The all-new "US Politics and coronavirus" thread pt. 3

[Darat]

Originally Posted by ChrisBFRPKY

If that were true we wouldn't have wudu................

Nope, you seem to have a very strange view of religious prohibitions.

[Solitaire]

I read an article about how the COVID virus had raised the death rate
dramatically to 3.4 million. In fact, it had surged above the daily death rate
of heart disease and cancer, reaching, if I remember correctly, 3400 a couple
of times. Daily COVID deaths in compared with world wide death rates would
come in at number nine. (I wonder where they get their numbers.)


Leading Causes of Death Annually In United States

01 1774 Heart Disease
02 1641 Cancer
03 466 Accidents
04 439 Chronic Lung Disease
05 401 Stroke
06 333 Alzheimer’s
07 229 Diabetes
08 153 Influenza And Pneumonia
09 119 Kidney Disease
10 129 Suicide


Leading Causes of Death Annually In The World

01 46200 Cardiovascular
02 20500 Cancer
03 10900 Respiratory
04 8600 Perinatal
05 5850 Diarrheal
06 5525 Digestive
07 5515 AIDs
08 3960 Tuberculosis
09 3445 Traffic Accidents
10 3410 Psychiatric

[Skeptic Ginger]

Originally Posted by Solitaire

I read an article about how the COVID virus had raised the death rate
dramatically to 3.4 million. In fact, it had surged above the daily death rate
of heart disease and cancer, reaching, if I remember correctly, 3400 a couple
of times. Daily COVID deaths in compared with world wide death rates would
come in at number nine. (I wonder where they get their numbers.)

Where did you get yours?

I suspect yours are not up to date day by day.

[Captain_Swoop]

Trump Tweets

More than one million Americans have already received the China Virus Vaccine, a record pace!

[newyorkguy]

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Trump Tweets
More than one million Americans have already received the China Virus Vaccine, a record pace!

More than nineteen million Americans have caught the China trump Virus and over three hundred thirty-six thousand have died from it, a record pace!

.

[alfaniner]

I'm surprised he didn't call it the "Trump Vaccine".

[Trebuchet]

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Trump Tweets

More than one million Americans have already received the China Virus Vaccine, a record pace!

Let's see, I have a handy database spreadsheet of Worldometer data. First vaccination was Monday, 14 December. Since then, counting incomplete results from today, 2,310,819 people have caught it.`

[Resume]

From Worldometer:

Quote:

United States
Coronavirus Cases:
19,111,326
Deaths:
337,066

New Cases:
193,030
New Deaths:
2,835

[Aridas]

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Trump Tweets

More than one million Americans have already received the China Virus Vaccine, a record pace!

...Which record, exactly, I wonder? It's certainly record pace as far as COVID-19 vaccines go, not that that really mean much when it's the first time people are getting vaccinated for COVID-19.

[quadraginta]

Originally Posted by ChrisBFRPKY

Your post began as an example of a fine effort, but it ended in fallacy, unfortunate.

<snip>

Are you saying there wasn't enough information for you to grasp the reasoning for its use?

I'm a bit surprised. It isn't all that complicated.

[Captain_Swoop]

Matt Gaetz tweets

@RepMattGaetz

Hey Liberals:
Lockdowns make you look weak, not strong.
Shutting down restaurants makes you look foolish, not compassionate.
Canceling Christmas makes you a Grinch, not a leader.
You will NEVER shut down the American spirit or the American way of life.

[Resume]

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Matt Gaetz tweets

@RepMattGaetz

Hey Liberals:
Lockdowns make you look weak, not strong.
Shutting down restaurants makes you look foolish, not compassionate.
Canceling Christmas makes you a Grinch, not a leader.
You will NEVER shut down the American spirit or the American way of life.

Hey Matt:

Quote:

United States
Coronavirus Cases:
19,141,356
Deaths:
337,399

Because of people like you, **** face.

[Solitaire]

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

Where did you get yours?

I got the information from a link in the forum a while back.

Average Daily Causes Of Death In USA by Barry Ritholtz

Live World Death totals

Quote:

I suspect yours are not up to date day by day.

No one can do that because the mechanism does not exist at present.
I doubt that for most of these you cannot even find monthly statistics.

