How bad it will get next week? - Page 2

dudalb · 13th January 2021, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

Trump plans to make a number of these videos now that his socials have been strangled. All FAR too late because this won't make a whit of difference now. Some of the MAGAbeserkers have even left Trump behind in their push to catastrophe.

ETA: ninja'd by a moose. Oh the shame.

DOn't forget the reason that Trumpists are Trumpists. It is because of what they think Trump stands for.
I think Trumpism will mutate into a sort of "Trumpism without Trump".All the bigotry and hate but with a different leader.

alfaniner · 13th January 2021, 05:17 PM

Originally Posted by GlennB

Out there on the balcony, in the middle of the inauguration ceremony? That would be a triumph for the drooling moron brigade and I don't think the PTB would want that even to be a possibility. Nah, I truly believe it will be switched to indoors.

I think they should do it on Air Force One.

Norman Alexander · 13th January 2021, 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

DOn't forget the reason that Trumpists are Trumpists. It is because of what they think Trump stands for.
I think Trumpism will mutate into a sort of "Trumpism without Trump".All the bigotry and hate but with a different leader.

That is the fear I have. They will just shift all that hatred and rage to the next leader along whenever the top dog gets killed or given life in the big house.

An obvious solution would be to identify and isolate all of these people. They want some "place of their own" run by their own rules. Well, give it to them. There's plenty of empty islands in the Aleutians where they can set up their own kingdom and run it how they like and worship their own gods. Trumpistan 4evah! Just don't let them off it, and let them put up their wall, real or virtual, so no Muslims, libruls, leftists, socialists, Negroes or Jooz can invade them. Let them be happy in their isolationism.

AnonyMoose · 13th January 2021, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

Trump plans to make a number of these videos now that his socials have been strangled. All FAR too late because this won't make a whit of difference now. Some of the MAGAbeserkers have even left Trump behind in their push to catastrophe.

ETA: ninja'd by a moose. Oh the shame.

Oh come on, admit it. You secretly liked it. Once you get moosed, you never go back.

alfaniner · 13th January 2021, 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

That is the fear I have. They will just shift all that hatred and rage to the next leader along whenever the top dog gets killed or given life in the big house.

...

Considering Matt Gaetz' showcase performance today, I'd say he's a viable next candidate.

Darat · 13th January 2021, 06:11 PM

Originally Posted by alfaniner

I think they should do it on Air Force One.

I’d want Trump to be flying on AF1 , then at the end of Biden’s oath, the secret service turn to Trump and say “you are not authorised to be this plane, please leave... oh the President said to tell you can take a parachute”

Darat · 13th January 2021, 06:13 PM

Originally Posted by GlennB

Out there on the balcony, in the middle of the inauguration ceremony? That would be a triumph for the drooling moron brigade and I don't think the PTB would want that even to be a possibility. Nah, I truly believe it will be switched to indoors.

The USA military leads the world in drone technology I am sure they will have counter measures in place.

TheSupermeerkat · 13th January 2021, 06:20 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

DOn't forget the reason that Trumpists are Trumpists. It is because of what they think Trump stands for.

I think Trumpism will mutate into a sort of "Trumpism without Trump".All the bigotry and hate but with a different leader.

Trumpism without Trump. A smell without the fart. That's, like, really deep.

zorro99 · 13th January 2021, 06:26 PM

Originally Posted by GlennB

How would the PTB stop some drooling idiot buzzing the inauguration with a hobbyist drone they'd bought on Amazon? Obviously much worse things could happen - and well might - but minor but highly conspicuous 'demonstrations' seem highly likely to me. I wouldn't mind betting the ceremony is switched to indoors.

Jamming devices. DC area residents have been advised to expect sporadic cellular data loss.

There are 20,000 well armed troops in the region now. I almost hope the terrorists start something because many will end up face down on the ground.

Norman Alexander · 13th January 2021, 06:30 PM

Originally Posted by AnonyMoose

Oh come on, admit it. You secretly liked it. Once you get moosed, you never go back.

Big, furry and horny! Grrr!

