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Old 6th January 2021, 09:36 AM   #41
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My big 4:

1) Rollback pretty much every Trump executive order. That should be done January 20 by 6 PM eastern time.
2) Huge corps/billionaires that profited on the pandemic can pay a nice big tax surcharge.
3) Comprehensive healthcare reform. (This won't happen the industry will get too much money to a few of the blue dog senators, but I can hope)
4) End the "war on drugs", from federal agencies.

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Old 6th January 2021, 09:37 AM   #42
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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle View Post
But it isn't like they would see the connection like being for the ACA and hating Obamacare.


Yeah, for purposes of this thread we should probably assume "...and a massive propaganda campaign explaining this to the MAGAts" is appended to the end of every policy.
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Old 6th January 2021, 09:37 AM   #43
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Originally Posted by Horatius View Post
In the spirit of bi-partisanship (from abroad, anyways), it's time for a new version of my not-quite-four-years-old thread.

Waking up to the news that it appears the Democrats have won both the Georgia run-off elections, this means that, for the next two years at least, they have control of all of Congress and the Presidency. After 6 years of obstinate refusal by Moscow Mitch to even consider any legislation passed by the Democratic House, the Dems are finally in position to pass laws to make their agenda a reality.
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What it really means is that Moscow Mitch won't be able to block bills from reaching the Senate floor, even after they've been passed by the House and have broad Senate support. But they can only pass if every Democrat votes for them. I think you will find that some Democratic senators from conservative states, particularly Joe Manchin, won't automatically support every Democratic proposal. The Democrats' real hope might be to attract a few responsible Repubs to get behind stimulus payments, tax reform, qualified judges, etc. But even they won't go too far to support mainstream Democratic goals.

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Old 6th January 2021, 09:39 AM   #44
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
Which of Biden’s policies/goals worry you?
I wouldn't hold Biden's policies as examples of the progressive wish list I am talking about.


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The only bills the Dems ever get through are centrist. Look at Obamacare, it was basically a Republican plan. The progressives have started making noise, and with the younger generation taking hold (Ossoff will be the youngest Democrat Senator or something crazy?) like AOC, and the squad. I don't know if center is going to work. I hope they definitely push this country as far left as possible. Even us out with the world a bit more.
Republicans will try to block any and all I would suspect, so maybe compromise won't be on the table. But I think the progressive push left is a bubble of thought that doesn't reflect the party as much as they would like, and the compromises might be starting within the party before it even comes to what is proposed to the other side.


Originally Posted by Horatius View Post
I'd go for a "Medicare for Most" type of plan. Medicare for all is probably a non-starter, but even expanding coverage significantly could have the biggest impact on the most people.

The first time a Trump voter goes to the ER, worried more about the cost than their health, and is told that the visit won't cost them a penny out of pocket, has to have an impact on at least some of them. Even getting 1% of them to come to their senses could secure the Democrats victory in 2022.

I think building on/finishing off a push on healthcare specifically during a health crisis could probably be their best play. I like the idea of universal catastrophic insurance, since that would basically cover the horror stories about medical bankruptcies and the issues that go with it. Maybe there is some middle ground to be had there somewhere that could be worked out, but not sure if it could be done without getting rid of the filibuster.

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Old 6th January 2021, 09:40 AM   #45
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Originally Posted by lobosrul5 View Post
4) End the "war on drugs", from federal agencies.

Ah, that's a good one. Relatively easy to implement, popular on both sides of the aisle, even if for different reasons, and that popularity has been increasing of late so the momentum is already there, saves money which the Republicans should like, and eliminates a lot of unneeded policing and prison sentences which the Democrats would like.
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Old 6th January 2021, 09:42 AM   #46
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Originally Posted by Bob001 View Post
The Democrats' real hope might be to attract a few responsible Repubs to support stimulus payments, tax reform, qualified judges, etc. But even they won't go too far to support mainstream Democratic goals.