P. S. It's possible they got them from the CDC and WHO,
but I just don't remember.

[Skeptic Ginger]

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Matt Gaetz tweets

@RepMattGaetz

Hey Liberals:
Lockdowns make you look weak, not strong.
Shutting down restaurants makes you look foolish, not compassionate.
Canceling Christmas makes you a Grinch, not a leader.
You will NEVER shut down the American spirit or the American way of life.

[catsmate]

Originally Posted by ChrisBFRPKY

This is terrible. Muslims actually believe if one drop of blood from a pig touches them, they're bound for Hell with no chance to enter Mecca. This will undoubtedly lead to mass rejection of the vaccine in the Middle East. Accidental oversight by vaccine mfgs? Surely nobody's that dumb.

Bollocks. You are, as usual, spouting pathetic, ignorant nonsense.

[catsmate]

Originally Posted by ChrisBFRPKY

Is it really your intention to argue for pro-pork Muslims?

A rather pathetic attempt to divert attention from your errors of fact....

[catsmate]

Originally Posted by Darat

No they don't.

Since when does a Trumpette care about facts?

Originally Posted by The Don

It seems that the US now has one third of a million deaths from Covid-19. I know that President Trump and the GOP will insist that this shows how brilliantly the Trump Administration has responded to the pandemic because everyone was saying that at least two million would die (if absolutely noting was done) but by any reasonable standard that's a shocking number - not least because the deaths are increasing rapidly and even at the current rate, 100k a month are being added to that sad statistic.

I hope that Joe Biden will be able to influential in changing things around but AIUI, although he can set the national tone, the states themselves are responsible for managing their own response so that Texas and South Dakota can continue to proudly fumble the ball.

The Trumpettes are desperate to avoid people noticing that the Tantrump is presiding over a 9-11 level death toll daily, and more deaths than the Great Warm Korean and the US meddling in Vietnam in total.
By the time Trump is turfed out in January the US death toll will probably have exceeded World War 2.

[Resume]

From Worldometer:

Quote:

United States
Coronavirus Cases:
19,210,166
Deaths:
338,263

New Cases:
98,840
New Deaths:
1,197

[Trebuchet]

Originally Posted by catsmate

Bollocks. You are, as usual, spouting pathetic, ignorant nonsense.

Originally Posted by Resume

From Worldometer:

Reduced reporting on Christmas day, of course. It'll catch up. As always, running averages are more meaningful. Currently 2367 daily deaths and 185,182 daily new cases by my calculation.

[Captain_Swoop]

Trump Tweets

The lockdowns in Democrat run states are absolutely ruining the lives of so many people - Far more than the damage that would be caused by the China Virus. Cases in California have risen despite the lockdown, yet Florida & others are open & doing well. Common sense please!

[Skeptic Ginger]

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Trump Tweets

The lockdowns in Democrat run states are absolutely ruining the lives of so many people - Far more than the damage that would be caused by the China Virus. Cases in California have risen despite the lockdown, yet Florida & others are open & doing well. Common sense please!

So he thinks if CA opens up the virus will stop filling up the hospitals?

I think this is (among many things) a rationalization as to why his holding up the relief bill won't the cause of people's financial bad times.

Makes me wonder just how FL is doing.

Lindsay Graham is apparently at Mar-a-Lago having a great time kissing Trump's ass. I really wonder what his motives are. Maybe he's one of those people that drank the Koolaid.

[Resume]

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Trump Tweets

The lockdowns in Democrat run states are absolutely ruining the lives of so many people - Far more than the damage that would be caused by the China Virus. Cases in California have risen despite the lockdown, yet Florida & others are open & doing well. Common sense please!

WTF?

[Trebuchet]

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Trump Tweets

The lockdowns in Democrat run states are absolutely ruining the lives of so many people - Far more than the damage that would be caused by the China Virus. Cases in California have risen despite the lockdown, yet Florida & others are open & doing well. Common sense please!

Cases per million population, California: 52,931
Cases per million population, Florida: 58, 879

Deaths per million population, California: 609
Deaths per million population, Florida: 984

Source: Worldometer, at this moment.

The Trumpist Utopias of North and South Dakota continue to hold big leads in cases per million.

[Segnosaur]

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

Quote:

Trump Tweets

The lockdowns in Democrat run states are absolutely ruining the lives of so many people - Far more than the damage that would be caused by the China Virus. Cases in California have risen despite the lockdown, yet Florida & others are open & doing well. Common sense please!

So he thinks if CA opens up the virus will stop filling up the hospitals?

