or the House initiate, be it legislation or appointments, just as they did during most of the Obama administration.

So Biden will have a large collection of "acting" cabinet members,etc..

Thankfully for him there has been an abundance of recent precedent for that.

thaiboxerken · 23rd June 2020, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by quadraginta

So Biden will have a large collection of "acting" cabinet members,etc..

Thankfully for him there has been an abundance of recent precedent for that.

It won't stop the GOP from complaining about it as if it's never happened before.

Babbylonian · 23rd June 2020, 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by quadraginta

I think (don't 'know') that it is customary for cabinet members to off their resignations to an incoming president. It's up to him whether he wants to accept them or not.

Yes, it is customary. It's even customary for cabinet officers to offer re-elected presidents their resignations. That way, the president has the option to appoint new cabinet officers without the PR baggage of firing them or specifically requesting their resignations.

Still, let's hypothesize that the current attorney general was a brilliant, supremely ethical lawyer whom the next president would love to remain in that office. There's nothing stopping said next president from talking with said honorable AG and the two of them agreeing that there will be no resignation or firing and that this great, totally fictional AG would continue serving in that office.

The most famous and notorious example of indefinite (de facto lifetime) appointment isn't a cabinet-level position, but J. Edgar Hoover was the director of the FBI (and its predecessor) for 48 years until he [thankfully] died.

Delphic Oracle · 24th June 2020, 07:47 AM

Obama kept Gates on as Defense Secretary.

d4m10n · 24th June 2020, 10:10 AM

In recent days the DOJ has lost Brian A. Benczkowski (head of the criminal division), Joseph H. Hunt (head of the civil division) and Noel J. Francisco, solicitor general.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/16/u...jody-hunt.html

https://twitter.com/nytpolitics/stat...22799436832769

I've no idea why these guys are scurrying off the ship of state in rapid succession, presumably they have their reasons.

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Crossbow · 1st July 2020, 05:05 AM

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/trump-camp...041455477.html

This particular lackey assured Trump that the recent Tulsa stadium event would be overflowing with Trump supporters, it turned out that the Tulsa stadium was less than half full of Trump supporters.

Therefore, Michael Glassner has been flushed from his job and replaced with a different Trump lackey.

Trump campaign shakes up top staff after Tulsa rally debacle

Trump campaign chief operating officer Michael Glassner, who had been heavily involved in planning the president’s rallies, has been replaced by Trump's 2016 Arizona chair Jeff DeWit, a major shakeup at the top of the president’s campaign following the Tulsa rally debacle and four months from Election Day, multiple sources tell ABC News.

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The shake up and Glassner’s reassignment are in part a result of how badly things went in Tulsa, sources tell ABC News.

...

Jim_MDP · 1st July 2020, 11:08 PM

The Trump Admin should have an official motto.
Something like...
"No time like the present for updating the ol' resume."

Norman Alexander · 2nd July 2020, 01:40 AM

Just remember the Trump Admin Mission Statement: Don't **** it up...Full Stop.

[Thank you, Rue Paul]

Craig4 · 2nd July 2020, 02:45 AM

Originally Posted by Crossbow

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/trump-camp...041455477.html

This particular lackey assured Trump that the recent Tulsa stadium event would be overflowing with Trump supporters, it turned out that the Tulsa stadium was less than half full of Trump supporters.

Therefore, Michael Glassner has been flushed from his job and replaced with a different Trump lackey.

Trump campaign shakes up top staff after Tulsa rally debacle

Trump campaign chief operating officer Michael Glassner, who had been heavily involved in planning the president’s rallies, has been replaced by Trump's 2016 Arizona chair Jeff DeWit, a major shakeup at the top of the president’s campaign following the Tulsa rally debacle and four months from Election Day, multiple sources tell ABC News.

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The shake up and Glassner’s reassignment are in part a result of how badly things went in Tulsa, sources tell ABC News.

...

So a different monkey ******* the same football.

Segnosaur · 11th July 2020, 11:46 AM

Quote:

Geoffrey Berman, Attorney for the SDNY, is getting replaced by Barr.
This would have nothing to do with him going after Guiliani's band or merry miscreants, would it?

