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Old 5th January 2021, 10:58 PM   #161
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Originally Posted by DevilsAdvocate View Post
It looks like DeKalb has not reported any absentee ballots. Maybe they wait until they are all processed before reporting.
Maybe they are waiting for the delivery of the fake mail-in ballots, delivered in a truck with the Democratic party's logo on it, driven personally by Biden and Stacy Abrahms.

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Old 5th January 2021, 11:00 PM   #162
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Originally Posted by Checkmite View Post
Looks like Warnock has it.

Because of recent history, I'm just not willing to accept yet that "Ossoff has it" while Ossoff is still behind in the count, regardless of where the remaining votes are coming from. Once he's ahead, I'll consider him ahead.
I understand. When it was just the polls or the earlier voting I wasn't sure Ossoff was actually going to win.

Now I think it's a relatively safe bet.
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Originally Posted by Segnosaur View Post
Maybe they are waiting for the delivery of the fake mail-in ballots, delivered in a truck with the Democratic party's logo on it, driven personally by Biden and Stacy Abrahms.

You can bet someone will sell Trump on this idea.
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Old 5th January 2021, 11:06 PM   #164
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Originally Posted by DevilsAdvocate View Post
It looks like DeKalb has not reported any absentee ballots. Maybe they wait until they are all processed before reporting. There will probably be a big jump for the Dems when those results come in.
It appears to just be some issue with the data the NYT has. It shows the total votes, then it also shows the absentee votes, but that is just a subset of the total. So no new big dump of votes; probably they just don't have a breakdown of how many of the total are absentee.
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Old 5th January 2021, 11:10 PM   #165
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I understand. When it was just the polls or the earlier voting I wasn't sure Ossoff was actually going to win.

Now I think it's a relatively safe bet.
I had doubts going into the election because, well, the November elections were a major disappointment.... Even though Biden won the whitehouse, he didn't manage to flip Texas (admittedly a longshot) or Florida. The Democrats lost house seats, and failed to win several senate elections where they were leading in the polls.

So, I was very pessimistic that the Democrats could take both Georgia seats.
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Originally Posted by Segnosaur View Post
Maybe they are waiting for the delivery of the fake mail-in ballots, delivered in a truck with the Democratic party's logo on it, driven personally by Biden and Stacy Abrahms.

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
You can bet someone will sell Trump on this idea.
Not only that, but someone will also provide eyewitness affidavits for Democrat vans full of ballots.

And then the evidence will be sent to Tucker Carlson and get lost in the mail.
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Originally Posted by Segnosaur View Post
I had doubts going into the election because, well, the November elections were a major disappointment.... Even though Biden won the whitehouse, he didn't manage to flip Texas (admittedly a longshot) or Florida. The Democrats lost house seats, and failed to win several senate elections where they were leading in the polls.

So, I was very pessimistic that the Democrats could take both Georgia seats.
I don't think they would have taken both in November. What happened between November and now is why they lost.
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I had doubts going into the election because, well, the November elections were a major disappointment.... Even though Biden won the whitehouse, he didn't manage to flip Texas (admittedly a longshot) or Florida. The Democrats lost house seats, and failed to win several senate elections where they were leading in the polls.

So, I was very pessimistic that the Democrats could take both Georgia seats.
I don't think they would have taken both in November. What happened between November and now is why they lost.
Actually when I talked about the lost opportunity for the Democrats to win senate seats in November, I wasn't referring to Georgia... I was referring to Maine (where republican Collins was extremely unpopular) and North Carolina (where there were multiple predictions that the state would flip to the Democrats). But both senate seats stayed Republican. Those losses were the most annoying.
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I thought they had stopped counting but maybe they decided to power through the ballots.

Now both Democrats are ahead. And the NYT has officially called the race for Warnock.
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CNN has just called it for Warnock.
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If Ossoff wins, as he may well do, and the Senate is 50-50, who will be the Majority Leader as there is no majority?
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If Ossoff wins, as he may well do, and the Senate is 50-50, who will be the Majority Leader as there is no majority?
Senate ties are broke by the President of the Senate, which is the Vice President, which will be Kamala Harris. So Democrats would be the majority.
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Old 6th January 2021, 12:01 AM   #174
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Good Morning America!

Dave Wasserman calls the race for Ossoff!!!


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I've seen enough. Jon Ossoff (D) defeats Sen. David Perdue (R) in GA's other Senate runoff. #GASEN

Democrats win control of the Senate.

https://twitter.com/Redistrict/statu...81326934650880

(Twitter slaps a warning on his tweet, because the networks haven't called the race yet, but I fully trust Wasserman's legendary "I've seen enough".)
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CNN has just called it for Warnock.
As did NYT. Ossoff is ahead by ca. 3500 votes.
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Senate ties are broke by the President of the Senate, which is the Vice President, which will be Kamala Harris. So Democrats would be the majority.
I understand that ties are broken by the VP but as she's not a senator I wondered if she would count to make the Dems the majority party. Has here ever been a 50-50 Senate split before?
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Old 6th January 2021, 12:07 AM   #179
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I understand that ties are broken by the VP but as she's not a senator I wondered if she would count to make the Dems the majority party. Has here ever been a 50-50 Senate split before?
Yes and yes.