That is certainly a worthy goal. Showing that bi-partisanship is still possible would itself be a major success.
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Old 6th January 2021, 09:49 AM   #47
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Bi-partisanship is not the goal to the "Wah burn it all down and start the revolution" crowd.

A lot of people have a lot emotionally vested in American politics failing.
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Old 6th January 2021, 09:52 AM   #48
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Originally Posted by Firestone View Post
These can probably be done using "reconciliation".
Maybe lowering the age for Medicare too.

HR1, DC and Puerto Rico statehood, probably not.
Senate version of reconciliation is once per year and must involve budgetary issues.

Yes, this has been flouted before because "unanimous consent" (no objection) can basically override anything. It won't pass the necessary hurdles.
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Old 6th January 2021, 09:53 AM   #49
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Medicare for all. Medicare card can also be voter ID card.
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Old 6th January 2021, 09:58 AM   #50
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Medicare for all. Medicare card can also be voter ID card.


It would be worth it just to watch heads explode!
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Old 6th January 2021, 10:03 AM   #51
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New rule.

The Senate is always "in session." You're not working the deep fryer at McDonalds, you're lawmakers. You don't get to run out the clock and go home.

Again this is a democracy. Congress is our employee, not our boss. It's past time we told them "No. You get to go home when the work is done."

Congress dictates far too much to us.
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Old 6th January 2021, 10:14 AM   #52
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About typical, the same doom merchants predicting Biden would lose, and then that the Republicans would hold the Senate and ensure at least two years of obstruction, are now predicting disaster as the Dems turn on one another. I get being wrong is embarrassing, but how about giving Biden a couple of weeks at least and putting the Cassandra routine to bed for a while?
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Old 6th January 2021, 10:16 AM   #53
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Originally Posted by Horatius View Post
I'd go for a "Medicare for Most" type of plan. Medicare for all is probably a non-starter, but even expanding coverage significantly could have the biggest impact on the most people.

The first time a Trump voter goes to the ER, worried more about the cost than their health, and is told that the visit won't cost them a penny out of pocket, has to have an impact on at least some of them. Even getting 1% of them to come to their senses could secure the Democrats victory in 2022.
I agree.
Healthcare is still a net winner for Dems. At the very least a Medicare "buy in" scheme would be viewed as progress by most.
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Old 6th January 2021, 01:22 PM   #54
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Given the current Trump/Cruz/McCarthy coup attempt, it's time to start shooting Trumpettes.
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Old 6th January 2021, 02:18 PM   #55
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Given the current Trump/Cruz/McCarthy coup attempt, it's time to start shooting Trumpettes.
100% agreed.The time for pacifism is way past.
That is the problem with the "peace and freedom" slogan. A lot of the time you have to chose between them.
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Old 6th January 2021, 06:04 PM   #56
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Originally Posted by Meadmaker View Post
Maybe we don't really need sweeping changes at this point.
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Biden and the Dems ONLY have to do better than Trump and the GOP-radicals.
Thinking small & doing little is how we got Trump in the first place, so another round of it is just a red carpet for Trump II. There is only one way to avoid that. They need to do enough, fast enough, for Republican & "independent" voters to see a difference in their lives.
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No, they don't. They have to do better than Trump and the GOP radicals told their supporters they did.

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That is the classical double-standard, the built-in presumption that Dems need to do a flawless job to be considered only just as or a little bit less competent than Republicans who mess up completely and often intentionally.

No question Biden, Harris and the rest of the party will do great things, but in 2022 and 2024, all that should matter to voters is whether they did better than Trump and his GOP to get them reelected.

Don't put the bar to success too high for Democrats to achieve, and the bar to failure too low for Republicans not to clear it.
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1. Meet with Joe Manchin
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3. Profit
Manchin's interview on CNN this morning makes it painfully clear how little progress lies ahead.

As a reminder, Manchin is the reason the ACA didn't include a public option.
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