Related to that:

From: Politico
The Eastern District of New York has a new U.S. attorney. Seth DuCharme, a former senior official at Justice Department headquarters...was sworn in Friday by the district’s chief federal judge...Rich Donoghue, the former head of that office, resigned Friday. ...Donoghue will take a new role in Washington...DuCharme, meanwhile, is back in his old stomping ground. Before his stint at Main Justice, he was chief of the Criminal Division of the Brooklyn U.S. Attorney’s Office. He also was counsel to Barr, advising him on national security issues.

Notice what was missing? Confirmation by the senate (along with the traditional veto power given over attorneys to senators from the state).

So, Barr has once again managed to install one of "his own" people in what could be a key legal position (just as he did in washington, and just as he tried to do in the southern district of NY.)

a_unique_person · 15th July 2020, 07:22 PM

Trumps campaign manager sacked.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tru...-brad-parscale

Norman Alexander · 15th July 2020, 10:35 PM

Originally Posted by a_unique_person

Trumps campaign manager sacked.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tru...-brad-parscale

Any original players left in the team? Miller is the only one I can think of.

Segnosaur · 16th July 2020, 04:59 AM

Originally Posted by a_unique_person

Trumps campaign manager sacked.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tru...-brad-parscale

Almost enough to make you feel sorry for him.

After all, Trump's unpopularity results from things trump himself has done. And even if Parscale had some great plan to reverse the decline, it is doubtful Trump would actually listen.

But then I realize he openly supports a racist con-artist, and realize that he deserves the humiliation.

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d4m10n · 16th July 2020, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

Any original players left in the team? Miller is the only one I can think of.

Other than Miller, no one outside the family comes to mind...

Trebuchet · 16th July 2020, 11:52 AM

Who is that guy, anyhow? And will he survive the convention?

Norman Alexander · 23rd August 2020, 09:09 PM

Catching this one up.

Have we mentioned Herman Cain? In the Survivor game, he...well...didn't.

Norman Alexander · 23rd August 2020, 09:10 PM

And as noted elsewhere, Kellyanne Conway.

I actually admire her for keeping a straight face for so long.

Matthew Ellard · 23rd August 2020, 11:19 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

And as noted elsewhere, Kellyanne Conway.I actually admire her for keeping a straight face for so long.

I'm going to miss Kellyanne's exquisite taste in fashion inspired by the USA's war of independence.

Norman Alexander · 23rd August 2020, 11:22 PM

Originally Posted by Matthew Ellard

I'm going to miss Kellyanne's exquisite taste in fashion inspired by the USA's war of independence.

You know how the British redcoats had a big white cross on their uniforms to act as a target?

...about that hat!

Meadmaker · 24th August 2020, 06:59 AM

Originally Posted by Matthew Ellard

I'm going to miss Kellyanne's exquisite taste in fashion inspired by the USA's war of independence.

I loved that outfit. Cosplay comes to the White House. Very fashionable and expensive cosplay, but cosplay nonetheless.

