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GlennB · 7th October 2021, 10:21 AM

This will probably come as no surprise at all, but ...

"Private hospitals treated a total of just eight Covid patients a day during the pandemic despite a multi-billion pound deal with the government to help stop the NHS being overwhelmed, a report reveals."

Full article

Carrot Flower King · 7th October 2021, 10:24 AM

^ Just poppped in to post that one: yeah, absolutely no surprise at all.

Captain_Swoop · 7th October 2021, 11:42 AM

Tory MP Peter Bottomley has stood by comments he made about MPs struggling to get by and needing more pay.
The MP faced an angry backlash over the claims, with Labour accusing him of being out of touch.

But Sir Peter said the comments were part of a broader interview in which he also expressed concern about universal credit cuts.
He said he was trying to make the point that increasing MPs' salaries from the current average of just over £80,000 a year would make it easier to widen the pool of people interested in changing careers to become parliamentarians, without having to take a pay cut.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58830792

catsmate · 7th October 2021, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Tory MP Peter Bottomley has stood by comments he made about MPs struggling to get by and needing more pay.
The MP faced an angry backlash over the claims, with Labour accusing him of being out of touch.

But Sir Peter said the comments were part of a broader interview in which he also expressed concern about universal credit cuts.
He said he was trying to make the point that increasing MPs' salaries from the current average of just over £80,000 a year would make it easier to widen the pool of people interested in changing careers to become parliamentarians, without having to take a pay cut.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58830792

Are they the kind of people you want to attract?

Worm · 7th October 2021, 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by catsmate

Are they the kind of people you want to attract?

That was my immediate reaction. I'm not sure that there is any evidence to show that increasing the pool of former company directors, hedge fund managers and Eton old boys slightly wider is really the transformative revolution that we need in our political system.

Vixen · 8th October 2021, 12:31 AM

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Boris: "Otters are returning to rivers from which they have been absent for decades, beavers that have not been seen on some rivers since Tudor times are now back.

"Build back beaver," he says.

No comment.

P.J. Denyer · 10th October 2021, 04:25 AM

Just when we thought there were no Brexit Benefits we've seen the return of a fine old Great British Tradition™ that of crooks fleeing to the Costa del Sol when the heat is on. How many years was Ronnie Biggs out there? Maybe Johnson should aim for that record rather than Thatcher's years in office.

boris-johnson-jets-holiday

Captain_Swoop · 10th October 2021, 04:52 AM

Ronnie was in Brazil.

P.J. Denyer · 11th October 2021, 02:42 AM

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Ronnie was in Brazil.

My mistake, but thank you. I know the Costas were the usual place and was too lazy to research past my somewhat hazy memory!

The Don · 11th October 2021, 03:29 AM

nvm.

The Don · 11th October 2021, 03:30 AM

I wonder if Boris Johnson will declare a fair value for the accommodation he is receiving from Zac Goldsmith.

KDLarsen · 11th October 2021, 11:26 AM

I thought some might like this.

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Captain_Swoop · 12th October 2021, 02:02 PM

Matt Hancock tweeted

@MattHancock
Honoured to be appointed United Nations Special Representative.
I’ll be working with the @UN @ECA_OFFICIAL to help African economic recovery from the pandemic and promote sustainable development.

Captain_Swoop · 12th October 2021, 02:03 PM

Today it was announced that his response to the pandemic was the worst public health crisis in memory.

Now he's put in charge of a whole continent’s economic recovery.

KDLarsen · 13th October 2021, 12:38 AM

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Today it was announced that his response to the pandemic was the worst public health crisis in memory.

Now he's put in charge of a whole continent’s economic recovery.

It gets even worse when you read stuff like this

Quote:

The UN under secretary general, Vera Songwe, said Hancock’s “success” in handling the UK’s pandemic response was a testament to the strengths he would bring to the role.

Succes?!

Pixel42 · 13th October 2021, 12:44 AM

Hancock was actually pretty quick off the mark in ordering large quantities of several different vaccines (whose efficacy was not yet known), and then had the good sense to leave the actual rollout of them to the people who knew how to do it.

It's just about the only thing he, and indeed the current government, did get right.