Trebuchet · 13th January 2021, 06:31 PM

I'm cautiously optimistic about the nest week or so. The next four years, not so much.
Massive security efforts have belatedly been put in place at the Capitol and other important places. Meanwhile, the Trumptroopers are a bit stunned at their failure to overturn the election.
Perhaps the best thing about the TrumpTroopers is that the whole movement is all Generals and no Privates. Every one of them thinks he and he alone will lead the coming revolution. There's no command structure.
What we need to fear in the coming years is the lone wolves. Those who, as noted above, think they'll lead the revolution, but will act on it themselves. Think Timothy McVeigh. I expect a number of assassinations and bombings.
Not being clairvoyant, I can't predict with any confidence. But it might get bad.

acbytesla · 13th January 2021, 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by Darat

I’d want Trump to be flying on AF1 , then at the end of Biden’s oath, the secret service turn to Trump and say “you are not authorised to be this plane, please leave... oh the President said to tell you can take a parachute”

Kind of like the scene at the end of The Good Shepherd.

dudalb · 13th January 2021, 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by Darat

The USA military leads the world in drone technology I am sure they will have counter measures in place.

A few Stinger Missile teams will be on rooftops.

shemp · 13th January 2021, 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by zorro99

Jamming devices. DC area residents have been advised to expect sporadic cellular data loss.

There are 20,000 well armed troops in the region now. I almost hope the terrorists start something because many will end up ~~face down on~~ six feet under the ground.

FTFY

Ladewig · 13th January 2021, 08:47 PM

Originally Posted by Cain

How GOOD will it get next week? The trees of liberty must be refreshed with the blood of patriots and tyrants. WE THE PEOPLE. Let's go!

Instead of the blood of patriots and tyrants, can we use the blood of fools and cultists? We’ve got lots of that.

Bob001 · 13th January 2021, 08:57 PM

Originally Posted by zorro99

Jamming devices. DC area residents have been advised to expect sporadic cellular data loss.

There are 20,000 well armed troops in the region now. I almost hope the terrorists start something because many will end up face down on the ground.

The troops won't be there forever. Look for trouble at some major public event in a couple months.

cosmicaug · 13th January 2021, 09:02 PM

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

I'm cautiously optimistic about the nest week or so. The next four years, not so much.
Massive security efforts have belatedly been put in place at the Capitol and other important places. Meanwhile, the Trumptroopers are a bit stunned at their failure to overturn the election.
Perhaps the best thing about the TrumpTroopers is that the whole movement is all Generals and no Privates. Every one of them thinks he and he alone will lead the coming revolution. There's no command structure.
What we need to fear in the coming years is the lone wolves. Those who, as noted above, think they'll lead the revolution, but will act on it themselves. Think Timothy McVeigh. I expect a number of assassinations and bombings.
Not being clairvoyant, I can't predict with any confidence. But it might get bad.

Assorted militia groups still exist. These are not going away & are more likely to grow than shrink. Additionally, Proud Boys still exist, Three Percenters still exist, etc..

We can't rule out that in the next few years some of these might not do something other than run around in the woods eating earthworms & acorns.

I'm not disagreeing about the lone wolfs, though.

dudalb · 13th January 2021, 09:48 PM

All the law enforcements interviews I have seen have stated their biggest problem with intelligence is trying to decide which threats are real, and which are just internet warriors talking the piss and trying to out macho each other. THey simply do not have the manpower to check out every violent tweet or post out there.

dudalb · 13th January 2021, 09:52 PM

Originally Posted by shemp

FTFY

A photo of a National Guardsman at Capitol Hill showed him with a M249 Squad Automatic Weapon, US Military's standard Light Machine Gun. In the US Army, I had some basic Training with them. They , when in belt fed mode, can do real real damage to a charging group of men. They are not fooling around this time.

dirtywick · 13th January 2021, 10:30 PM

Originally Posted by cosmicaug

Assorted militia groups still exist. These are not going away & are more likely to grow than shrink. Additionally, Proud Boys still exist, Three Percenters still exist, etc..

We can't rule out that in the next few years some of these might not do something other than run around in the woods eating earthworms & acorns.

I'm not disagreeing about the lone wolfs, though.

i'm pretty sure the ringleader's are on a lot of radars now

Squeegee Beckenheim · 14th January 2021, 03:01 AM

Originally Posted by Cavemonster

I think there have been people planning violence.
When it happens, Republicans will blame the impeachment.

And I find that pretty much in line with the attempts to shift responsibility we've seen from the GOP for a long long time. It's just another variation of the abuser's "Look what you made me do"

This is the correct answer.

carlosy · 14th January 2021, 03:50 AM

How bad it will get next week?
That's the wrong question.