Take that McConnell! You can't block Biden's cabinet. You can't block Pelosi's 100+ bills sitting on your desk. They will at least get a vote.
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Old 6th January 2021, 12:12 AM   #180
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Yes and yes.


Take that McConnell! You can't block Biden's cabinet. You can't block Pelosi's 100+ bills sitting on your desk. They will at least get a vote.
Correct

WAPO says "The Constitution makes the vice president the president of the Senate, with the power to cast the decisive vote in cases of a tie."
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And the Demcoratic Wind swept through Georgia......
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I understand that ties are broken by the VP but as she's not a senator I wondered if she would count to make the Dems the majority party. Has here ever been a 50-50 Senate split before?
She counts in determining the majority. There have been 50/50 splits in the past. VP Cheney was the determining factor back in the mid 2000s.
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She counts in determining the majority. There have been 50/50 splits in the past. VP Cheney was the determining factor back in the mid 2000s.
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And the Demcoratic Wind swept through Georgia......
That will put a little wrench in tomorrow's festivities.
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Remember the good old days when Trump was bragging about how valuable his endorsement was in getting Republicans elected?

I wonder how that's working out for him these days.
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That will put a little wrench in tomorrow's festivities.
If Ossof wins, the GOP senate majority will be gone with the wind.
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Actually when I talked about the lost opportunity for the Democrats to win senate seats in November, I wasn't referring to Georgia... I was referring to Maine (where republican Collins was extremely unpopular) and North Carolina (where there were multiple predictions that the state would flip to the Democrats). But both senate seats stayed Republican. Those losses were the most annoying.
Losing SC to Lindsey Graham was also disappointing.
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Poor Kelly's gonna have to console herself by objecting the EC votes tomorrow... traitorous *word for female dog*.
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If Ossof wins, the GOP senate majority will be gone with the wind.
Yep, and Chuck will be calling the shots if this holds
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I wish I could see Mitch McConnell's reaction right now.
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If Ossoff wins, as he may well do, and the Senate is 50-50, who will be the Majority Leader as there is no majority?
Originally Posted by DevilsAdvocate View Post
Senate ties are broke by the President of the Senate, which is the Vice President, which will be Kamala Harris. So Democrats would be the majority.
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I understand that ties are broken by the VP but as she's not a senator I wondered if she would count to make the Dems the majority party. Has here ever been a 50-50 Senate split before?
Somebody on Twitter said Joe Manchin, but maybe that's a joke because he is known to be the most conservative Democrat, right? So maybe the joke is that everyone wants to court his vote.
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So, I have a question

Warnock has been called, and Ossoff looks increasingly likely to win given that most of the remaining votes are from counties that run heavily D. If this does happen, that will leave the Senate 50-50 with VP Harris having the casting vote.

My question is, what happens in the Senate subcommitees (Judiciary, Intelligence etc)? Those committees have a membership made up of one extra majority member, and where the chairman is from the Senate majority party, but if the Senate is 50-50, who chairs this committees, and who has the casting vote?
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Ossoff is now 9527 votes ahead of Perdue with all remaining votes coming in from heavily leaning Dem counties.
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Somebody on Twitter said Joe Manchin, but maybe that's a joke because he is known to be the most conservative Democrat, right? So maybe the joke is that everyone wants to court his vote.
While it's a joke, I do think that Manchin, Sinema, Kelly (AZ), Tester, Romney, Murkowski, will be quite powerful in the new 50-50 Senate.
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Ossoff now has over 12,000 more votes than Perdue.
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Ossoff now has over 12,000 more votes than Perdue.
And most of the uncounted votes are in heavily Blue areas.
Mitch Must be getting really, really, nervous.
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both of trumps candidates losing is pretty disastrous for his post presidency prospects
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Ossoff now has over 12,000 more votes than Perdue.
How many ballots can you carry in one Ossoff van?

Just wondering, because according to NYT election commentary, the Perdue campaign claim they won and will use "every available resource and exhaust every recourse to ensure all legally cast ballots are properly counted”.

Maybe GEICO should bring back those "It's what you do" commercials?
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So, I have a question

Warnock has been called, and Ossoff looks increasingly likely to win given that most of the remaining votes are from counties that run heavily D. If this does happen, that will leave the Senate 50-50 with VP Harris having the casting vote.

My question is, what happens in the Senate subcommitees (Judiciary, Intelligence etc)? Those committees have a membership made up of one extra majority member, and where the chairman is from the Senate majority party, but if the Senate is 50-50, who chairs this committees, and who has the casting vote?
The Democrats have the majority, same rules apply.
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How many ballots can you carry in one Ossoff van?

Just wondering, because according to NYT election commentary, the Perdue campaign claim they won and will use "every available resource and exhaust every recourse to ensure all legally cast ballots are properly counted”.

Maybe GEICO should bring back those "It's what you do" commercials?
(bolding mine)

Raising the question of when Ossoff will be seated.
As long as he isn't, McConnell remains "majority" leader.

(Data point: Al Franken, in 2009, was seated on July 7th, 8 months after the election.)
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