Captain_Swoop · 14th October 2021, 04:19 AM

News story saying Truss and Raab are going to 'share a house'

It's a 115 room mansion!

ohms · 15th October 2021, 06:12 AM

Tory MP David Amess has been stabbed at a constituency surgery:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58929453

zooterkin · 15th October 2021, 07:37 AM

Originally Posted by ohms

Tory MP David Amess has been stabbed at a constituency surgery:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58929453

Fatally.

Lothian · 15th October 2021, 08:12 AM

It is a shame. He was a timeless campaigner against drugs. He even asked a question in parliament on cake.

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catsmate · 15th October 2021, 08:45 AM

Originally Posted by Lothian

It is a shame. He was a timeless campaigner against drugs. He even asked a question in parliament on cake.

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That's how I remember him. An idiot. Though I wasn't aware of his (later retracted) Weinstein-related comments.

Darat · 15th October 2021, 09:22 AM

Wonder if it was an assassination?

ohms · 15th October 2021, 11:12 AM

I see the murder has it's own thread:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...d.php?t=354843

Parsman · 16th October 2021, 04:45 AM

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Matt Hancock tweeted

@MattHancock
Honoured to be appointed United Nations Special Representative.
I’ll be working with the @UN @ECA_OFFICIAL to help African economic recovery from the pandemic and promote sustainable development.

If it wasn't before, Africa is ********d if little Matty is getting involved.

Pixel42 · 16th October 2021, 05:17 AM

Originally Posted by Parsman

If it wasn't before, Africa is ********d if little Matty is getting involved.

https://mobile.twitter.com/i/web/sta...13761622380550

Quote:

Matt Hancock UN appointment “not taken forward”, UN spokesman tells UN news organisation Pass Blue

Darat · 16th October 2021, 05:23 AM

Are we surprised he mucked-up his own job? It seems to be pretty much the definition of his “career”.

Vixen · 16th October 2021, 05:34 AM

Originally Posted by Pixel42

https://mobile.twitter.com/i/web/sta...13761622380550

Whoops.

Parsman · 16th October 2021, 07:10 AM

Alas poor Matt, Africa barely knew you!

Carrot Flower King · 16th October 2021, 10:03 AM

The line given on PM just now is something to do with sitting MPs not being able to take up such jobs...Unlike all those other jobs sitting MPs manage to do on top of their supposedly hugely demanding job in Westminster for that paltry salary of £80+k and all those expenses.

Nice to know that the UN has some better standards than our Parliament...

Captain_Swoop · 17th October 2021, 04:34 AM

Wasn’t Gordon Brown a UN rep whilst still an MP?

He was indeed. Special envoy in 2012, MP until 2015.

I think they binned him off. I don’t believe his statement.

Carrot Flower King · 17th October 2021, 05:23 AM

^ Apparently Brown was allowed to be a UN envoy as he'd announced his intention to leave Parliament at the next election, as he duly did. Hancock has said he has no intention of giving up his £80k+ and all his housing expenses paid sinecure and wanted to showboat for the UN while we carried on paying for the useless ******.

Vixen · 18th October 2021, 08:28 AM

Hey guys.

Honoured to have been appointed United Nations Special Representative - oh wait, just had an email...

Ah, 'We regret to inform you we will not be taking your appointment forward.'

Ahem. Well I didn't want the post anyway, as there is a little known rule that says I am not allowed to, anyway. Somewhere.

<sfx> smashing plates, screaming, crying.

jimbob · 18th October 2021, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King

^ Apparently Brown was allowed to be a UN envoy as he'd announced his intention to leave Parliament at the next election, as he duly did. Hancock has said he has no intention of giving up his £80k+ and all his housing expenses paid sinecure and wanted to showboat for the UN while we carried on paying for the useless ******.

I'm shocked and surprised.

To learn that Hancock seems to have told the truth.

junkshop · 18th October 2021, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by jimbob

I'm shocked and surprised.

To learn that Hancock seems to have told the truth.

I'm sure he's deeply ashamed, and will endeavour not to repeat his mistake.

Captain_Swoop · 19th October 2021, 04:32 AM

Why do I think the cost of having Heat Pumps installed will rise by £5000

wobs · 19th October 2021, 05:50 AM

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Why do I think the cost of having Heat Pumps installed will rise by £5000

Aside from the fact that they won't be effectve for a sizeable portion of UK houses. Ours for an eg. is a solid walled Edwardian house in a conservation area, so will be pretty useless.