How bad it will get over the next months and years?

angrysoba · 14th January 2021, 03:56 AM

Originally Posted by dudalb

DOn't forget the reason that Trumpists are Trumpists. It is because of what they think Trump stands for.
I think Trumpism will mutate into a sort of "Trumpism without Trump".All the bigotry and hate but with a different leader.

Neo-Trumpism.

Steve · 14th January 2021, 04:57 AM

Originally Posted by carlosy

How bad it will get next week?
That's the wrong question.

How bad it will get over the next months and years?

Indeed.

SuburbanTurkey · 14th January 2021, 05:25 AM

DC is probably safe. It's already heavily policed and now it is augmented with national guard troops. Anyone going there to commit crimes is walking into a trap.

DC cops got caught with their hands in the fascist cookie jar and are probably on hair triggers to try to dispel the well earned reputation as fascist enablers.

State houses are more likely targets, with many of these states allowing the open carrying of rifles and large crowds of heavily armed CHUDs already showing up for reactionary protest events. It would not be difficult for a large mob of heavily armed "peaceful" protestors to assemble and get whipped up into firefight with cops, and in many cases they would probably outgun the police.

States like Washington and Oregon seem like important ones to keep an eye on, given their long history of fascist events. But every state should be on high alert for local reactionary mobs trying to get in on the action.

cosmicaug · 14th January 2021, 08:01 AM

Originally Posted by dudalb

DOn't forget the reason that Trumpists are Trumpists. It is because of what they think Trump stands for.
I think Trumpism will mutate into a sort of "Trumpism without Trump".All the bigotry and hate but with a different leader.

https://garfieldminusgarfield.net/

Bob001 · 14th January 2021, 08:22 AM

Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey

.....
DC cops got caught with their hands in the fascist cookie jar and are probably on hair triggers to try to dispel the well earned reputation as fascist enablers.
.....

That's a strange complaint. D.C. police were one of the agencies that rode to the rescue of the Capitol cops, but they were not part of its original failures. The Capitol Police rejected help when it was offered before the attack.

JoeMorgue · 14th January 2021, 08:25 AM

Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey

DC is probably safe. It's already heavily policed and now it is augmented with national guard troops. Anyone going there to commit crimes is walking into a trap.

The State Level Capital / Government buildings worry me more.

SuburbanTurkey · 14th January 2021, 08:26 AM

Originally Posted by Bob001

That's a strange complaint. D.C. police were one of the agencies that rode to the rescue of the Capitol cops, but they were not part of its original failures. The Capitol Police rejected help when it was offered before the attack.

Apologies, I was speaking imprecisely. I only meant to say that there was a general failure of police in DC. You're right that the capitol police and other federal agencies deserve the lion's share of the blame.

Meadmaker · 14th January 2021, 08:34 AM

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

I'm cautiously optimistic about the nest week or so. The next four years, not so much.
Massive security efforts have belatedly been put in place at the Capitol and other important places. Meanwhile, the Trumptroopers are a bit stunned at their failure to overturn the election.
Perhaps the best thing about the TrumpTroopers is that the whole movement is all Generals and no Privates. Every one of them thinks he and he alone will lead the coming revolution. There's no command structure.
What we need to fear in the coming years is the lone wolves. Those who, as noted above, think they'll lead the revolution, but will act on it themselves. Think Timothy McVeigh. I expect a number of assassinations and bombings.
Not being clairvoyant, I can't predict with any confidence. But it might get bad.

This is about what I'm thinking, too.

I think the failure of the Capitol Putsch has taken the wind out of the sails of the MAGA crowd, and they will lick their wounds more than anything else.

However, in some, those wounds will fester, and that could lead to another McVeigh or something similar.

Craig4 · 14th January 2021, 08:35 AM

I'm watching for two things this weekend. How intense the protests at the state capitols are and how aggressive the police response is. If the police and various National Guard troop kill, wound or arrest enough of the enemy, I expect a muted response from them on Wednesday. If the enemy is successful in storming a few state capitols, I expect Wednesday will be much worse.

dejudge · 14th January 2021, 08:43 AM

Originally Posted by Meadmaker

I predict mostly nothing. Lots of yapping. Not much else.

But I could be wrong, in which case that would totally suck.

That is also my prediction. The Capitol is going to look like a ghost town on inauguration day.

People normally choose life over certain death so the Trumpists will stay home.

Trump will be able to truthfully declare that more people attended his inauguration than Biden's.