20th June 2020, 12:16 PM	#2403
Segnosaur Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 18,686	Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza Geoffrey Berman, Attorney for the SDNY, is getting replaced by Barr. This would have nothing to do with him going after Guiliani's band or merry miscreants, would it? Keeping mind that Berman was not some democrat... He actually donated to Trump's 2016 campaign. I wonder if he can get his money back? https://abc7ny.com/geoffrey-berman-r...trump/6257478/ (Admittedly it does reduce the sympathy I have for Berman... He supported an obvious conman for president... Did he think he would be immune to Trump's corruption?) Sent from my LM-X320 using Tapatalk
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20th June 2020, 01:09 PM	#2404
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 24,879	Barr has told Berman that Trump has fired him. However, it's very unclear as to whether Trump has that right. This could end up at the Supreme Court. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...rr/3229354001/ ETA: Why am I not surprised that Trump wants to replace Berman with someone who has no prosecutorial experience?
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20th June 2020, 01:23 PM	#2405
pgwenthold Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 20,643	The concept of obstruction of justice means nothing any more, does it?
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20th June 2020, 02:44 PM	#2408
Segnosaur Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 18,686	Originally Posted by Stacyhs Not in this administration. If Biden wins, I expect Barr will be among the very first to go. Being a cabinet posting, the Attorney general always leaves when a president is replaced. He will leave at the same time Trump does. (Well, unless he resigns or gets fired early.)
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20th June 2020, 02:49 PM	#2409
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 33,952	Originally Posted by Segnosaur Being a cabinet posting, the Attorney general always leaves when a president is replaced. He will leave at the same time Trump does. (Well, unless he resigns or gets fired early.) Traditionally cabinet members resign when the new President takes office. Traditionally. I can well imagine them all refusing to do so, just to make trouble. There's nothing traditional about this administration.
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20th June 2020, 10:15 AM	#2401
Meadmaker Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 28,739	Originally Posted by Babbylonian Except for one tiny little thing: Unless they're run entirely by partisan hacks, courts generally want to hear reasons (they prefer good ones) for wildly unusual actions taken by government officials. This action is such a naked attempt to politicize the Justice Department that if it goes to court it will be pretty tough for a judge not to tell Barr to GTFO. It's particularly unclothed given that the process was kicked off by the bald-faced lie that Berman was "stepping down." There's simply no getting around the obvious untruth of those words. It's passive-aggressive ****** that was almost certainly generated because there was some question as to whether Trump or Barr could fire film outright. The hope was likely that Berman would get the message and go away quietly, perhaps in the belief that fighting it would be more trouble than it's worth. Instead, they've given him the opportunity to parlay their ****** into a big step towards higher office by being the underdog crime-fighting hero. That's true. I said it was a "losing" case, but I just meant that, ultimately, Barr/Trump will come out on top. Even if a judge rules that you can't fire him, he's still answerable to the executive branch, so they can certainly pull his funding or in other ways restrict his actions. He said his investigations will continue. I'm pretty sure Barr can make certain that doesn't happen. However, on a personal level, that could end up a "win" for Berman, and if they overplay their hand as a loss for Trump/Barr.

20th June 2020, 10:30 AM	#2402
Babbylonian Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 13,867	Originally Posted by Meadmaker That's true. I said it was a "losing" case, but I just meant that, ultimately, Barr/Trump will come out on top. Even if a judge rules that you can't fire him, he's still answerable to the executive branch, so they can certainly pull his funding or in other ways restrict his actions. He said his investigations will continue. I'm pretty sure Barr can make certain that doesn't happen. I get what you're saying, but pulling funding from ongoing investigations while/after fighting the US attorney presiding over those investigations is loud. What they wanted was to force a quiet resignation followed by quietly telling a [hopefully] compliant deputy to end/fatally slow down any politically undesirable cases. That would be followed by confirming the appointment of a replacement who would be just in time to announce a new groundbreaking investigation into one or more of Trump's political enemies. Quote: However, on a personal level, that could end up a "win" for Berman, and if they overplay their hand as a loss for Trump/Barr. I think he's already got the personal win. If he's not running for a senate seat or a governorship in the next 2-4 years, I'll be shocked.

20th June 2020, 01:26 PM	#2406
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 24,879	Originally Posted by pgwenthold The concept of obstruction of justice means nothing any more, does it? Not in this administration. If Biden wins, I expect Barr will be among the very first to go.

20th June 2020, 01:44 PM	#2407
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 91,605	Originally Posted by pgwenthold The concept of obstruction of justice means nothing any more, does it? Let's hope it means something to the voters that matter.

