[Merged] What is Parler? / Parler gets owned - Page 3

lobosrul5 · 11th January 2021, 09:25 PM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

They should have left it up a bit longer but I doubt the FBI had the wherewithal to ask the media companies involved to wait.

Or maybe they did and that's why Parler was given 24 hours notice.

Amazon still has all their data. Probably 3 to 5 copies in each of their data centers.

Stacyhs · 12th January 2021, 01:29 AM

never mind

Stacyhs · 12th January 2021, 02:02 AM

Leave it to the right wing ignoramuses to screw up the clever use of the French "parler" by pronouncing it "parlor".

Squeegee Beckenheim · 12th January 2021, 04:28 AM

Originally Posted by smartcooky

It could be, because after all this has happened, and they have been burned so badly, large numbers of them might not trust any "Parler replacement" platform. There are already rumours circulating among some conservative discussion boards that "Parler" was a honey trap set by "them". This was mooted as a possibility as early as June last year!

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2020/06/parler-is-trap.html

I doubt it was a honeytrap with Rebekah Mercer at the wheel. She's a big Republican/Trump donor. However, since she's also the person behind Cambridge Analytica and its child company, I'd be very surprised if there wasn't a fair amount of data harvesting going on.

The Great Zaganza · 12th January 2021, 04:36 AM

because there is no money in pandering to the radical right, only those with a political agenda are willing to finance platforms like Parler.

Squeegee Beckenheim · 12th January 2021, 04:49 AM

Parler has found a new home

cow_cat · 12th January 2021, 06:29 AM

Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim

Parler has found a new home

Interesting. I wonder how ParlerV2 will separate out the old "verified" admin accounts from the newer "hacktivist" admin accounts? Further, with the Parler data dump, surely it's simple to work out username/passwords of old accounts (even if the data dump of ParlerV1 didn't store passwords in plain text) and thus become vulnerable to further attacks from "verified" accounts?

Even if ParlerV2 manages to comprehensively address any and all further security problems, I suspect that the damage has already been done. Maybe they'll rebrand it Sprechen?

Darat · 12th January 2021, 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim

Parler has found a new home

Thought if it was still to be based in the USA it would be them.

The article is interesting as well as I'm slightly confused about an example...

".... With users as wide-ranging as Texas Senator Ted Cruz and neo-Nazi terror groups, ....

That's meant to show wide-ranging.........

johnny karate · 12th January 2021, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim

Parler has found a new home

*phew* Freedom of Speech is saved. That was a close one.

Stacyhs · 12th January 2021, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by cow_cat

Interesting. I wonder how ParlerV2 will separate out the old "verified" admin accounts from the newer "hacktivist" admin accounts? Further, with the Parler data dump, surely it's simple to work out username/passwords of old accounts (even if the data dump of ParlerV1 didn't store passwords in plain text) and thus become vulnerable to further attacks from "verified" accounts?

Even if ParlerV2 manages to comprehensively address any and all further security problems, I suspect that the damage has already been done. Maybe they'll rebrand it Sprechen?

Which they'll rhyme with "Gretchen".

Vixen · 12th January 2021, 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

If I was a Conspiracy Nut, I might think that the FBI created Parler as a trap ...

Many a true word said in jest.

ChristianProgressive · Yesterday, 10:11 AM

Does anyone know where the "Parlor archive" can be accessed? SOMEONE has to have posted it by now.

SuburbanTurkey · Yesterday, 10:29 AM

For all this talk about moderation policies, the CHUDs kinda lost sight of the fact that Parler isn't going to break the law for them. They will respond to subpoenas regarding the criminal behavior of their users.

Since it has such loose moderation policies, many on the service felt pretty comfortable making death threats or openly discussing their intentions to engage in criminal violence. Parler will allow you to conspire with other criminals. Parler will allow you to post videos and pictures that are rich with metadata. Parler will kindly pack this up and turn it over the feds when asked.

I can't find the link now, but there was one press release that heavily implied that someone was ID'd not from video, but from information the feds got from Parler after issuing a subpoena.

RecoveringYuppy · Yesterday, 10:36 AM

Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey

turn it over the feds when asked.

Apparently they didn't even need to be asked.

smartcooky · Yesterday, 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by cow_cat

Interesting. I wonder how ParlerV2 will separate out the old "verified" admin accounts from the newer "hacktivist" admin accounts? Further, with the Parler data dump, surely it's simple to work out username/passwords of old accounts (even if the data dump of ParlerV1 didn't store passwords in plain text) and thus become vulnerable to further attacks from "verified" accounts?