Mader Levap · 14th January 2021, 09:18 AM

Originally Posted by dejudge

Trump will be able to truthfully declare that more people attended his inauguration than Biden's.

It would be true anyway due to pandemic counter-measures.

JoeMorgue · 14th January 2021, 09:20 AM

I wonder if Trump is stupid enough to risk actually still going forward with some sort of big, grand counter-inauguration.

Dr. Keith · 14th January 2021, 09:25 AM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

The State Level Capital / Government buildings worry me more.

We have criminals on the inside already. The outside will be rosy by comparison.

crescent · 14th January 2021, 09:27 AM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

I wonder if Trump is stupid enough to risk actually still going forward with some sort of big, grand counter-inauguration.

He's lost his most effective means of non-official communication - social media.

I don't think he has the means to gather his forces, so to speak.

The Great Zaganza · 14th January 2021, 09:28 AM

The radical Right is fractured and will stay so, now that Trump isn't seen as the credible figure to rally around: I doubt that a relevant number of nutjobs think they can prevent Biden from getting sworn in.

I see a swelling of the Militia Movement, but a deflating of the pro-Trump support: Signal might be a safe messaging app, but it is not a replacement for Facebook and Twitter. For pure convenience, people stop being so extreme on visible Social Media.
Radical Elements will have a much harder time organizing ostensibly peace protests as a cover for their violence.

crescent · 14th January 2021, 09:34 AM

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

The radical Right is fractured and will stay so....

That's true - but such movements are often most dangerous when they are in their death throes.

I don't see much ability to reorganize well enough to put on great big demonstrations anymore. At least not after inauguration, and any events that day will just be carryover momentum. Many of the actual organized militia type groups will keep their heads down for a while just as the did after the Oklahoma City bombing.

But the risk of parting shots by very small groups of people or individuals bent on going out in a blaze of glory seems pretty high, at least for a while.

Horatius · 14th January 2021, 09:34 AM

Originally Posted by dejudge

Trump will be able to truthfully declare that more people attended his inauguration than Biden's.

But the TV ratings are going to be fantastic. Everyone is going to want to watch this, for one reason or another; some reasons more crazy than others, of course.

zorro99 · 14th January 2021, 09:42 AM

You know Che Guevara gave up a comfortable upper class life in Argentina and medical career to live in the mountains in Cuba in Spartan conditions getting eaten alive by mosquitoes. Revolutions take patience, discipline and sacrifice in addition to men, arms and financing. I don’t see these Proud Boys guys willing to do that. They planned to overthrow congress and be back in time for the buffet. They whined about the lack of toilets around the Capitol.

13th January 2021, 05:10 PM	#41
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 49,832	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander Trump plans to make a number of these videos now that his socials have been strangled. All FAR too late because this won't make a whit of difference now. Some of the MAGAbeserkers have even left Trump behind in their push to catastrophe. ETA: ninja'd by a moose. Oh the shame. DOn't forget the reason that Trumpists are Trumpists. It is because of what they think Trump stands for. I think Trumpism will mutate into a sort of "Trumpism without Trump".All the bigotry and hate but with a different leader.
	__________________ Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay - and claims a halo for his dishonesty. Robert Heinlein.