Forgive my naivity, but heat pumps have long been rejected by those in the know for most homes, and its generally been the consensus that we'll be injecting hydorgen into the gas network to lower the carbon footprint of heating our homes.

The Don · 19th October 2021, 05:58 AM

Originally Posted by wobs

Aside from the fact that they won't be effectve for a sizeable portion of UK houses. Ours for an eg. is a solid walled Edwardian house in a conservation area, so will be pretty useless.

Forgive my naivity, but heat pumps have long been rejected by those in the know for most homes, and its generally been the consensus that we'll be injecting hydorgen into the gas network to lower the carbon footprint of heating our homes.

That's my impression as well. Heat pumps work well for buildings with very low demands for heat, ideally with underfloor heating. If buildings are constructed from the start with that in mind then happy days but the government is proposing to have these things installed in the current UK housing stock.

It only becomes a commercial proposition if the price of gas rises even further but then that will also have an impact on the cost of the electricity required to run heat pumps.

AIUI for most of the year water will need to be heated with an immersion heater because it won't get hot enough from the heat pump.

wobs · 19th October 2021, 06:19 AM

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-58899006

Quote:

It looks unlikely that there will be much hydrogen left over to heat people's homes, which is why the government is postponing any decision about hydrogen boilers until 2026.

So when they increase the capacity of hydrogen production, they'll start injecting it into the gas network. Not a huge surprise.

catsmate · 19th October 2021, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by wobs

Aside from the fact that they won't be effectve for a sizeable portion of UK houses. Ours for an eg. is a solid walled Edwardian house in a conservation area, so will be pretty useless.

Forgive my naivity, but heat pumps have long been rejected by those in the know for most homes, and its generally been the consensus that we'll be injecting hydorgen into the gas network to lower the carbon footprint of heating our homes.

That should be fun given the diffusion habits of molecular hydrogen. Who'll be paying for the charges to the distribution network I wonder.

Vixen · 19th October 2021, 02:07 PM

Imagine Mark Francois wanting to do away with anonymity on social media whilst at the same time demanding anonymity in an MP's <ahem!> recent rape case.

7th October 2021, 10:21 AM	#2081
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7th October 2021, 12:17 PM	#2084
catsmate No longer the 1 Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 26,914	Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop Tory MP Peter Bottomley has stood by comments he made about MPs struggling to get by and needing more pay. The MP faced an angry backlash over the claims, with Labour accusing him of being out of touch. But Sir Peter said the comments were part of a broader interview in which he also expressed concern about universal credit cuts. He said he was trying to make the point that increasing MPs' salaries from the current average of just over £80,000 a year would make it easier to widen the pool of people interested in changing careers to become parliamentarians, without having to take a pay cut. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58830792 Are they the kind of people you want to attract?
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7th October 2021, 03:28 PM	#2085
Worm Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Dundee Posts: 3,427	Originally Posted by catsmate Are they the kind of people you want to attract? That was my immediate reaction. I'm not sure that there is any evidence to show that increasing the pool of former company directors, hedge fund managers and Eton old boys slightly wider is really the transformative revolution that we need in our political system.
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8th October 2021, 12:31 AM	#2086
Vixen Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 28,937	Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop Boris: "Otters are returning to rivers from which they have been absent for decades, beavers that have not been seen on some rivers since Tudor times are now back. "Build back beaver," he says. No comment.
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10th October 2021, 04:25 AM	#2087
P.J. Denyer Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 8,704	Just when we thought there were no Brexit Benefits we've seen the return of a fine old Great British Tradition™ that of crooks fleeing to the Costa del Sol when the heat is on. How many years was Ronnie Biggs out there? Maybe Johnson should aim for that record rather than Thatcher's years in office. boris-johnson-jets-holiday
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7th October 2021, 10:24 AM	#2082
Carrot Flower King Master Poster Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: Northumberland, UK Posts: 2,384	^ Just poppped in to post that one: yeah, absolutely no surprise at all.