Even if ParlerV2 manages to comprehensively address any and all further security problems, I suspect that the damage has already been done. Maybe they'll rebrand it Sprechen?

Actually, this is a good point. If they don't start from scratch (requiring all members to sign up anew) and instead, bring over their membership list, it will be difficult to determine which accounts are fake admins. Sure they could write a script to do that, but if they were so dumb as to allow their original platform to be compromised so easily, I don't have a lot of faith in their ability to do that - I mean having "verified citizen" accounts using images of both sides of an ID card/Driver's license with unencrypted real names, and actual addresses and telephone numbers? Seriously?

Mader Levap · Yesterday, 12:21 PM

It should be simple. It is not like they give legitimate admin/moderator/whatever accounts to just anyone, right? Block all accounts with elevated rights made after date X.

Key word is should. With their incompetency, who knows what homebrew unmaintanenanceable horror they concocted.

cow_cat · Yesterday, 01:24 PM

True. I am speculating slightly on exactly what data were stored, and if the people who created all of the 'fake' admin accounts couldn't change the timestamp of data creation. As far as I know, these are unknowns.

However if you simply cycled through all users with the password 'MAGA2024!', you would probably access 10% of all accounts.

Dr. Keith · Yesterday, 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by cow_cat

True. I am speculating slightly on exactly what data were stored, and if the people who created all of the 'fake' admin accounts couldn't change the timestamp of data creation. As far as I know, these are unknowns.

However if you simply cycled through all users with the password 'MAGA2024!', you would probably access 10% of all accounts.

Mine is safe: HeartMAGA2024!Heart

Mader Levap · Yesterday, 04:18 PM

Originally Posted by cow_cat

However if you simply cycled through all users with the password 'MAGA2024!', you would probably access 10% of all accounts.

I like your insinuation they store passwords in plaintext.

11th January 2021, 09:25 PM	#81
lobosrul5 Master Poster Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 2,071	Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger They should have left it up a bit longer but I doubt the FBI had the wherewithal to ask the media companies involved to wait. Or maybe they did and that's why Parler was given 24 hours notice. Amazon still has all their data. Probably 3 to 5 copies in each of their data centers.
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12th January 2021, 01:29 AM	#82
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 17,315	never mind
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12th January 2021, 04:28 AM	#84
Squeegee Beckenheim Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 30,933	Originally Posted by smartcooky It could be, because after all this has happened, and they have been burned so badly, large numbers of them might not trust any "Parler replacement" platform. There are already rumours circulating among some conservative discussion boards that "Parler" was a honey trap set by "them". This was mooted as a possibility as early as June last year! http://voxday.blogspot.com/2020/06/parler-is-trap.html I doubt it was a honeytrap with Rebekah Mercer at the wheel. She's a big Republican/Trump donor. However, since she's also the person behind Cambridge Analytica and its child company, I'd be very surprised if there wasn't a fair amount of data harvesting going on.
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12th January 2021, 04:36 AM	#85
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 14,269	because there is no money in pandering to the radical right, only those with a political agenda are willing to finance platforms like Parler.
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12th January 2021, 04:49 AM	#86
Squeegee Beckenheim Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 30,933	Parler has found a new home
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12th January 2021, 02:02 AM	#83
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 17,315	Leave it to the right wing ignoramuses to screw up the clever use of the French "parler" by pronouncing it "parlor".

12th January 2021, 06:29 AM	#87
cow_cat Mr. Parodied Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Between the Sun and the Stars Posts: 1,925	Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim Parler has found a new home Interesting. I wonder how ParlerV2 will separate out the old "verified" admin accounts from the newer "hacktivist" admin accounts? Further, with the Parler data dump, surely it's simple to work out username/passwords of old accounts (even if the data dump of ParlerV1 didn't store passwords in plain text) and thus become vulnerable to further attacks from "verified" accounts? Even if ParlerV2 manages to comprehensively address any and all further security problems, I suspect that the damage has already been done. Maybe they'll rebrand it Sprechen?
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12th January 2021, 10:00 AM	#88
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 95,986	Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim Parler has found a new home Thought if it was still to be based in the USA it would be them. The article is interesting as well as I'm slightly confused about an example... ".... With users as wide-ranging as Texas Senator Ted Cruz and neo-Nazi terror groups, .... That's meant to show wide-ranging.........
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12th January 2021, 10:15 AM	#89
johnny karate ... and your little dog too. Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 14,135	Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim Parler has found a new home phew Freedom of Speech is saved. That was a close one.