13th January 2021, 05:17 PM	#42
alfaniner Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 24,515	Originally Posted by GlennB Out there on the balcony, in the middle of the inauguration ceremony? That would be a triumph for the drooling moron brigade and I don't think the PTB would want that even to be a possibility. Nah, I truly believe it will be switched to indoors. I think they should do it on Air Force One.
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13th January 2021, 05:21 PM	#43
Norman Alexander Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Gundungurra Posts: 8,428	Originally Posted by dudalb DOn't forget the reason that Trumpists are Trumpists. It is because of what they think Trump stands for. I think Trumpism will mutate into a sort of "Trumpism without Trump".All the bigotry and hate but with a different leader. That is the fear I have. They will just shift all that hatred and rage to the next leader along whenever the top dog gets killed or given life in the big house. An obvious solution would be to identify and isolate all of these people. They want some "place of their own" run by their own rules. Well, give it to them. There's plenty of empty islands in the Aleutians where they can set up their own kingdom and run it how they like and worship their own gods. Trumpistan 4evah! Just don't let them off it, and let them put up their wall, real or virtual, so no Muslims, libruls, leftists, socialists, Negroes or Jooz can invade them. Let them be happy in their isolationism.
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13th January 2021, 05:25 PM	#44
AnonyMoose Muse Join Date: May 2018 Location: Land of the Frozen Chosen Posts: 993	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander Trump plans to make a number of these videos now that his socials have been strangled. All FAR too late because this won't make a whit of difference now. Some of the MAGAbeserkers have even left Trump behind in their push to catastrophe. ETA: ninja'd by a moose. Oh the shame. Oh come on, admit it. You secretly liked it. Once you get moosed, you never go back.
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13th January 2021, 05:49 PM	#45
alfaniner Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 24,515	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander That is the fear I have. They will just shift all that hatred and rage to the next leader along whenever the top dog gets killed or given life in the big house. ... Considering Matt Gaetz' showcase performance today, I'd say he's a viable next candidate.
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13th January 2021, 06:11 PM	#46
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 95,986	Originally Posted by alfaniner I think they should do it on Air Force One. I’d want Trump to be flying on AF1 , then at the end of Biden’s oath, the secret service turn to Trump and say “you are not authorised to be this plane, please leave... oh the President said to tell you can take a parachute”
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13th January 2021, 06:13 PM	#47
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 95,986	Originally Posted by GlennB Out there on the balcony, in the middle of the inauguration ceremony? That would be a triumph for the drooling moron brigade and I don't think the PTB would want that even to be a possibility. Nah, I truly believe it will be switched to indoors. The USA military leads the world in drone technology I am sure they will have counter measures in place.
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13th January 2021, 06:20 PM	#48
TheSupermeerkat Muse Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 633	Originally Posted by dudalb DOn't forget the reason that Trumpists are Trumpists. It is because of what they think Trump stands for. I think Trumpism will mutate into a sort of "Trumpism without Trump".All the bigotry and hate but with a different leader. Trumpism without Trump. A smell without the fart. That's, like, really deep.
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13th January 2021, 06:26 PM	#49
zorro99 Muse Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 913	Originally Posted by GlennB How would the PTB stop some drooling idiot buzzing the inauguration with a hobbyist drone they'd bought on Amazon? Obviously much worse things could happen - and well might - but minor but highly conspicuous 'demonstrations' seem highly likely to me. I wouldn't mind betting the ceremony is switched to indoors. Jamming devices. DC area residents have been advised to expect sporadic cellular data loss. There are 20,000 well armed troops in the region now. I almost hope the terrorists start something because many will end up face down on the ground.
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13th January 2021, 06:30 PM	#50
Norman Alexander Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Gundungurra Posts: 8,428	Originally Posted by AnonyMoose Oh come on, admit it. You secretly liked it. Once you get moosed, you never go back. Big, furry and horny! Grrr!
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13th January 2021, 06:31 PM	#51
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 30,556	I'm cautiously optimistic about the nest week or so. The next four years, not so much. Massive security efforts have belatedly been put in place at the Capitol and other important places. Meanwhile, the Trumptroopers are a bit stunned at their failure to overturn the election. Perhaps the best thing about the TrumpTroopers is that the whole movement is all Generals and no Privates. Every one of them thinks he and he alone will lead the coming revolution. There's no command structure. What we need to fear in the coming years is the lone wolves. Those who, as noted above, think they'll lead the revolution, but will act on it themselves. Think Timothy McVeigh. I expect a number of assassinations and bombings. Not being clairvoyant, I can't predict with any confidence. But it might get bad.
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13th January 2021, 06:32 PM	#52
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 27,906	Originally Posted by Darat I’d want Trump to be flying on AF1 , then at the end of Biden’s oath, the secret service turn to Trump and say “you are not authorised to be this plane, please leave... oh the President said to tell you can take a parachute” Kind of like the scene at the end of The Good Shepherd.
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13th January 2021, 06:40 PM	#53
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 49,832	Originally Posted by Darat The USA military leads the world in drone technology I am sure they will have counter measures in place. A few Stinger Missile teams will be on rooftops.
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13th January 2021, 08:26 PM	#54
shemp a flimsy character...perfidious and despised Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: People's Democratic Republic of Planet X Posts: 39,475	Originally Posted by zorro99 Jamming devices. DC area residents have been advised to expect sporadic cellular data loss. There are 20,000 well armed troops in the region now. I almost hope the terrorists start something because many will end up ~~face down on~~ six feet under the ground. FTFY
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13th January 2021, 08:47 PM	#55
Ladewig I lost an avatar bet. Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 27,977	Originally Posted by Cain How GOOD will it get next week? The trees of liberty must be refreshed with the blood of patriots and tyrants. WE THE PEOPLE. Let's go! Instead of the blood of patriots and tyrants, can we use the blood of fools and cultists? We’ve got lots of that.
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13th January 2021, 08:57 PM	#56
Bob001 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: US of A Posts: 12,306	Originally Posted by zorro99 Jamming devices. DC area residents have been advised to expect sporadic cellular data loss. There are 20,000 well armed troops in the region now. I almost hope the terrorists start something because many will end up face down on the ground. The troops won't be there forever. Look for trouble at some major public event in a couple months.