7th October 2021, 11:42 AM	#2083
Captain_Swoop Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 42,166	Tory MP Peter Bottomley has stood by comments he made about MPs struggling to get by and needing more pay. The MP faced an angry backlash over the claims, with Labour accusing him of being out of touch. But Sir Peter said the comments were part of a broader interview in which he also expressed concern about universal credit cuts. He said he was trying to make the point that increasing MPs' salaries from the current average of just over £80,000 a year would make it easier to widen the pool of people interested in changing careers to become parliamentarians, without having to take a pay cut. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58830792

10th October 2021, 04:52 AM	#2088
Captain_Swoop Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 42,166	Ronnie was in Brazil.

11th October 2021, 02:42 AM	#2089
P.J. Denyer Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 8,704	Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop Ronnie was in Brazil. My mistake, but thank you. I know the Costas were the usual place and was too lazy to research past my somewhat hazy memory!
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11th October 2021, 03:29 AM	#2090
The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 34,177	nvm.
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11th October 2021, 03:30 AM	#2091
The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 34,177	I wonder if Boris Johnson will declare a fair value for the accommodation he is receiving from Zac Goldsmith.

12th October 2021, 02:02 PM	#2093
Captain_Swoop Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 42,166	Matt Hancock tweeted @MattHancock Honoured to be appointed United Nations Special Representative. I’ll be working with the @UN @ECA_OFFICIAL to help African economic recovery from the pandemic and promote sustainable development.

12th October 2021, 02:03 PM	#2094
Captain_Swoop Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 42,166	Today it was announced that his response to the pandemic was the worst public health crisis in memory. Now he's put in charge of a whole continent’s economic recovery.

13th October 2021, 12:38 AM	#2095
KDLarsen Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 4,726	Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop Today it was announced that his response to the pandemic was the worst public health crisis in memory. Now he's put in charge of a whole continent’s economic recovery. It gets even worse when you read stuff like this Quote: The UN under secretary general, Vera Songwe, said Hancock’s “success” in handling the UK’s pandemic response was a testament to the strengths he would bring to the role. Succes?!
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13th October 2021, 12:44 AM	#2096
Pixel42 Schrödinger's cat Join Date: May 2004 Location: Malmesbury, UK Posts: 14,616	Hancock was actually pretty quick off the mark in ordering large quantities of several different vaccines (whose efficacy was not yet known), and then had the good sense to leave the actual rollout of them to the people who knew how to do it. It's just about the only thing he, and indeed the current government, did get right.
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14th October 2021, 04:19 AM	#2097
Captain_Swoop Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 42,166	News story saying Truss and Raab are going to 'share a house' It's a 115 room mansion!

15th October 2021, 06:12 AM	#2098
ohms Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,429	Tory MP David Amess has been stabbed at a constituency surgery: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58929453
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15th October 2021, 07:37 AM	#2099
zooterkin Nitpicking dilettante Administrator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Berkshire, mostly Posts: 52,232	Originally Posted by ohms Tory MP David Amess has been stabbed at a constituency surgery: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58929453 Fatally.
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15th October 2021, 09:22 AM	#2102
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 101,818	Wonder if it was an assassination?
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15th October 2021, 11:12 AM	#2103
ohms Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,429	I see the murder has it's own thread: http://www.internationalskeptics.com...d.php?t=354843
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16th October 2021, 04:45 AM	#2104
Parsman Muse Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bonnie Scotland Posts: 829	Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop Matt Hancock tweeted @MattHancock Honoured to be appointed United Nations Special Representative. I’ll be working with the @UN @ECA_OFFICIAL to help African economic recovery from the pandemic and promote sustainable development. If it wasn't before, Africa is ********d if little Matty is getting involved.
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16th October 2021, 05:17 AM	#2105
Pixel42 Schrödinger's cat Join Date: May 2004 Location: Malmesbury, UK Posts: 14,616	Originally Posted by Parsman If it wasn't before, Africa is ********d if little Matty is getting involved. https://mobile.twitter.com/i/web/sta...13761622380550 Quote: Matt Hancock UN appointment “not taken forward”, UN spokesman tells UN news organisation Pass Blue
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16th October 2021, 05:23 AM	#2106
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 101,818	Are we surprised he mucked-up his own job? It seems to be pretty much the definition of his “career”.
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16th October 2021, 05:34 AM	#2107
Vixen Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 28,937	Originally Posted by Pixel42 https://mobile.twitter.com/i/web/sta...13761622380550 Whoops.
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16th October 2021, 07:10 AM	#2108
Parsman Muse Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bonnie Scotland Posts: 829	Alas poor Matt, Africa barely knew you!
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16th October 2021, 10:03 AM	#2109
Carrot Flower King Master Poster Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: Northumberland, UK Posts: 2,384	The line given on PM just now is something to do with sitting MPs not being able to take up such jobs...Unlike all those other jobs sitting MPs manage to do on top of their supposedly hugely demanding job in Westminster for that paltry salary of £80+k and all those expenses. Nice to know that the UN has some better standards than our Parliament...

