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Old 22nd August 2018, 01:57 PM   #1
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Zinke: "You haven't served!"

Lest we forget that other members of the current administration are less than ideal:

Protester Confronts Zinke On Climate Change, He Snaps: ĎYou Havenít Servedí

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Local protester Sallie Holmes stood up during a speech by Zinke, calling out: ďWhy wonít you acknowledge that climate change is causing and accelerating wildfires, even in Routt County?Ē

Steamboat Springs is located in Routt County in western Colorado, where officials have been battling fires.

Holmes, 27, was immediately escorted out by security as the crowd booed. Zinke angrily shouted: ďYou know what? You havenít served and you donít understand what energy is. Iíd like to see your child have to fight for energy.Ē
What, non-Veterans can't possibly know anything useful?



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Old 22nd August 2018, 02:05 PM   #2
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Best guess... it was a poorly worded reference to "serving in public office".

And didn't he just get spanked this week for trying to sell off some land (Utah?) that Trump had shaved off an NPS site... after stating he'd never sell off public lands?

What a mook.
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Old 22nd August 2018, 03:28 PM   #3
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I think Zinke days as Sec.Interior are probably numbered;he is just saying and doing too many dumb things. He's becoming a liability. He will be replaced with somebody who can continue his horrid policies but with a much lower profile.
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Old 22nd August 2018, 03:35 PM   #4
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
I think Zinke days as Sec.Interior are probably numbered;he is just saying and doing too many dumb things. He's becoming a liability. He will be replaced with somebody who can continue his horrid policies but with a much lower profile.
I don't think saying and doing too many dumb things is a deal breaker for this administration.
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Old 22nd August 2018, 03:37 PM   #5
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
He's becoming a liability. He will be replaced with somebody who can continue his horrid policies but with a much lower profile.
This is becoming a familiar tune. First with Pruitt and ending possibly with Trump, leaving us with Spence? yuck
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Old 22nd August 2018, 03:54 PM   #6
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This is becoming a familiar tune. First with Pruitt and ending possibly with Trump, leaving us with Spence? yuck
I know. The only downside to Trump being gone is Spence becoming president. We trade a lying, immoral, loud mouthed criminal for a religious zealot who kissed the backside of a lying, cheating, loud mouthed criminal.
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Old 22nd August 2018, 04:01 PM   #7
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Originally Posted by Jim_MDP View Post
Best guess... it was a poorly worded reference to "serving in public office".

And didn't he just get spanked this week for trying to sell off some land (Utah?) that Trump had shaved off an NPS site... after stating he'd never sell off public lands?

What a mook.
Does serving in public office bequeath one with bonus information (and possibly information withheld from the public) about climate change?
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I know. The only downside to Trump being gone is Spence becoming president. We trade a lying, immoral, loud mouthed criminal for a religious zealot who kissed the backside of a lying, cheating, loud mouthed criminal.
Mussolini replaced by Heydrich.
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Originally Posted by C_Felix View Post
Does serving in public office bequeath one with bonus information (and possibly information withheld from the public) about climate change?
No.
But it puts one in a good position to profit from the controversy.
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Who's Spence?
Smike Spence, a sentient glob of mayonnaise, cosplaying as Johnny Quest's Race Bannon.
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"I was a SEAL, so therefore I know all about the climate!". That's pretty much his entire argument, right? What a maroon.

It just amazes me that you USAians still have this warrior-cult going.

The rest of the world dropped this BS like 1000 years ago. At least.
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Old 23rd August 2018, 05:30 AM   #13
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Mussolini replaced by Heydrich.
That is chilling.
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Old 23rd August 2018, 07:16 AM   #14
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Originally Posted by Jim_MDP View Post
Best guess... it was a poorly worded reference to "serving in public office".(
I think that is unlikely. Zinke bases his image very very strongly on his service as a SEAL. He has a personal flag flown the roof on Interior Main when he is in the building, which I gather is something that military base commanders also do, but which, prior to Zinke, was not done with civilian departments.

Obviously, I am not psychic, I can't really know what was going on in his head. But based on his record, I think is is very likely he was referring to military service.

ETA: The flag thing: President Trump's Interior Secretary Makes His Staff Raise a Special Flag When He's Around

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Zinke has revived an obscure military tradition, according to the Washington Post, that involves staffers raising and lowering a special secretarial flag whenever he enters or leaves the building.

The flag, which features the Interior Department’s bison seal on a blue banner with seven white stars for the agency’s bureaus, flies over the building whenever Zinke is present. If only Deputy Secretary David Bernhardt is in the office, a different flag is flown, according to the Post.
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The personal flags do have a long military history, and marking an official’s presence is still done in the military, but that has not carried over to government employees in the past.