13th January 2021, 09:02 PM	#57
cosmicaug Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 1,440	Originally Posted by Trebuchet I'm cautiously optimistic about the nest week or so. The next four years, not so much. Massive security efforts have belatedly been put in place at the Capitol and other important places. Meanwhile, the Trumptroopers are a bit stunned at their failure to overturn the election. Perhaps the best thing about the TrumpTroopers is that the whole movement is all Generals and no Privates. Every one of them thinks he and he alone will lead the coming revolution. There's no command structure. What we need to fear in the coming years is the lone wolves. Those who, as noted above, think they'll lead the revolution, but will act on it themselves. Think Timothy McVeigh. I expect a number of assassinations and bombings. Not being clairvoyant, I can't predict with any confidence. But it might get bad. Assorted militia groups still exist. These are not going away & are more likely to grow than shrink. Additionally, Proud Boys still exist, Three Percenters still exist, etc.. We can't rule out that in the next few years some of these might not do something other than run around in the woods eating earthworms & acorns. I'm not disagreeing about the lone wolfs, though.
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13th January 2021, 09:48 PM	#58
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 49,832	All the law enforcements interviews I have seen have stated their biggest problem with intelligence is trying to decide which threats are real, and which are just internet warriors talking the piss and trying to out macho each other. THey simply do not have the manpower to check out every violent tweet or post out there.
	__________________ Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay - and claims a halo for his dishonesty. Robert Heinlein.

13th January 2021, 09:52 PM	#59
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 49,832	Originally Posted by shemp FTFY A photo of a National Guardsman at Capitol Hill showed him with a M249 Squad Automatic Weapon, US Military's standard Light Machine Gun. In the US Army, I had some basic Training with them. They , when in belt fed mode, can do real real damage to a charging group of men. They are not fooling around this time.
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13th January 2021, 10:30 PM	#60
dirtywick Master Poster Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 2,806	Originally Posted by cosmicaug Assorted militia groups still exist. These are not going away & are more likely to grow than shrink. Additionally, Proud Boys still exist, Three Percenters still exist, etc.. We can't rule out that in the next few years some of these might not do something other than run around in the woods eating earthworms & acorns. I'm not disagreeing about the lone wolfs, though. i'm pretty sure the ringleader's are on a lot of radars now
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14th January 2021, 03:01 AM	#61
Squeegee Beckenheim Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 30,935	Originally Posted by Cavemonster I think there have been people planning violence. When it happens, Republicans will blame the impeachment. And I find that pretty much in line with the attempts to shift responsibility we've seen from the GOP for a long long time. It's just another variation of the abuser's "Look what you made me do" This is the correct answer.
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14th January 2021, 03:50 AM	#62
carlosy Critical Thinker Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 382	How bad it will get next week? That's the wrong question. How bad it will get over the next months and years?
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14th January 2021, 03:56 AM	#63
angrysoba Philosophile Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Osaka, Japan Posts: 28,856	Originally Posted by dudalb DOn't forget the reason that Trumpists are Trumpists. It is because of what they think Trump stands for. I think Trumpism will mutate into a sort of "Trumpism without Trump".All the bigotry and hate but with a different leader. Neo-Trumpism.
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14th January 2021, 04:57 AM	#64
Steve Philosopher Join Date: May 2005 Location: Sydney Nova Scotia Posts: 7,982	Originally Posted by carlosy How bad it will get next week? That's the wrong question. How bad it will get over the next months and years? Indeed.
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14th January 2021, 05:25 AM	#65
SuburbanTurkey Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Massachusetts, USA Posts: 7,106	DC is probably safe. It's already heavily policed and now it is augmented with national guard troops. Anyone going there to commit crimes is walking into a trap. DC cops got caught with their hands in the fascist cookie jar and are probably on hair triggers to try to dispel the well earned reputation as fascist enablers. State houses are more likely targets, with many of these states allowing the open carrying of rifles and large crowds of heavily armed CHUDs already showing up for reactionary protest events. It would not be difficult for a large mob of heavily armed "peaceful" protestors to assemble and get whipped up into firefight with cops, and in many cases they would probably outgun the police. States like Washington and Oregon seem like important ones to keep an eye on, given their long history of fascist events. But every state should be on high alert for local reactionary mobs trying to get in on the action.
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14th January 2021, 08:01 AM	#66
cosmicaug Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 1,440	Originally Posted by dudalb DOn't forget the reason that Trumpists are Trumpists. It is because of what they think Trump stands for. I think Trumpism will mutate into a sort of "Trumpism without Trump".All the bigotry and hate but with a different leader. https://garfieldminusgarfield.net/
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14th January 2021, 08:22 AM	#67
Bob001 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: US of A Posts: 12,306	Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey ..... DC cops got caught with their hands in the fascist cookie jar and are probably on hair triggers to try to dispel the well earned reputation as fascist enablers. ..... That's a strange complaint. D.C. police were one of the agencies that rode to the rescue of the Capitol cops, but they were not part of its original failures. The Capitol Police rejected help when it was offered before the attack.