22nd June 2020, 07:19 PM	#2410
Segnosaur Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 18,686	Originally Posted by Trebuchet Quote: Being a cabinet posting, the Attorney general always leaves when a president is replaced. He will leave at the same time Trump does. (Well, unless he resigns or gets fired early.) Traditionally cabinet members resign when the new President takes office. Traditionally. I can well imagine them all refusing to do so, just to make trouble. There's nothing traditional about this administration. I agree that this current administration is basically breaking all the norms for how the government should work. But I really don't think cabinet members are able to stay on past the end of the president's term. These are not career public servants, they are individuals selected by the president to act as his personal advisors/minions/etc. They are members of the executive branch, which is identified with the president. It would make no sense for them to NEED to get fired after the president leaves office. (I attempted to google anything about cabinet members having to officially resign at the end of the president's term but could find nothing. Perhaps you have some reference to back up your point?)
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22nd June 2020, 08:00 PM	#2411
Regnad Kcin Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: New York Posts: 10,562	Originally Posted by Armitage72 I've seen people paraphrasing his response as "Go **** yourself." https://i.imgur.com/0Uv5Je6.jpg Did no one proofread that release? Yikes!
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22nd June 2020, 08:37 PM	#2412
alfaniner Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Sorth Dakonsin Posts: 26,600	Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin Did no one proofread that release? Yikes! Aside from an odd placement and perhaps overuse of commas in one sentence, I don't see a problem with it. I understand the phrasing he was trying to portray, but it is awkward reading at best.
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22nd June 2020, 09:34 PM	#2413
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 54,926	Originally Posted by Segnosaur I agree that this current administration is basically breaking all the norms for how the government should work. But I really don't think cabinet members are able to stay on past the end of the president's term. These are not career public servants, they are individuals selected by the president to act as his personal advisors/minions/etc. They are members of the executive branch, which is identified with the president. It would make no sense for them to NEED to get fired after the president leaves office. (I attempted to google anything about cabinet members having to officially resign at the end of the president's term but could find nothing. Perhaps you have some reference to back up your point?) Even if they refuse to resign, once the new President takes office he can just fire them. They serve at the President's pleasure.
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23rd June 2020, 08:40 AM	#2414
thaiboxerken Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 32,107	Originally Posted by Stacyhs Not in this administration. If Biden wins, I expect Barr will be among the very first to go. Yes. The GOP will accuse Biden of putting in a partisan loyalist to replace a perfectly fine AG. In fact, everything Trump's doing will be projected onto Biden. They'll call Biden a dictator, authoritarian, corrupt politician, and con artists. They'll accuse him of appointing cronies and yes-men, of racism, and of dividing the nation. That's their standard MO, but it'll be on steroids after Trump loses.
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23rd June 2020, 08:50 AM	#2415
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 33,952	Originally Posted by Segnosaur I agree that this current administration is basically breaking all the norms for how the government should work. But I really don't think cabinet members are able to stay on past the end of the president's term. These are not career public servants, they are individuals selected by the president to act as his personal advisors/minions/etc. They are members of the executive branch, which is identified with the president. It would make no sense for them to NEED to get fired after the president leaves office. (I attempted to google anything about cabinet members having to officially resign at the end of the president's term but could find nothing. Perhaps you have some reference to back up your point?) Not off hand, I'd have to do some digging. The other problem a Dem President is ~~likely~~ certain to have is getting the Senate to confirm his choices, especially if the R's retain control.
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23rd June 2020, 10:17 AM	#2416
Babbylonian Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 13,867	Originally Posted by Segnosaur I agree that this current administration is basically breaking all the norms for how the government should work. But I really don't think cabinet members are able to stay on past the end of the president's term. These are not career public servants, they are individuals selected by the president to act as his personal advisors/minions/etc. They are members of the executive branch, which is identified with the president. It would make no sense for them to NEED to get fired after the president leaves office. (I attempted to google anything about cabinet members having to officially resign at the end of the president's term but could find nothing. Perhaps you have some reference to back up your point?) You won't find anything because there is no requirement to resign. In fact, cabinet members could remain in office indefinitely if they don't resign and aren't fired.

23rd June 2020, 10:55 AM	#2417
The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 34,176	Originally Posted by Trebuchet Not off hand, I'd have to do some digging. The other problem a Dem President is ~~likely~~ certain to have is getting the Senate to confirm his choices, especially if the R's retain control. Yes,.a GOP controlled senate could ensure that any role that requires confirmation remains unfilled regardless of the candidate. They're also the kind of people to do it too.