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Old 23rd August 2018, 07:33 AM   #15
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Do what the military tells you at all times. If they decide something don’t question it with your science and logic.
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Old 23rd August 2018, 08:31 AM   #16
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Originally Posted by Jim_MDP View Post
Best guess... it was a poorly worded reference to "serving in public office".
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No, he meant in uniform. Zinke was a Navy SEAL commander and sees that fact as his trump card in policy debates and pretty much everywhere else.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_Zinke

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Old 23rd August 2018, 08:47 AM   #17
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I think Zinke days as Sec.Interior are probably numbered;he is just saying and doing too many dumb things. He's becoming a liability. He will be replaced with somebody who can continue his horrid policies but with a much lower profile.
Not now, the administration needs a better scandal to distract from 16 felony convictions this week.
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No, he meant in uniform. Zinke was a Navy SEAL commander and sees that fact as his trump card in policy debates and pretty much everywhere else.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_Zinke
It even makes him a real geologist.(he is not a real geologist)
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To me, I see military service as a character flaw.
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No, he meant in uniform. Zinke was a Navy SEAL commander and sees that fact as his trump card in policy debates and pretty much everywhere else.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_Zinke
I think he is overplaying his career just a tad. Looks despite his early track record he had something (besides the one financial impropriety) holding him back from making O-6.
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No, he meant in uniform. Zinke was a Navy SEAL commander and sees that fact as his trump card in policy debates and pretty much everywhere else.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_Zinke
Or maybe ...

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Protester Confronts Zinke On Climate Change, He Snaps: "You Haven’t Served..."

"the rest of our meal!" It's so hard to get good waitstaff these days.
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Originally Posted by Lambchops View Post
"I was a SEAL, so therefore I know all about the climate!". That's pretty much his entire argument, right? What a maroon.

It just amazes me that you USAians still have this warrior-cult going.

The rest of the world dropped this BS like 1000 years ago. At least.
Norway could have used some "warriors" back in 1940.
And quite a few European countries still have a "warrior cult " thing going.
Zinke is an idiot,but so it blind hatred of all things Military.
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I think that is unlikely. Zinke bases his image very very strongly on his service as a SEAL. He has a personal flag flown the roof on Interior Main when he is in the building, which I gather is something that military base commanders also do, but which, prior to Zinke, was not done with civilian departments.

Obviously, I am not psychic, I can't really know what was going on in his head. But based on his record, I think is is very likely he was referring to military service.

ETA: The flag thing: President Trump's Interior Secretary Makes His Staff Raise a Special Flag When He's Around
It is an old tradition for a general or admiral to fly his flag from the building or ship where he commands ( or in the navy, whenever he is on a ship) but I have never heard of a retired officer do it when he holds civilian office.
Zinke ,btw, was not parituclarly well liked in the SEAL community, considered to be a burueacrat rather then a actual combat commander.
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To me, I see military service as a character flaw.
Itís only a problem when people donít understand the place and role of military service. Note the word service. The military serves the nation and its people. As soon as you start to turn that around and decide itís the nation that serves the military you have a problem. When you get people like Zinke who think they are owed special privilege because they were in the military you are approaching this. Indeed when you get and expectation of special deference to the military or ex-military you approach this
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It’s only a problem when people don’t understand the place and role of military service. Note the word service. The military serves the nation and its people. As soon as you start to turn that around and decide it’s the nation that serves the military you have a problem. When you get people like Zinke who think they are owed special privilege because they were in the military you are approaching this. Indeed when you get and expectation of special deference to the military or ex-military you approach this
This is the problem I foresee with post-9/11 patriotic fervor. I'm happy to get a discount at Home Depot, but I don't want it to be an expectation.

I always had wondered that with police and the discounts restaurants often give. When it becomes an expectation, what happens to those that don't bequeath the honor, as is their right in a free country? This of course comes right back around to football players and the flag.
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It is an old tradition for a general or admiral to fly his flag from the building or ship where he commands ( or in the navy, whenever he is on a ship) but I have never heard of a retired officer do it when he holds civilian office.
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It reflects his fantasy that he continues to see himself as a military officer -- with all the authority and deference that accompanies that role -- rather than as a civilian bureaucrat hired to do a job for the American people.
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Itís only a problem when people donít understand the place and role of military service. Note the word service. The military serves the nation and its people. As soon as you start to turn that around and decide itís the nation that serves the military you have a problem. When you get people like Zinke who think they are owed special privilege because they were in the military you are approaching this. Indeed when you get and expectation of special deference to the military or ex-military you approach this
The underlying problem is that so few Americans have any real contact with the military. From 1941 until 1973, the U.S. had a military draft. Not everybody served, but everybody had relatives, friends, classmates and neighbors who served. Everyone had an immediate interest in military policy and affairs. And all those people who actually served in the military, particularly the draftees, came home with inside knowledge of how the military worked, and real skepticism about some of its activities.

Today, one commentator said you would have to knock on 150 random doors to find a house where somebody was in the military. For most of us, the military is a foreign country. We say "Thank you for your service," and under our breath we say "Glad it's not me!" People who join the military are a self-selected group, mostly aspiring working-class, that stands apart from most Americans.