If he was engaging in any sort of rational thought, he might be thinking "California locked down and they had a lot of Corona deaths anyways, so might as well open it up."

Quote:

Makes me wonder just how FL is doing.

From: Statista

Covid Deaths per 100,000 people (as of Dec22):
Florida: 96 (putting them in the top 20 states)
California: 58 (putting them in the bottom 20 states)
California may have more total deaths, but they also have a lot more population.

Now, it is true that California seems to be having a spike of cases, whereas Florida is flat (or growing slowly). But in the month of December, Florida never had less than 74 total deaths. California's death rate seems to fluctuate much more wildly, but there were days in when they had as few as 61 deaths (despite having roughly twice the population).

Also from: Politico
In Los Angeles, officials have said all along that people were gathering too often. They blamed celebrations and postseason viewing parties when the Dodgers and Lakers won championships this fall....Others have said congregant settings remain a severe concern in a housing-constrained state, especially in low-income communities...The state hasn't employed strict enforcement...But it has no real hammer against people gathering or engaging in everyday social activities, and many local law enforcement agencies have made a point of declaring they will not become the stay-at-home police.

So California is technically under lockdown, but it is a lockdown that is not fully enforced.

[newyorkguy]

As usual, idiot trump picked a VERY bad time to attack California officials. From today's Times of San Diego detailing why California's new cases may be spiking. It's scary news:

Quote:

Public health officials in Los Angeles County have begun testing patients for a new, more contagious strain of the coronavirus that’s being reported in Europe. Public Health Director Barbara Ferrer said a local laboratory is doing gene sequencing to test virus samples collected in L.A. County, but it will take about a week to finish the process, the Los Angeles Times reported Friday.

The new variant was first reported in Great Britain, which has instituted tougher lockdown rules over the past week, but has also been reported in France. It is said to be far more contagious than the original strain of the virus, but has not been found to be more deadly. Local officials are concerned that if the new strain is already present in Southern California, it could be behind some of the explosive growth in COVID-19 cases seen since the Thanksgiving holiday period. “This happened devastatingly quickly. Everybody I talked to said this acceleration was beyond any model and any expectation, so then people say `What broke down?’ and I’ve got to think it’s partly the strain that was out there,” Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti told the Times on Wednesday. Times of San Diego article

Now comparing California with Florida (new cases), while overall California seems to have managed this public health crisis much better than has Florida, the Sunshine State has not seen the same spike in cases this month as has the Golden State. But the problem is, as has been widely documented, one can't trust Florida's figures. So you really don't know.

[Craig4]

Originally Posted by ChrisBFRPKY

This is terrible. Muslims actually believe if one drop of blood from a pig touches them, they're bound for Hell with no chance to enter Mecca. This will undoubtedly lead to mass rejection of the vaccine in the Middle East. Accidental oversight by vaccine mfgs? Surely nobody's that dumb.

Have you ever met a Muslim? That's so screwed up it's not even wrong. It's like it's like 2+2 equals fish territory. Spend less time imitating the mating calls of imaginary creatures and do some travel, would you?

[Minoosh]

Originally Posted by Craig4

Have you ever met a Muslim? That's so screwed up it's not even wrong. It's like it's like 2+2 equals fish territory. Spend less time imitating the mating calls of imaginary creatures and do some travel, would you?

I knew a Muslim who thought eating lard was OK. I did not have a chance to ask him about the reasoning for this.

I had thought gelatin was extracted from bones and hooves, therefore not flesh; but Wiki says "collagen," which is a broader category.

[Trebuchet]

Originally Posted by Craig4

Have you ever met a Muslim?

Clearly he hasn't. But he's seen Bigfoot.

[Craig4]

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

So he thinks if CA opens up the virus will stop filling up the hospitals?

I think this is (among many things) a rationalization as to why his holding up the relief bill won't the cause of people's financial bad times.

Makes me wonder just how FL is doing.

Lindsay Graham is apparently at Mar-a-Lago having a great time kissing Trump's ass. I really wonder what his motives are. Maybe he's one of those people that drank the Koolaid.

I've always assumed blackmail.

[Resume]

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

So he thinks if CA opens up the virus will stop filling up the hospitals?

I think this is (among many things) a rationalization as to why his holding up the relief bill won't the cause of people's financial bad times.

Makes me wonder just how FL is doing.

Lindsay Graham is apparently at Mar-a-Lago having a great time kissing Trump's ass. I really wonder what his motives are. Maybe he's one of those people that drank the Koolaid.