12th January 2021, 02:34 PM	#90
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 17,315	Originally Posted by cow_cat Interesting. I wonder how ParlerV2 will separate out the old "verified" admin accounts from the newer "hacktivist" admin accounts? Further, with the Parler data dump, surely it's simple to work out username/passwords of old accounts (even if the data dump of ParlerV1 didn't store passwords in plain text) and thus become vulnerable to further attacks from "verified" accounts? Even if ParlerV2 manages to comprehensively address any and all further security problems, I suspect that the damage has already been done. Maybe they'll rebrand it Sprechen? Which they'll rhyme with "Gretchen".

12th January 2021, 02:43 PM	#91
Vixen Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Suomi Posts: 20,135	Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza If I was a Conspiracy Nut, I might think that the FBI created Parler as a trap ... Many a true word said in jest.
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Yesterday, 10:11 AM	#92
ChristianProgressive Master Poster Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 2,797	Does anyone know where the "Parlor archive" can be accessed? SOMEONE has to have posted it by now.
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Yesterday, 10:29 AM	#93
SuburbanTurkey Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Massachusetts, USA Posts: 7,106	For all this talk about moderation policies, the CHUDs kinda lost sight of the fact that Parler isn't going to break the law for them. They will respond to subpoenas regarding the criminal behavior of their users. Since it has such loose moderation policies, many on the service felt pretty comfortable making death threats or openly discussing their intentions to engage in criminal violence. Parler will allow you to conspire with other criminals. Parler will allow you to post videos and pictures that are rich with metadata. Parler will kindly pack this up and turn it over the feds when asked. I can't find the link now, but there was one press release that heavily implied that someone was ID'd not from video, but from information the feds got from Parler after issuing a subpoena.
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Yesterday, 10:36 AM	#94
RecoveringYuppy Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 10,280	Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey turn it over the feds when asked. Apparently they didn't even need to be asked.

Yesterday, 12:06 PM	#95
smartcooky Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Nelson, New Zealand Posts: 16,393	Originally Posted by cow_cat Interesting. I wonder how ParlerV2 will separate out the old "verified" admin accounts from the newer "hacktivist" admin accounts? Further, with the Parler data dump, surely it's simple to work out username/passwords of old accounts (even if the data dump of ParlerV1 didn't store passwords in plain text) and thus become vulnerable to further attacks from "verified" accounts? Even if ParlerV2 manages to comprehensively address any and all further security problems, I suspect that the damage has already been done. Maybe they'll rebrand it Sprechen? Actually, this is a good point. If they don't start from scratch (requiring all members to sign up anew) and instead, bring over their membership list, it will be difficult to determine which accounts are fake admins. Sure they could write a script to do that, but if they were so dumb as to allow their original platform to be compromised so easily, I don't have a lot of faith in their ability to do that - I mean having "verified citizen" accounts using images of both sides of an ID card/Driver's license with unencrypted real names, and actual addresses and telephone numbers? Seriously?
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Yesterday, 12:21 PM	#96
Mader Levap Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 1,481	It should be simple. It is not like they give legitimate admin/moderator/whatever accounts to just anyone, right? Block all accounts with elevated rights made after date X. Key word is should. With their incompetency, who knows what homebrew unmaintanenanceable horror they concocted.
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Yesterday, 01:24 PM	#97
cow_cat Mr. Parodied Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Between the Sun and the Stars Posts: 1,925	True. I am speculating slightly on exactly what data were stored, and if the people who created all of the 'fake' admin accounts couldn't change the timestamp of data creation. As far as I know, these are unknowns. However if you simply cycled through all users with the password 'MAGA2024!', you would probably access 10% of all accounts.
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Yesterday, 01:30 PM	#98
Dr. Keith Not a doctor. Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 21,960	Originally Posted by cow_cat True. I am speculating slightly on exactly what data were stored, and if the people who created all of the 'fake' admin accounts couldn't change the timestamp of data creation. As far as I know, these are unknowns. However if you simply cycled through all users with the password 'MAGA2024!', you would probably access 10% of all accounts. Mine is safe: HeartMAGA2024!Heart
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Yesterday, 04:18 PM	#99
Mader Levap Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 1,481	Originally Posted by cow_cat However if you simply cycled through all users with the password 'MAGA2024!', you would probably access 10% of all accounts. I like your insinuation they store passwords in plaintext.
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