23rd June 2020, 11:07 AM	#2418
pgwenthold Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 20,643	Originally Posted by The Don Yes,.a GOP controlled senate could ensure that any role that requires confirmation remains unfilled regardless of the candidate. They're also the kind of people to do it too. He could just put people in the positions on an interim basis, like Trump has done.
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23rd June 2020, 11:28 AM	#2419
CORed Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Central City, Colorado, USA Posts: 10,479	Originally Posted by Trebuchet Not off hand, I'd have to do some digging. The other problem a Dem President is ~~likely~~ certain to have is getting the Senate to confirm his choices, especially if the R's retain control. I suspect that even with a Democratic majority, the Republicans will try to filibuster every appointment, unless the Dems get smart and just do away with the filibuster entirely. If the Republicans hold a Senate majority, I expect they will go to full scale obstruction of just about everything Biden or the House initiate, be it legislation or appointments, just as they did during most of the Obama administration.

23rd June 2020, 02:20 PM	#2420
quadraginta Becoming Beth Join Date: May 2009 Location: Central Vale of Humility (USA, sort of) Posts: 26,614	Originally Posted by Babbylonian You won't find anything because there is no requirement to resign. In fact, cabinet members could remain in office indefinitely if they don't resign and aren't fired. I think (don't 'know') that it is customary for cabinet members to off their resignations to an incoming president. It's up to him whether he wants to accept them or not. There are good reasons why a chief executive of good conscience and sincere motives might solicit the advice and support of experts who were not ideologically and politically aligned with his own personal beliefs, and accept their contributions without prejudice. Sadly, Trump has not been one such. And it is doubtful that he will have left anyone in his cabinet who could offer any value to his replacement.
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23rd June 2020, 02:23 PM	#2421
quadraginta Becoming Beth Join Date: May 2009 Location: Central Vale of Humility (USA, sort of) Posts: 26,614	Originally Posted by CORed I suspect that even with a Democratic majority, the Republicans will try to filibuster every appointment, unless the Dems get smart and just do away with the filibuster entirely. If the Republicans hold a Senate majority, I expect they will go to full scale obstruction of just about everything Biden or the House initiate, be it legislation or appointments, just as they did during most of the Obama administration. So Biden will have a large collection of "acting" cabinet members,etc.. Thankfully for him there has been an abundance of recent precedent for that.
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23rd June 2020, 02:28 PM	#2422
thaiboxerken Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 32,107	Originally Posted by quadraginta So Biden will have a large collection of "acting" cabinet members,etc.. Thankfully for him there has been an abundance of recent precedent for that. It won't stop the GOP from complaining about it as if it's never happened before.
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23rd June 2020, 02:58 PM	#2423
Babbylonian Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 13,867	Originally Posted by quadraginta I think (don't 'know') that it is customary for cabinet members to off their resignations to an incoming president. It's up to him whether he wants to accept them or not. Yes, it is customary. It's even customary for cabinet officers to offer re-elected presidents their resignations. That way, the president has the option to appoint new cabinet officers without the PR baggage of firing them or specifically requesting their resignations. Still, let's hypothesize that the current attorney general was a brilliant, supremely ethical lawyer whom the next president would love to remain in that office. There's nothing stopping said next president from talking with said honorable AG and the two of them agreeing that there will be no resignation or firing and that this great, totally fictional AG would continue serving in that office. The most famous and notorious example of indefinite (de facto lifetime) appointment isn't a cabinet-level position, but J. Edgar Hoover was the director of the FBI (and its predecessor) for 48 years until he [thankfully] died.

24th June 2020, 07:47 AM	#2424
Delphic Oracle Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2016 Posts: 6,103	Obama kept Gates on as Defense Secretary.