17th October 2021, 04:34 AM	#2110
Captain_Swoop Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 42,166	Wasn’t Gordon Brown a UN rep whilst still an MP? He was indeed. Special envoy in 2012, MP until 2015. I think they binned him off. I don’t believe his statement.

17th October 2021, 05:23 AM	#2111
Carrot Flower King Master Poster Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: Northumberland, UK Posts: 2,384	^ Apparently Brown was allowed to be a UN envoy as he'd announced his intention to leave Parliament at the next election, as he duly did. Hancock has said he has no intention of giving up his £80k+ and all his housing expenses paid sinecure and wanted to showboat for the UN while we carried on paying for the useless ******.

18th October 2021, 08:28 AM	#2112
Vixen Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 28,937	Hey guys. Honoured to have been appointed United Nations Special Representative - oh wait, just had an email... Ah, 'We regret to inform you we will not be taking your appointment forward.' Ahem. Well I didn't want the post anyway, as there is a little known rule that says I am not allowed to, anyway. Somewhere. <sfx> smashing plates, screaming, crying.
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18th October 2021, 01:14 PM	#2113
jimbob Uncritical "thinker" Moderator Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: UK Posts: 25,588	Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King ^ Apparently Brown was allowed to be a UN envoy as he'd announced his intention to leave Parliament at the next election, as he duly did. Hancock has said he has no intention of giving up his £80k+ and all his housing expenses paid sinecure and wanted to showboat for the UN while we carried on paying for the useless ******. I'm shocked and surprised. To learn that Hancock seems to have told the truth.
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18th October 2021, 01:37 PM	#2114
junkshop Muse Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Where the gin was. Posts: 941	Originally Posted by jimbob I'm shocked and surprised. To learn that Hancock seems to have told the truth. I'm sure he's deeply ashamed, and will endeavour not to repeat his mistake.
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19th October 2021, 04:32 AM	#2115
Captain_Swoop Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 42,166	Why do I think the cost of having Heat Pumps installed will rise by £5000

19th October 2021, 05:50 AM	#2116
wobs Master Poster Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Hull Posts: 2,644	Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop Why do I think the cost of having Heat Pumps installed will rise by £5000 Aside from the fact that they won't be effectve for a sizeable portion of UK houses. Ours for an eg. is a solid walled Edwardian house in a conservation area, so will be pretty useless. Forgive my naivity, but heat pumps have long been rejected by those in the know for most homes, and its generally been the consensus that we'll be injecting hydorgen into the gas network to lower the carbon footprint of heating our homes.
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19th October 2021, 05:58 AM	#2117
The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 34,177	Originally Posted by wobs Aside from the fact that they won't be effectve for a sizeable portion of UK houses. Ours for an eg. is a solid walled Edwardian house in a conservation area, so will be pretty useless. Forgive my naivity, but heat pumps have long been rejected by those in the know for most homes, and its generally been the consensus that we'll be injecting hydorgen into the gas network to lower the carbon footprint of heating our homes. That's my impression as well. Heat pumps work well for buildings with very low demands for heat, ideally with underfloor heating. If buildings are constructed from the start with that in mind then happy days but the government is proposing to have these things installed in the current UK housing stock. It only becomes a commercial proposition if the price of gas rises even further but then that will also have an impact on the cost of the electricity required to run heat pumps. AIUI for most of the year water will need to be heated with an immersion heater because it won't get hot enough from the heat pump.

19th October 2021, 06:19 AM	#2118
wobs Master Poster Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Hull Posts: 2,644	https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-58899006 Quote: It looks unlikely that there will be much hydrogen left over to heat people's homes, which is why the government is postponing any decision about hydrogen boilers until 2026. So when they increase the capacity of hydrogen production, they'll start injecting it into the gas network. Not a huge surprise.
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