It's inconceivable that we would have gone to war in Iraq and Afghanistan or would be as overextended as we are around the world if there was a military draft today, and rich kids were getting pulled out of Ivy League colleges and shipped to the Sandbox -- and coming home in boxes.
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The underlying problem is that so few Americans have any real contact with the military. From 1941 until 1973, the U.S. had a military draft. Not everybody served, but everybody had relatives, friends, classmates and neighbors who served. Everyone had an immediate interest in military policy and affairs. And all those people who actually served in the military, particularly the draftees, came home with inside knowledge of how the military worked, and real skepticism about some of its activities.

Today, one commentator said you would have to knock on 150 random doors to find a house where somebody was in the military. For most of us, the military is a foreign country. We say "Thank you for your service," and under our breath we say "Glad it's not me!" People who join the military are a self-selected group, mostly aspiring working-class, that stands apart from most Americans.

It's inconceivable that we would have gone to war in Iraq and Afghanistan or would be as overextended as we are around the world if there was a military draft today, and rich kids were getting pulled out of Ivy League colleges and shipped to the Sandbox -- and coming home in boxes.
You think here would not have been huge support for going to Afghansitan after 9/11, givne that Al Qaida was based there?
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It's inconceivable that we would have gone to war in Iraq and Afghanistan or would be as overextended as we are around the world if there was a military draft today, and rich kids were getting pulled out of Ivy League colleges and shipped to the Sandbox -- and coming home in boxes.
We ancient ones said the same thing about the draft and Vietnam. There's even a famous song about this.
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You think here would not have been huge support for going to Afghansitan after 9/11, givne that Al Qaida was based there?

There would have been universal support for massive military action -- bigger than we actually undertook -- to blow up Tora Bora and crush the Taliban. That might have taken a month. Our mistake was sticking around for -- what, 16 years now? -- to "build democracy," and we're no closer now than then.
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We ancient ones said the same thing about the draft and Vietnam. There's even a famous song about this.

Well, actually, the biggest, loudest protests against the war started after draft numbers increased and deferments started getting canceled. One of Nixon's first actions was to start cutting the number of troops in Vietnam. (But he left plenty to keep getting killed, but that's a different story.)


Maybe Country Joe & the Fish "I Feel Like I'm Fixin' to Die Rag?"
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To me, I see military service as a character flaw.
Well obviously you would. Your immoral, base, vile philosophy can't envision anything larger than yourself. There are some people from whom such an assessment is a compliment.
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and rich kids were getting pulled out of Ivy League colleges and shipped to the Sandbox -- and coming home in boxes.
Only the rich kids who could not pretext a bone spur to escape their military duty.
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Well obviously you would. Your immoral, base, vile philosophy can't envision anything larger than yourself. There are some people from whom such an assessment is a compliment.
I know the kind of people in the military. You shouldn't associate with them.
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I know the kind of people in the military. You shouldn't associate with them.
I know the kind of people who make statements like this. Nobody should associate with them.
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I know the kind of people who make statements like this. Nobody should associate with them.
Between my statement and yours, that is two knocks against me for reasons not to associate with me.
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Old 24th August 2018, 08:55 AM   #37
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
Between my statement and yours, that is two knocks against me for reasons not to associate with me.
I come from a military family. I've had many military friends. Your comment was as offensive as it was ignorant.

ETA: and no, membership in a group does not give you the right to condemn everyone in it.
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Originally Posted by TragicMonkey View Post
I come from a military family. I've had many military friends. Your comment was as offensive as it was ignorant.

ETA: and no, membership in a group does not give you the right to condemn everyone in it.
Everyone has a right to condemn everyone in a group regardless of membership.

ETA: but I'm thinking you missed the humor in my post. It is a play on the groucho Marx phrase I wouldn't want to belong to a group that would have me as a member.

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There would have been universal support for massive military action -- bigger than we actually undertook -- to blow up Tora Bora and crush the Taliban. That might have taken a month. Our mistake was sticking around for -- what, 16 years now? -- to "build democracy," and we're no closer now than then.
ANd right after we blew up Tora Bora, the Taliaban and al Qaida would have moved right back in.
I agree that trying to build democracy in Afghanistans is a fool's errand, but I support the presence of US troops for one reason:It keeps Islmaic Extremists from getting back in.
The struggle with Radical Islam is a long term stuggle, much like the Cold War.
One thing I blame the Bush Administration for is not making this clear to the American people and promising a quick victory.
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Originally Posted by TragicMonkey View Post
I know the kind of people who make statements like this. Nobody should associate with them.
As someone who served in the US Army I can safely say the most people in the US Military would not like to associate with Bob The Coward.
What I dislike about him is he is trying to make a vice...cowardice..somehow a virtue. That is sick.
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