24th June 2020, 10:10 AM	#2425
d4m10n Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Mounts Farm Posts: 8,654	In recent days the DOJ has lost Brian A. Benczkowski (head of the criminal division), Joseph H. Hunt (head of the civil division) and Noel J. Francisco, solicitor general. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/16/u...jody-hunt.html https://twitter.com/nytpolitics/stat...22799436832769 I've no idea why these guys are scurrying off the ship of state in rapid succession, presumably they have their reasons. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N920A using Tapatalk
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1st July 2020, 05:05 AM	#2426
Crossbow Seeking Honesty and Sanity Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Charleston, WV Posts: 14,036	https://www.yahoo.com/gma/trump-camp...041455477.html This particular lackey assured Trump that the recent Tulsa stadium event would be overflowing with Trump supporters, it turned out that the Tulsa stadium was less than half full of Trump supporters. Therefore, Michael Glassner has been flushed from his job and replaced with a different Trump lackey. Trump campaign shakes up top staff after Tulsa rally debacle Trump campaign chief operating officer Michael Glassner, who had been heavily involved in planning the president’s rallies, has been replaced by Trump's 2016 Arizona chair Jeff DeWit, a major shakeup at the top of the president’s campaign following the Tulsa rally debacle and four months from Election Day, multiple sources tell ABC News. ... The shake up and Glassner’s reassignment are in part a result of how badly things went in Tulsa, sources tell ABC News. ...
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1st July 2020, 11:08 PM	#2427
Jim_MDP Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: N.Cal/S.Or Posts: 8,937	The Trump Admin should have an official motto. Something like... "No time like the present for updating the ol' resume."
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2nd July 2020, 01:40 AM	#2428
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Gundungurra Posts: 11,742	Just remember the Trump Admin Mission Statement: Don't **** it up...Full Stop. [Thank you, Rue Paul]
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2nd July 2020, 02:45 AM	#2429
Craig4 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: I live in a swamp Posts: 25,169	Originally Posted by Crossbow https://www.yahoo.com/gma/trump-camp...041455477.html This particular lackey assured Trump that the recent Tulsa stadium event would be overflowing with Trump supporters, it turned out that the Tulsa stadium was less than half full of Trump supporters. Therefore, Michael Glassner has been flushed from his job and replaced with a different Trump lackey. Trump campaign shakes up top staff after Tulsa rally debacle Trump campaign chief operating officer Michael Glassner, who had been heavily involved in planning the president’s rallies, has been replaced by Trump's 2016 Arizona chair Jeff DeWit, a major shakeup at the top of the president’s campaign following the Tulsa rally debacle and four months from Election Day, multiple sources tell ABC News. ... The shake up and Glassner’s reassignment are in part a result of how badly things went in Tulsa, sources tell ABC News. ... So a different monkey ******* the same football.
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11th July 2020, 11:46 AM	#2430
Segnosaur Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 18,686	Quote: Geoffrey Berman, Attorney for the SDNY, is getting replaced by Barr. This would have nothing to do with him going after Guiliani's band or merry miscreants, would it? Related to that: From: Politico The Eastern District of New York has a new U.S. attorney. Seth DuCharme, a former senior official at Justice Department headquarters...was sworn in Friday by the district’s chief federal judge...Rich Donoghue, the former head of that office, resigned Friday. ...Donoghue will take a new role in Washington...DuCharme, meanwhile, is back in his old stomping ground. Before his stint at Main Justice, he was chief of the Criminal Division of the Brooklyn U.S. Attorney’s Office. He also was counsel to Barr, advising him on national security issues. Notice what was missing? Confirmation by the senate (along with the traditional veto power given over attorneys to senators from the state). So, Barr has once again managed to install one of "his own" people in what could be a key legal position (just as he did in washington, and just as he tried to do in the southern district of NY.)
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15th July 2020, 07:22 PM	#2431
a_unique_person Director of Hatcheries and Conditioning Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Waiting for the pod bay door to open. Posts: 44,046	Trumps campaign manager sacked. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tru...-brad-parscale
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15th July 2020, 10:35 PM	#2432
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Gundungurra Posts: 11,742	Originally Posted by a_unique_person Trumps campaign manager sacked. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tru...-brad-parscale Any original players left in the team? Miller is the only one I can think of.
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16th July 2020, 04:59 AM	#2433
Segnosaur Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 18,686	Originally Posted by a_unique_person Trumps campaign manager sacked. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tru...-brad-parscale Almost enough to make you feel sorry for him. After all, Trump's unpopularity results from things trump himself has done. And even if Parscale had some great plan to reverse the decline, it is doubtful Trump would actually listen. But then I realize he openly supports a racist con-artist, and realize that he deserves the humiliation. Sent from my LM-X320 using Tapatalk
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16th July 2020, 11:25 AM	#2434
d4m10n Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Mounts Farm Posts: 8,654	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander Any original players left in the team? Miller is the only one I can think of. Other than Miller, no one outside the family comes to mind...
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16th July 2020, 11:52 AM	#2435
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 33,952	Who is that guy, anyhow? And will he survive the convention?
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