14th January 2021, 08:25 AM	#68
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 29,742	Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey DC is probably safe. It's already heavily policed and now it is augmented with national guard troops. Anyone going there to commit crimes is walking into a trap. The State Level Capital / Government buildings worry me more.
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14th January 2021, 08:26 AM	#69
SuburbanTurkey Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Massachusetts, USA Posts: 7,106	Originally Posted by Bob001 That's a strange complaint. D.C. police were one of the agencies that rode to the rescue of the Capitol cops, but they were not part of its original failures. The Capitol Police rejected help when it was offered before the attack. Apologies, I was speaking imprecisely. I only meant to say that there was a general failure of police in DC. You're right that the capitol police and other federal agencies deserve the lion's share of the blame.
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14th January 2021, 08:34 AM	#70
Meadmaker Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 24,707	Originally Posted by Trebuchet I'm cautiously optimistic about the nest week or so. The next four years, not so much. Massive security efforts have belatedly been put in place at the Capitol and other important places. Meanwhile, the Trumptroopers are a bit stunned at their failure to overturn the election. Perhaps the best thing about the TrumpTroopers is that the whole movement is all Generals and no Privates. Every one of them thinks he and he alone will lead the coming revolution. There's no command structure. What we need to fear in the coming years is the lone wolves. Those who, as noted above, think they'll lead the revolution, but will act on it themselves. Think Timothy McVeigh. I expect a number of assassinations and bombings. Not being clairvoyant, I can't predict with any confidence. But it might get bad. This is about what I'm thinking, too. I think the failure of the Capitol Putsch has taken the wind out of the sails of the MAGA crowd, and they will lick their wounds more than anything else. However, in some, those wounds will fester, and that could lead to another McVeigh or something similar.
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14th January 2021, 08:35 AM	#71
Craig4 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Alexandria, VA Home to the Deep State. Posts: 22,273	I'm watching for two things this weekend. How intense the protests at the state capitols are and how aggressive the police response is. If the police and various National Guard troop kill, wound or arrest enough of the enemy, I expect a muted response from them on Wednesday. If the enemy is successful in storming a few state capitols, I expect Wednesday will be much worse.
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14th January 2021, 08:43 AM	#72
dejudge Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 5,821	Originally Posted by Meadmaker I predict mostly nothing. Lots of yapping. Not much else. But I could be wrong, in which case that would totally suck. That is also my prediction. The Capitol is going to look like a ghost town on inauguration day. People normally choose life over certain death so the Trumpists will stay home. Trump will be able to truthfully declare that more people attended his inauguration than Biden's.
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14th January 2021, 09:18 AM	#73
Mader Levap Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 1,481	Originally Posted by dejudge Trump will be able to truthfully declare that more people attended his inauguration than Biden's. It would be true anyway due to pandemic counter-measures.
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14th January 2021, 09:20 AM	#74
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 29,742	I wonder if Trump is stupid enough to risk actually still going forward with some sort of big, grand counter-inauguration.
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14th January 2021, 09:25 AM	#75
Dr. Keith Not a doctor. Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 21,960	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue The State Level Capital / Government buildings worry me more. We have criminals on the inside already. The outside will be rosy by comparison.
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