Third worse in the nation behind CA and TX, according to Worldometer today.

Quote:

Florida
Total Cases: 1,264,588
New Cases:6,392
Total Deaths:21,135
New Deaths: 140

And those are assuming Florida and DeSantis aren't fudging things.

[Trebuchet]

Originally Posted by Resume

Third worse in the nation behind CA and TX, according to Worldometer today.


And those are assuming Florida and DeSantis aren't fudging things.

DeSantis Spokesperson:

Quote:

I'm wondering since 99%. Of Covid Patients survive shouldn't you have 99 photos of survivors for every one fatality? Otherwise you're just trying to create a narrative that is not reality.

(I had to type that in but it's accurate.)

Coward then deleted his Twitter account.

I expect he's still on Parler, however.

[Resume]

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

DeSantis Spokesperson:

(I had to type that in but it's accurate.)

Coward then deleted his Twitter account.

I expect he's still on Parler, however.

I wish one of these cowards would suggest something like that with 9/11 victims. See how that works out for them. How is history going to describe these anti-mask/vaxers, these covid deniers, these death-diminishers? **** them, I hope, but a third of American might fall into this category.

[Resume]

From Worldometer:

Quote:

United States
Coronavirus Cases:
19,433,847
Deaths:
339,921

New Cases:
160,604
New Deaths:
1,408

[EHocking]

Originally Posted by Minoosh

I knew a Muslim who thought eating lard was OK. I did not have a chance to ask him about the reasoning for this.

I had thought gelatin was extracted from bones and hooves, therefore not flesh; but Wiki says "collagen," which is a broader category.

But still not, technically, flesh. So if your Muslim friend reasoned “no pork flesh”, he’d be technically correct (which all denizens of ISF kno is the best kind of correct).

[Blue Mountain]

California's population is 4% greater than all of Canada.

As of December 23, the 7 day average of new infections in Canada was 6,675, while in California it was an astonishing 44,782—571% greater than Canada. (Canada did not release numbers for December 24, 25, or 26.)

As of the same date, the seven day average of daily new deaths in Canada was 114, while California's was 215; 120% greater than Canada's.

Assuming that deaths lag infections by a month (two weeks to incubate, then two weeks of illness before recovery or death,) I checked the seven day average of daily new infections ("7DA/DNI") for both locales on November 23. In Canada it was 5,052, for an estimated case fatality rate of 2.26%. California's number was 12,722, which makes an estimated CFR of 1.97%. For California, the good news is the CFR is slightly better. The bad news is January's going to be bad. Very bad.

And these numbers are for a virus that supposedly flourishes in the cold and dislikes warmer temperatures.

Just what is California doing wrong? Looking at the Worldometer graphs, they had their act together until the start of November, when case counts started to climb. The American Thanksgiving seems to be part of it, because the case count slope steepened starting December 1. But even then it was worse than Canada's. On December 1, The 7DA/DNI was 5,861 in CA, 14,974 in CA. (Err, 5,861 in Canada, 14,974 in California. Abbreviations can be ambiguous.)

[thaiboxerken]

Originally Posted by Meadmaker

If Biden doesn't do better, I want my money back.

Sadly, I think Biden may not.

Only because Republicans will do their best to ensure Biden fails.

[thaiboxerken]

Republicans think mask mandates and lockdowns make America look weak. It's my opinion that over 3K deaths a day and over 160K infections a day is proof that Republican governance is weak.

[Trebuchet]

Originally Posted by thaiboxerken

Republicans think mask mandates and lockdowns make America look weak. It's my opinion that over 3K deaths a day and over 160K infections a day is proof that Republican governance is weak.

Former Wisconsin governor Scott Walker isn't going to look weak! He boldly went out for pizza, in support of a local restaurant. And posted a picture.

Funny how that pizza is identical to the one he posted about in 2019. But hey, he's a Republican, he wouldn't lie to us!

[Skeptic Ginger]

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

Former Wisconsin governor Scott Walker isn't going to look weak! He boldly went out for pizza, in support of a local restaurant. And posted a picture.

Funny how that pizza is identical to the one he posted about in 2019. But hey, he's a Republican, he wouldn't lie to us!

So stupid they don't think they will get caught.

[dudalb]

"The Covid is a Globalist Plot to Destroy the US Economy and Trun the US Communist" seems to be the response of the Trumpers to any news about the virus.